The pricing tier you suggested. It's going to be that soon, and when it does I want to hear you say it's a mistake on Apple's part to do that.
So you expect people to pay $100 for an additional 32 GB ( buying the 64 GB) when they buy the 6S?
Yet those who bought the 64 GB iPhone 6 got 48 GB for $100?
So now instead of screwing the 16 GB buyers you are screwing the 64 GB and 128 GB users! With your price structure the 64/128 users are paying more per GB than last year! Tell me when in Apples history with the phone have they done that!
Thats your problem. You are only looking at this through the perspective of a 16GB buyer but are totally ignoring the 64/128 GB. So now you are going to FURTHER screw the consumers who are buying the most expensive models that have the highest margin! You my friend have no idea how to run a business.
So I ask again what should be the pricing tiers. Your 'solution' of charging more per GB for the top two tiers would be a total disaster. Get a better solution. You obviously didnt think this one through.
There was no 128GB model last year and the 64GB user paid less this year, or if they paid the same the either got an extra 64GB or they got the iPhone 6 Plus. How is Apple not losing money?
He said it was a STANDARD marketing practice, not a REQUIREMENT. Besides not understanding the good, better, best model you are also arguing for the one year in which Apple clearly made a lot of mistakes with selling the iPhone. From starting at a storage level customers felt was too low, to not having a 3rd tier (although price or NAND availability may have been an issue), to the high price, to the profit sharing model there were many missteps… but you can go ahead and blame that on Cook even though Jobs was CEO.
You seem to enjoy trying to predict what I am going to say. Maybe that is your problem you are trying to read peoples minds and I am just responding to what they post taking it at face value. Also based on previous threads Sog tends to believe that if something is bigger then it's the premium device.
So under his rule of thumb the iPad Mini should never be as powerful as the iPad Air or have all the same features because it's smaller. So yeah I really take what he says at face value.
Sears, Roebuck was the big user of the Good, Better, Best marketing and we see how well that has worked out for them. When storage is the only difference between the iPhone it doesn't really fall under the good, better, best model. If someone buys a 16GB they have actually paid the highest premium per GB of storage.
See it's just all marketing, someone said Apple never forces people to buy the higher storage, they have never seen an Apple employee try to up sell. That is all true because the concept is perfect because the customer does all the work. This is psychology 101. The customer will justify that 100.00 in two years is nothing or if they finance hell and extra 4.17 is nothing when it comes to a monthly payment over 24 months.
Makes it even better that it's a 4x jump in storage instead of just double the storage.
in fact I made the comment that Apple should simply get rid of 16GB only offer 64 and 128GB and keep the 64GB price point. That is simply my opinion, I haven't sent an email to Tim Cook suggesting this recommendation. I could care less if Apple is greedy that is someone else's argument. I'm a fan of Capitalism.
If you have an argument as to why you think two tiers will be better for Apple I haven't seen it. Saying they should do blah blah isn't an argument, you need to post a detailed why to show that three-tiers aren't working and how two-tiers would work better.
Okay let me make myself clear 16GB is enough for someone that isn't taking advantage of the device they have bought. A example for many years computers keep getting faster processors, faster ram yet still using 5400rpm HDD. It was the bottleneck. I see the same issue with someone using an iPhone with 16GB.
Not the same situation since you're talking about a bottleneck on performance v a bottleneck on capacity. However, if you wanted to show that for an SSD v HDD for PC buyer you had many years of customers going different ways because of capacity and performance capacity, weighed against cost.
Do you believe that people will stop buying iPhone's if Apple simply discontinued the 16GB model? Apple has discontinued storage options before without any problems. I have not said anything about Apple being greedy, Apple changing price points, simply that 16GB is outdated.
So I say, "No, there will be some iPhone sales" to your silly blanket question and you'll use that to say, "See, Apple won't lose any customers and everyone will be more happy" or some shit. Why can't you write a decent argument?
You know kind of like Apple calling something a Macbook "PRO" with 4GB of Ram and a 5400rpm HDD and a 1280x800 resolution. So it's not like we can't say Apple sometimes has a habit of letting things get a bit long in the tooth.
Those sentences amount to nothing.
Next I am not writing stupid shit you are just too <span style="line-height:1.4em;">stupid to comprehend what I am writing. I also find it funny that you take this so seriously that you start with the personal attacks. You're a joke and you make me laugh. Maybe you need another break from the forum or some couch time. </span>
Says the one that just called me stupid, whereas I called your comments stupid.
You type out stupid shit and then try to back pedal when I point out really simple facts like three tiers was never a standard at first and then you try to justify something having a meaning other then what was written.
Backpedaling b backing up everything I write. How exactly does that work?
See it's just all marketing, someone said Apple never forces people to buy the higher storage, they have never seen an Apple employee try to up sell.
Starting off with the old troll troupe. "Apple is just good at marketing," then moved right into a comment about a sales rep suggesting a higher capacity device as forcing the customer. You should really take that to the better business bureau. Also, I'd like to see some proof that customers are in any way being uphold to a higher capacity devices by Apple Store employees when they state use case that don't require higher capacities. I'd bet if you walked into an Apple Store today and said "I want to buy the entry level MacBook." they would not try to up-sell you the model with the faster CPU or larger SSD.
So you want to totally get rid of the $199 tier? Are you serious!
So iPhones will start at $299 for the 64 GB iphone 6S. But no $199 model? Are you out of your friken mind! So your idea is to allow Samsung/HTC/Xiami/ect to have free reign at the $199 price point? Flatout stupid and idiotic.
So instead of giving people a CHOICE of choosing the 16GB model (which works for literally TENS of MILLIONS of people) you want Apple to get rid of the 16GB model and have no $199 tier? What!
So instead of giving people a CHOICE to choose between 3 tiers and 3 price points you want to give them only two choices. Flatout stupidity. Dumbest thing I've read all day. all year actually.
It's only 199.00 tier if you do a 2 year agreement. Didn't ATT get rid of that option? Isn't that an issue in other countries because they aren't big into 2 year contract?
Verizon is trying to push people to EDGE getting them to finance the full price of the phone to get lower monthly rates. On the Apple Store the two year contract with ATT is no longer an option, I would argue we are moving way from two subsidized contracts. Isn't this the reason why Apple decided to try the 5C a lower price point for customers that pay full price?
Also aren't you the guy always saying to people if you can't afford it then go by a cheap Android phone? Yeah I'm fairly certain that's you.
Starting off with the old troll troupe. "Apple is just good at marketing," then moved right into a comment about a sales rep suggesting a higher capacity device as forcing the customer. You should really take that to the better business bureau. Also, I'd like to see some proof that customers are in any way being uphold to a higher capacity devices by Apple Store employees when they state use case that don't require higher capacities. I'd bet if you walked into an Apple Store today and said "I want to buy the entry level MacBook." they would not try to up-sell you the model with the faster CPU or larger SSD.
I guess we are in for a long night. Okay again I never said Apple is "just" good at marketing. Since when it marketing not important? They are good at marketing not "just" good at marketing. The forcing comment was made by another member, saying he never saw Apple try to force something to buy higher storage. Again attempting to read my mind.
It's hard for me to even comment on this post you are so far off the charts. Customers are not being uphold to higher capacity devices by Apple employees, they are buying higher capacity devices because 16GB is not enough. Well if you about 10 years old it's enough. No if you want to buy an entry level Macbook then it should at least be a Macbook that doesn't have 2005 specs. You know lets go crazy and give them a good experience by maybe dropping the 5400rpm HDD and given 128 sold state. How about a resolution higher then 1280x800 so pictures at least look decent on it.
Seeing this most likely a new Apple customer that you want to become a life long customer giving them a system with a better experience is simply good business. I assume you understand the above concept.
I guess we are in for a long night. Okay again I never said Apple is "just" good at marketing. Since when it marketing not important? They are good at marketing not "just" good at marketing. The forcing comment was made by another member, saying he never saw Apple try to force something to buy higher storage. Again attempting to read my mind.
It's hard for me to even comment on this post you are so far off the charts. Customers are not being uphold to higher capacity devices by Apple employees, they are buying higher capacity devices because 16GB is not enough. Well if you about 10 years old it's enough. No if you want to buy an entry level Macbook then it should at least be a Macbook that doesn't have 2005 specs. You know lets go crazy and give them a good experience by maybe dropping the 5400rpm HDD and given 128 sold state. How about a resolution higher then 1280x800 so pictures at least look decent on it.
Seeing this most likely a new Apple customer that you want to become a life long customer giving them a system with a better experience is simply good business. I assume you understand the above concept.
16GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tiers. 64GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tier. Even 128GB is too low for some users and yet you aren't saying that the minimum capacity should be the maximum needed for all and yet that IS what your arguing with your stupid comments asserting 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit your needs and you don't want to pay for a higher tier. Stop acting so damn entitled! Apple will increase the first tier capacity when it beat suits their needs as a company, which includes, but not limited to, NAND availability, NAND costs, and user needs.
It doesn't matter. You are still getting rid of a whole segment of iPhone buyers.
You are making no iPhones for $650 unsubsidized price level but are starting it at $750.
Do you seriously want Apple to concede an ENTIRE PRICE LEVEL to Samsung/Android?
You seriously want to get RID OF AN ENTIRE price LEVEL that Apple has been extremely successful with? Really? Thats your solution?
Your solution is LESS CHOICE?
Has Apple ever lost customers because they decided to drop a storage option? Having 16GB these days is just going to annoy someone. Again my opinion.
A 64GB Galaxy S6 is only 50.00 cheaper then an iPhone 6 with the same storage. The Note 4 doesn't even have a 64GB option unlike the iPhone 6 Plus. I don't view microSD as a good storage option.
Looking over the Android phone price points you could be right losing that price point might not be a good idea. Either that or up the 16gb to 32gb to directly compete with their storage options. However I know how well that idea has gone over in this thread.
Not sure I understand the heated debate over something only Apple knows but there are some obvious things not mentioned. Many people would buy much more than 16 GB if they could afford it. But, for a lot of folks, it's more important to have an Apple iPhone than the most logical storage if they cannot more. It is hard to believe many people actually only have need of 16 Gb when buying an iPhone 6 Plus. This is a phone that is almost impossible not to use as a tablet. It is far more useful for that purpose than any tablet I've ever owned (other than Apple tablets.) If using the many tablet features that the iPhone 6 Plus makes easy, it's likely most users would benefit from more than 16 GB. I really can't imagine a scenario where a 6 Plus is useful with only 16 GB. The other factor that does make Apple look a little "greedy" is the inability to us a storage card. In fact the trend in phones is to copy Apple and increase profits by eliminating storage cards in many other phones. The ultimate purpose of this is to force the user to buy a much more expensive phone with adequate storage. That doesn't make Apple criminal, just not good PR I would guess. I hear many friends complain about this and the unique hardware and cables that only work with Apple products and sometimes only for specific models. These cables, etc., seem to be frequently changed which makes for a more expensive product and more inconvenience. For myself, I would probably pay whatever Apple asked for 256 GB or more in the iPhone 6 Plus. But, where Apple really seems to have slacked is the problems not being addressed. the apps that crash in my iPhone 6 Plus are unacceptable. These crashes do not occur in the same app on my old iPhone 4S. There are also people with new iPhones that constantly shut down or restart and I cannot find any solution suggested by Apple. The iOS 8.3 update made problems with my WiFi connection and I see little new in the update. I have Apple Care and although the techs are all extremely polite, the lack of information is amazing. Every question I have ever asked required the tech to put me on hold to research the question and the answers are different every time I call. The only solution the last tech reluctantly told me to try was resetting the iPhone and restoring everything from my backup. That's a time consuming process for a fix that might work. Just the backup process itself leaves a lot to be desired. The lack of control over what gets backed up and even worse, the lack of control over what is restored is just absurd. A backup should be something free to use at will, not a take it or leave it business. The complaints about iCloud are also justified. Even though Apple has reduced iCloud pricing, it is still one of the highest priced on the market. It's not right that the backup can only be saved to iCloud and not on any of my other cloud space. Even iOS itself, now used frequently as a tablet OS, is faulty without a native filing system. No app truly does a coherent job of filing all my iPhone files.
All that being said, I could write even more about what I like about my iPhone and why I would buy the next really new iPhone again. It's the very best cell phone I have ever owned and that's a lot of phones. Nothing's perfect, it just would be "nice" to see some of these problems taken care of. But Apple knows they are selling the best cell phone on the market and they don't have to be as responsive to these little things as they might otherwise be.
16GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tiers. 64GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tier. Even 128GB is too low for some users and yet you aren't saying that the minimum capacity should be the maximum needed for all and yet that IS what your arguing with your stupid comments asserting 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit your needs and you don't want to pay for a higher tier. Stop acting so damn entitled! Apple will increase the first tier capacity when it beat suits their needs as a company, which includes, but not limited to, NAND availability, NAND costs, and user needs.
Well you can pretty much fit all needs with onboard storage and iCloud storage. I'm not saying 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit my needs I'm saying based on how people are using their iPhones and what is available for the iPhone it's meeting the needs of far less.
The first iPhone had a 2 megapixel camera. No optical zoom no flash and it did not support native video recording.
I assume you have seen the recent commercials that say this was shot with an iPhone 6. Teens are using these to shot larger videos, panoramic photos, 1080P video recording. Games, App Store, Apple Music, Movies these are all things young iPhone users do and use all the time.
One hour of 1080p video can take up to 10GB. Console quality games could be 1GB in storage. HD movie 3-6GB. The only way I could see it being worth getting 16GB is if someone buys iCloud storage, Has Amazon Prime where they allow free storage on the cloud for everything you by from Amazon.
Another popular debate on this forum is what qualifies as a personal computer. I've seen many use a larger capacity iPhone or iPad as a personal computer not so much with a 16GB.
Has Apple ever lost customers because they decided to drop a storage option? Having 16GB these days is just going to annoy someone. Again my opinion.
Those attempts at a defense are just fucking stupid. Again my opinion.
Seriously, because they dropped the 8GB at a given price point and replaced it with 16GB you believe that they not only could but should replace it with 32GB because 128GB exists and in your world the min and max need to be on equal stepping. That's stupid! Again my opinion.
Also, having 32GB is going to annoy someone. Same for 64GB. No matter what Apple does it's going to annoy someone, because of this ridiculous entitlement certain people have these days. Again my opinion.
Looking over the Android phone price points you could be right losing that price point might not be a good idea.
According to Apple, it wouldn't have been the best idea. How do 'we' know this? Because of how they've sold their devices these past 7 years.
Either that or up the 16gb to 32gb to directly compete with their storage options. However I know how well that idea has gone over in this thread.
Ugh! Yore still not getting it. The odds are overwhelming that they will eventually do double the entry level tier, but your reasoning as to why they should do it right now (and in the past) is what isn't going over well. An intelligent person might think, "I guess they could have left it as 16, 32, and 64GB capacities (or added a 4th tier at 128GB for $300 more) until such time as all three tiers could be doubled at the same time, so I'm glad that they were abel to double the second and third tiers last year (as well as not added a third tier.)" That person could also say, "I hope the availability and cost allows them start the entry level tier at 32GB this year because my OCD demands it."
how people are using their iPhones and what is available for the iPhone it's meeting the needs of far less.
That's what happens in technology. Our expectations change for a variety of reasons. How much faster are our systems these days? Do they feel that much faster? They don't. One major part of that is our changed expectations but the other major part is how the faster systems are being taking advantage of with more services and features, as well as more complex services and features.
My guess is that with the new features for installing iOS as well as the drop by 3GB that they will keep 16GB around for at least another year. That said, I hope they can raise it to 32GB at the same price point.
I assume you have seen the recent commercials that say this was shot with an iPhone 6. Teens are using these to shot larger videos, panoramic photos, 1080P video recording. Games, App Store, Apple Music, Movies these are all things young iPhone users do and use all the time.
One hour of 1080p video can take up to 10GB. Console quality games could be 1GB in storage. HD movie 3-6GB. The only way I could see it being worth getting 16GB is if someone buys iCloud storage, Has Amazon Prime where they allow free storage on the cloud for everything you by from Amazon.
And if you're one of those people then you need to consider a higher tiered device. My mother, she doesn't have any music, or videos, takes no video, some pictures, and has no large apps or games on her iPhone. The same for her iPad. She uses them for phone calls, calendar, iMessage, web browsing, some basic apps like weather, travel/vactation apps, Words with Friends, and on her iPad iBooks. She isn't even being close to using half her storage. My experience of looking at a great many devices when helping people update iOS or them asking about getting a new device, these are the common users for Apple's devices, not people on this forum; the people that scoff at the new MacBook because it's not powerful enough, those are not Apple's bread and butter despite their claims of "being loyal to Apple for x years" after they feel slighted because Apple didn't make a product just for them.
So now you know how every 500,000,000 iPhone users on the planet use there phone? Really? Are you some kind of god with superpowers.
All I know is I have over a dozen friends and family that own 16 GB iPhones. And none of them grumble about the lack of space. And few that did simply upgraded to 64GB this year.
This is really an idiotic debate. First off Apple can barely keep up with demand the first 6 months of every iPhone release. After those 6 months you can usually find $50-$100 discounts on iPhones. In other words all those crybabies who grumble about 16GB phones just need to wait 6 months when demand is down and discounts are available and then buy a higher capacity phone. If you cant wait then tough luck.
No one is forcing anyone to buy 16 GB iPhones. If the consumer hated so much no one would buy it. But like I said every year Apple cant keep up with demand and breaks sales records. That tells me that the general consumer is satisfied with the iPhone pricing and there are only a small niche group that isn't.
You guys can't seem to grasp the concept of having an opinion. Now we are actually talking about being a God with superpowers. Well you have over a dozen friends and family with 16GB so I guess that is proof we should keep it.
No on is saying anyone is forcing them to buy a 16GB, when I go to my Apple store most customers seem utterly stupid. One of the Apple employees said to me half the people that walk into the store should be using a jitterbug not an iPhone. People argued that Apple releasing an 8GB iPhone 5C was a good idea, it wasn't.
With Apple we always talk about the experience it's why were consider the iPhone and iOS so much better then Android. It's MY OPINION , wanted to make sure that was clear, a user can't take advantage of the full experience and what the iPhone has to offer when they are limited to 16GB.
All you have to do is look at some simple things people do on their iPhone and it's pretty clear 16GB runs out fast. You don't even need superpowers.
I'm just wondering what some here will say when the new iPhones come with 2GB RAM. I've been told more times than I care to count that 1GB RAM is perfectly fine and any more than that will just allow developers to be lazy and develop inefficient apps. I will really LMAO if 16 gets bumped to 32 AND we get 2GB RAM.
I'm just wondering what some here will say when the new iPhones come with 2GB RAM. I've been told more times than I care to count that 1GB RAM is perfectly fine and any more than that will just allow developers to be lazy and develop inefficient apps. I will really LMAO if 16 gets bumped to 32 AND we get 2GB RAM.
People like you will always say what Apple does is not enough. When their devices had 256MB RAM the complaints were that it needs 512MB RAM to do anything. When it got 512MB RAM then it was that it need 1GB RAM to do anything. Now that it's 1GB RAM the complaints are (you guessed it) you need 2GB of RAM to do anything. When it gets to 2GB RAM can you guess what the next complaint will be?
This is par for the course, and what they have now IS perfectly fine. Do you know how I know this? Because I'm using it with 1GB RAM and it's working perfectly fine. That is not to say the 1GB of RAM is perfect in some cosmic sense and that anything more, regardless of HW or SW changes will worsen the experience, but the selling dozens of millions per quarter and have the highest satisfaction rating of any CE comp any company so why don't you tell me why 1GB of RAM is "perfectly wrong".
Also, having 32GB is going to annoy someone. Same for 64GB. No matter what Apple does it's going to annoy someone, because of this ridiculous entitlement certain people have these days. Again my opinion.
You let yourself get suckered into a spurious debate. You're arguing not with someone who personally bought a 16GB iPhone and regrets it, you're arguing with someone who is using a hypothetical annoyed customer to prove that Apple is wrong. It's the equivalent of using weasel words on Wikipedia as attribution: "many people are unhappy with Apple's choice of 16GB..." (Who? What people?)
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There was no 128GB model last year and the 64GB user paid less this year, or if they paid the same the either got an extra 64GB or they got the iPhone 6 Plus. How is Apple not losing money?
He said it was a STANDARD marketing practice, not a REQUIREMENT. Besides not understanding the good, better, best model you are also arguing for the one year in which Apple clearly made a lot of mistakes with selling the iPhone. From starting at a storage level customers felt was too low, to not having a 3rd tier (although price or NAND availability may have been an issue), to the high price, to the profit sharing model there were many missteps… but you can go ahead and blame that on Cook even though Jobs was CEO.
You seem to enjoy trying to predict what I am going to say. Maybe that is your problem you are trying to read peoples minds and I am just responding to what they post taking it at face value. Also based on previous threads Sog tends to believe that if something is bigger then it's the premium device.
So under his rule of thumb the iPad Mini should never be as powerful as the iPad Air or have all the same features because it's smaller. So yeah I really take what he says at face value.
Sears, Roebuck was the big user of the Good, Better, Best marketing and we see how well that has worked out for them. When storage is the only difference between the iPhone it doesn't really fall under the good, better, best model. If someone buys a 16GB they have actually paid the highest premium per GB of storage.
See it's just all marketing, someone said Apple never forces people to buy the higher storage, they have never seen an Apple employee try to up sell. That is all true because the concept is perfect because the customer does all the work. This is psychology 101. The customer will justify that 100.00 in two years is nothing or if they finance hell and extra 4.17 is nothing when it comes to a monthly payment over 24 months.
Makes it even better that it's a 4x jump in storage instead of just double the storage.
I qualified my comment appropirately.
If you have an argument as to why you think two tiers will be better for Apple I haven't seen it. Saying they should do blah blah isn't an argument, you need to post a detailed why to show that three-tiers aren't working and how two-tiers would work better.
Not the same situation since you're talking about a bottleneck on performance v a bottleneck on capacity. However, if you wanted to show that for an SSD v HDD for PC buyer you had many years of customers going different ways because of capacity and performance capacity, weighed against cost.
So I say, "No, there will be some iPhone sales" to your silly blanket question and you'll use that to say, "See, Apple won't lose any customers and everyone will be more happy" or some shit. Why can't you write a decent argument?
Those sentences amount to nothing.
Says the one that just called me stupid, whereas I called your comments stupid.
Backpedaling b backing up everything I write. How exactly does that work?
Starting off with the old troll troupe. "Apple is just good at marketing," then moved right into a comment about a sales rep suggesting a higher capacity device as forcing the customer. You should really take that to the better business bureau. Also, I'd like to see some proof that customers are in any way being uphold to a higher capacity devices by Apple Store employees when they state use case that don't require higher capacities. I'd bet if you walked into an Apple Store today and said "I want to buy the entry level MacBook." they would not try to up-sell you the model with the faster CPU or larger SSD.
what a stupid ass idea.
So you want to totally get rid of the $199 tier? Are you serious!
So iPhones will start at $299 for the 64 GB iphone 6S. But no $199 model? Are you out of your friken mind! So your idea is to allow Samsung/HTC/Xiami/ect to have free reign at the $199 price point? Flatout stupid and idiotic.
So instead of giving people a CHOICE of choosing the 16GB model (which works for literally TENS of MILLIONS of people) you want Apple to get rid of the 16GB model and have no $199 tier? What!
So instead of giving people a CHOICE to choose between 3 tiers and 3 price points you want to give them only two choices. Flatout stupidity. Dumbest thing I've read all day. all year actually.
It's only 199.00 tier if you do a 2 year agreement. Didn't ATT get rid of that option? Isn't that an issue in other countries because they aren't big into 2 year contract?
Verizon is trying to push people to EDGE getting them to finance the full price of the phone to get lower monthly rates. On the Apple Store the two year contract with ATT is no longer an option, I would argue we are moving way from two subsidized contracts. Isn't this the reason why Apple decided to try the 5C a lower price point for customers that pay full price?
Also aren't you the guy always saying to people if you can't afford it then go by a cheap Android phone? Yeah I'm fairly certain that's you.
Starting off with the old troll troupe. "Apple is just good at marketing," then moved right into a comment about a sales rep suggesting a higher capacity device as forcing the customer. You should really take that to the better business bureau. Also, I'd like to see some proof that customers are in any way being uphold to a higher capacity devices by Apple Store employees when they state use case that don't require higher capacities. I'd bet if you walked into an Apple Store today and said "I want to buy the entry level MacBook." they would not try to up-sell you the model with the faster CPU or larger SSD.
I guess we are in for a long night. Okay again I never said Apple is "just" good at marketing. Since when it marketing not important? They are good at marketing not "just" good at marketing. The forcing comment was made by another member, saying he never saw Apple try to force something to buy higher storage. Again attempting to read my mind.
It's hard for me to even comment on this post you are so far off the charts. Customers are not being uphold to higher capacity devices by Apple employees, they are buying higher capacity devices because 16GB is not enough. Well if you about 10 years old it's enough. No if you want to buy an entry level Macbook then it should at least be a Macbook that doesn't have 2005 specs. You know lets go crazy and give them a good experience by maybe dropping the 5400rpm HDD and given 128 sold state. How about a resolution higher then 1280x800 so pictures at least look decent on it.
Seeing this most likely a new Apple customer that you want to become a life long customer giving them a system with a better experience is simply good business. I assume you understand the above concept.
16GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tiers. 64GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tier. Even 128GB is too low for some users and yet you aren't saying that the minimum capacity should be the maximum needed for all and yet that IS what your arguing with your stupid comments asserting 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit your needs and you don't want to pay for a higher tier. Stop acting so damn entitled! Apple will increase the first tier capacity when it beat suits their needs as a company, which includes, but not limited to, NAND availability, NAND costs, and user needs.
It doesn't matter. You are still getting rid of a whole segment of iPhone buyers.
You are making no iPhones for $650 unsubsidized price level but are starting it at $750.
Do you seriously want Apple to concede an ENTIRE PRICE LEVEL to Samsung/Android?
You seriously want to get RID OF AN ENTIRE price LEVEL that Apple has been extremely successful with? Really? Thats your solution?
Your solution is LESS CHOICE?
Has Apple ever lost customers because they decided to drop a storage option? Having 16GB these days is just going to annoy someone. Again my opinion.
A 64GB Galaxy S6 is only 50.00 cheaper then an iPhone 6 with the same storage. The Note 4 doesn't even have a 64GB option unlike the iPhone 6 Plus. I don't view microSD as a good storage option.
Looking over the Android phone price points you could be right losing that price point might not be a good idea. Either that or up the 16gb to 32gb to directly compete with their storage options. However I know how well that idea has gone over in this thread.
Not sure I understand the heated debate over something only Apple knows but there are some obvious things not mentioned. Many people would buy much more than 16 GB if they could afford it. But, for a lot of folks, it's more important to have an Apple iPhone than the most logical storage if they cannot more. It is hard to believe many people actually only have need of 16 Gb when buying an iPhone 6 Plus. This is a phone that is almost impossible not to use as a tablet. It is far more useful for that purpose than any tablet I've ever owned (other than Apple tablets.) If using the many tablet features that the iPhone 6 Plus makes easy, it's likely most users would benefit from more than 16 GB. I really can't imagine a scenario where a 6 Plus is useful with only 16 GB. The other factor that does make Apple look a little "greedy" is the inability to us a storage card. In fact the trend in phones is to copy Apple and increase profits by eliminating storage cards in many other phones. The ultimate purpose of this is to force the user to buy a much more expensive phone with adequate storage. That doesn't make Apple criminal, just not good PR I would guess. I hear many friends complain about this and the unique hardware and cables that only work with Apple products and sometimes only for specific models. These cables, etc., seem to be frequently changed which makes for a more expensive product and more inconvenience. For myself, I would probably pay whatever Apple asked for 256 GB or more in the iPhone 6 Plus. But, where Apple really seems to have slacked is the problems not being addressed. the apps that crash in my iPhone 6 Plus are unacceptable. These crashes do not occur in the same app on my old iPhone 4S. There are also people with new iPhones that constantly shut down or restart and I cannot find any solution suggested by Apple. The iOS 8.3 update made problems with my WiFi connection and I see little new in the update. I have Apple Care and although the techs are all extremely polite, the lack of information is amazing. Every question I have ever asked required the tech to put me on hold to research the question and the answers are different every time I call. The only solution the last tech reluctantly told me to try was resetting the iPhone and restoring everything from my backup. That's a time consuming process for a fix that might work. Just the backup process itself leaves a lot to be desired. The lack of control over what gets backed up and even worse, the lack of control over what is restored is just absurd. A backup should be something free to use at will, not a take it or leave it business. The complaints about iCloud are also justified. Even though Apple has reduced iCloud pricing, it is still one of the highest priced on the market. It's not right that the backup can only be saved to iCloud and not on any of my other cloud space. Even iOS itself, now used frequently as a tablet OS, is faulty without a native filing system. No app truly does a coherent job of filing all my iPhone files.
All that being said, I could write even more about what I like about my iPhone and why I would buy the next really new iPhone again. It's the very best cell phone I have ever owned and that's a lot of phones. Nothing's perfect, it just would be "nice" to see some of these problems taken care of. But Apple knows they are selling the best cell phone on the market and they don't have to be as responsive to these little things as they might otherwise be.
16GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tiers. 64GB won't fit all needs, hence the higher tier. Even 128GB is too low for some users and yet you aren't saying that the minimum capacity should be the maximum needed for all and yet that IS what your arguing with your stupid comments asserting 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit your needs and you don't want to pay for a higher tier. Stop acting so damn entitled! Apple will increase the first tier capacity when it beat suits their needs as a company, which includes, but not limited to, NAND availability, NAND costs, and user needs.
Well you can pretty much fit all needs with onboard storage and iCloud storage. I'm not saying 16GB should go away because it doesn't suit my needs I'm saying based on how people are using their iPhones and what is available for the iPhone it's meeting the needs of far less.
The first iPhone had a 2 megapixel camera. No optical zoom no flash and it did not support native video recording.
I assume you have seen the recent commercials that say this was shot with an iPhone 6. Teens are using these to shot larger videos, panoramic photos, 1080P video recording. Games, App Store, Apple Music, Movies these are all things young iPhone users do and use all the time.
One hour of 1080p video can take up to 10GB. Console quality games could be 1GB in storage. HD movie 3-6GB. The only way I could see it being worth getting 16GB is if someone buys iCloud storage, Has Amazon Prime where they allow free storage on the cloud for everything you by from Amazon.
Another popular debate on this forum is what qualifies as a personal computer. I've seen many use a larger capacity iPhone or iPad as a personal computer not so much with a 16GB.
Those attempts at a defense are just fucking stupid. Again my opinion.
Seriously, because they dropped the 8GB at a given price point and replaced it with 16GB you believe that they not only could but should replace it with 32GB because 128GB exists and in your world the min and max need to be on equal stepping. That's stupid! Again my opinion.
Also, having 32GB is going to annoy someone. Same for 64GB. No matter what Apple does it's going to annoy someone, because of this ridiculous entitlement certain people have these days. Again my opinion.
According to Apple, it wouldn't have been the best idea. How do 'we' know this? Because of how they've sold their devices these past 7 years.
Ugh! Yore still not getting it. The odds are overwhelming that they will eventually do double the entry level tier, but your reasoning as to why they should do it right now (and in the past) is what isn't going over well. An intelligent person might think, "I guess they could have left it as 16, 32, and 64GB capacities (or added a 4th tier at 128GB for $300 more) until such time as all three tiers could be doubled at the same time, so I'm glad that they were abel to double the second and third tiers last year (as well as not added a third tier.)" That person could also say, "I hope the availability and cost allows them start the entry level tier at 32GB this year because my OCD demands it."
That's what happens in technology. Our expectations change for a variety of reasons. How much faster are our systems these days? Do they feel that much faster? They don't. One major part of that is our changed expectations but the other major part is how the faster systems are being taking advantage of with more services and features, as well as more complex services and features.
My guess is that with the new features for installing iOS as well as the drop by 3GB that they will keep 16GB around for at least another year. That said, I hope they can raise it to 32GB at the same price point.
And if you're one of those people then you need to consider a higher tiered device. My mother, she doesn't have any music, or videos, takes no video, some pictures, and has no large apps or games on her iPhone. The same for her iPad. She uses them for phone calls, calendar, iMessage, web browsing, some basic apps like weather, travel/vactation apps, Words with Friends, and on her iPad iBooks. She isn't even being close to using half her storage. My experience of looking at a great many devices when helping people update iOS or them asking about getting a new device, these are the common users for Apple's devices, not people on this forum; the people that scoff at the new MacBook because it's not powerful enough, those are not Apple's bread and butter despite their claims of "being loyal to Apple for x years" after they feel slighted because Apple didn't make a product just for them.
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So now you know how every 500,000,000 iPhone users on the planet use there phone? Really? Are you some kind of god with superpowers.
All I know is I have over a dozen friends and family that own 16 GB iPhones. And none of them grumble about the lack of space. And few that did simply upgraded to 64GB this year.
This is really an idiotic debate. First off Apple can barely keep up with demand the first 6 months of every iPhone release. After those 6 months you can usually find $50-$100 discounts on iPhones. In other words all those crybabies who grumble about 16GB phones just need to wait 6 months when demand is down and discounts are available and then buy a higher capacity phone. If you cant wait then tough luck.
No one is forcing anyone to buy 16 GB iPhones. If the consumer hated so much no one would buy it. But like I said every year Apple cant keep up with demand and breaks sales records. That tells me that the general consumer is satisfied with the iPhone pricing and there are only a small niche group that isn't.
You guys can't seem to grasp the concept of having an opinion. Now we are actually talking about being a God with superpowers. Well you have over a dozen friends and family with 16GB so I guess that is proof we should keep it.
No on is saying anyone is forcing them to buy a 16GB, when I go to my Apple store most customers seem utterly stupid. One of the Apple employees said to me half the people that walk into the store should be using a jitterbug not an iPhone. People argued that Apple releasing an 8GB iPhone 5C was a good idea, it wasn't.
With Apple we always talk about the experience it's why were consider the iPhone and iOS so much better then Android. It's MY OPINION , wanted to make sure that was clear, a user can't take advantage of the full experience and what the iPhone has to offer when they are limited to 16GB.
All you have to do is look at some simple things people do on their iPhone and it's pretty clear 16GB runs out fast. You don't even need superpowers.
People like you will always say what Apple does is not enough. When their devices had 256MB RAM the complaints were that it needs 512MB RAM to do anything. When it got 512MB RAM then it was that it need 1GB RAM to do anything. Now that it's 1GB RAM the complaints are (you guessed it) you need 2GB of RAM to do anything. When it gets to 2GB RAM can you guess what the next complaint will be?
This is par for the course, and what they have now IS perfectly fine. Do you know how I know this? Because I'm using it with 1GB RAM and it's working perfectly fine. That is not to say the 1GB of RAM is perfect in some cosmic sense and that anything more, regardless of HW or SW changes will worsen the experience, but the selling dozens of millions per quarter and have the highest satisfaction rating of any CE comp any company so why don't you tell me why 1GB of RAM is "perfectly wrong".
You let yourself get suckered into a spurious debate. You're arguing not with someone who personally bought a 16GB iPhone and regrets it, you're arguing with someone who is using a hypothetical annoyed customer to prove that Apple is wrong. It's the equivalent of using weasel words on Wikipedia as attribution: "many people are unhappy with Apple's choice of 16GB..." (Who? What people?)