Would you need to insure a Self Driving Car for theft? For accidents?
Theft, of course. Accidents involving an error in the operation of the car’s software would be the responsibility of the manufacturer and would probably fall under the warranty.
Would you need to buy a Self Driving Car or just make use of the platform using an über like app?
I imagine both. City taxi services could be universally “on-call”; never wait for one again. They would have a hard-coded limited range so that they operated within the boundaries of the city. Buses could do the same, except with only a hard-coded path. Rent a regular self-driver as you would any other car for expanded access.
Could you have a family plan for your car?
What do you mean?
The pretty Human controlled leisure cars are confined as extravaganzas for the week-end. Like old-timers on rural roads or sports cars on race circuits.
I rather think gasoline cars will be extravagances before human-driven ones are.
Didn't anyone stop to think that there is still a valid reason for a grill (nee, an opening in front)? Large batteries need to be cooled as do motors. Is the possibility of a hybrid out of the question (either the gas powered generator or gas driven powertrain that can supplement the electrics)? There is also a need for a HVAC system which generally uses fresh filtered air passed thru a heat exchanger to get hot or cold air -- I know I don't want to have to rely on 4/80 AC ;) and electric seat warmers and/or strip heaters to warm up (i.e., electric heaters are really inefficient).
The post I responded to, as well as my response were strictly discussing the Tesla's fake "grille," which is really more of a dark plastic cover shaped to look like a traditional, functional grille. We aren't criticizing functioning grilles used on other cars, got it?
And yet I’ll never buy anything I can’t drive myself. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">I’ll just have the benefit of pretty designs.</span>
That's ok. A lot of people here will also never buy any watch they can't set and wind themselves every day as they fantasize about someday handing it down to their grandchildren as precious heirlooms.
And yet I’ll never buy anything I can’t drive myself. I’ll just have the benefit of pretty designs.
That's nice. You should let Apple know, so they can scrap all their potential plans.
You have absolutely no idea what an "Apple car" will entail, nor how useful or functional it will be. It seems meaningless to make these proclamations at this point of what you won't buy. I remember all the "LOL ILL NEVER BUY A COMPUTER WITH NO OPTICAL DRIVE" proclamations, and a million others. They're as irrelevant today as your concern might be sometime in the future.
That's nice. You should let Apple know, so they can scrap all their potential plans.
And of course you know that it will be self-driving only because you’re magical.
You have absolutely no idea what an "Apple car" will entail, nor how useful or functional it will be. It seems meaningless to make these proclamations at this point of what you won't buy.
Then again, if no one says anything about so much as what they think want, how can Apple know what to offer?
I remember all the "LOL ILL NEVER BUY A COMPUTER WITH NO OPTICAL DRIVE" proclamations, and a million others. They're as irrelevant today as your concern might be sometime in the future.
The only time I would trust my life to an optical drive is if I were to stick my penis into the hole. As this situation would never arise, you can imagine how silly your knee-jerk fanaticism looks here. You, personally, know the only computer I’d never buy is one too large or too small for its claimed use. But then again, that’s true of anyone.
Lol hell yeah! Of course, come to think of it, the ghia still had two little grills albeit for fresh air to the cabin. Not that they are needed, as leaky as those things are there's plenty of "fresh air" blowing in whenever the car is moving wether you want it to or not
Lol hell yeah! Of course, come to think of it, the ghia still had two little grills albeit for fresh air to the cabin. Not that they are needed, as leaky as those things are there's plenty of "fresh air" blowing in whenever the car is moving wether you want it to or not
Yep, lots of air leaks around the dashboard elements, like the speaker grill and the radio. But the ash tray was sealed off, so no ashes blew out during headwinds.
The little grills you mention were more for the dual—count'em two—horns, which required a special relay, or they wouldn't work when the headlights were on.
Self driving cars will still have to have safety features in case another car collides with it. No self driving system is going to be smart enough to avoid any possible collision when there are other drivers in the fray.
Not to mention if a tree falls on the car or if it's caught in a hailstorm and all the windows are shattered...
And of course you know that it will be self-driving only because you’re magical.
Then again, if no one says anything about so much as what they think want, how can Apple know what to offer?
The only time I would trust my life to an optical drive is if I were to stick my penis into the hole. As this situation would never arise, you can imagine how silly your knee-jerk fanaticism looks here. You, personally, know the only computer I’d never buy is one too large or too small for its claimed use. But then again, that’s true of anyone.
Most modern Airbus and Boing airplanes are entierly automatic, from takeoff to landing, they can do almost everything without the need of a pilot to guide them. In fact, its how we fly in the last two decades or so. Guided and in most situation giving the control entierly to computers and sensors. Thats because we already know that the human fails hundreds time more frequently than a computer. We already have some technologies you will probably see in future automatic vehicles. I dont know what car you have, but there are already cars that can detects pedestrains or obastacles on the road to stop automaticly or correct the direction when you get out of a lane and even park the car perfectly where most drivers are not capable of without any human intervention.
Most modern Airbus and Boing airplanes are entierly automatic, from takeoff to landing, they can do almost everything without the need of a pilot to guide them. In fact, its how we fly in the last two decades or so. Guided and in most situation giving the control entierly to computers and sensors. Thats because we already know that the human fails hundreds time more frequently than a computer. We already have some technologies you will probably see in future automatic vehicles. I dont know what car you have, but there are already cars that can detects pedestrains or obastacles on the road to stop automaticly or correct the direction when you get out of a lane and even park the car perfectly where most drivers are not capable of without any human intervention.
You basically said it: airplanes do not have to constantly check for pedestrians walking to n front of you, or other differentiate between countless objects by the road and other vehicles and determine their trajectory. While aerospace has other challenges, and we already has assisting systems that can determine this to some degree. In a figure of speech: the difference between an assist that works 98% and one that works 99% is one percent, but the difference between 99% and 100% is the difference between an assist and a self driving car.
You basically said it: airplanes do not have to constantly check for pedestrians walking to n front of you, or other differentiate between countless objects by the road and other vehicles and determine their trajectory.
What is mind-boggling about Self Driving Cars is that they can use data from other Self Driving cars to determine what is around the corner.
Say, your Self Driving Car encounters playing children on the street. This information will be passed onto my Self Driving Car if I happen to be in the neighbourhood (driving the same trajectory). This way your Car are the eyes of my Car, which in turn are the eyes of someone else's Car. The 'constantly checking' is thus shared among Cars.
Self Driving Cars would render individual number plates obsolete. A Family Plan could grant access to the Auto to a selected number of people.
I am not sure how this is all going to work out as this really is new ground. Like, do you need to have a driving license to be in a Self Driving Car? It sounds ridiculous, right? So, consider driving schools a thing of the past as well
The traditional car manufacturers will reluctantly (petrol > hybrid > electric/hydrogen) transition to the first option while Apple and Google have the assets to really create a Mobility Revolution (Option Two).
I guess the bottom line for me is I don't have issues with cars and I don't understand why some are so eager to get rid of them or think their demise is imminent.
Imminent for sure not. And I agree that individual and independent mobility is and will stay important for quite some time....
People (in the west) want the freedom to jump in a car an go. There has not been enough sh*t rain down upon them
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Originally Posted by mr O
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Would you need to buy a Self Driving Car or just make use of the platform using an über like app?
I imagine both. City taxi services could be universally “on-call”; never wait for one again. They would have a hard-coded limited range so that they operated within the boundaries of the city. Buses could do the same, except with only a hard-coded path. Rent a regular self-driver as you would any other car for expanded access.
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I gotta say that my immediate thought goes to JohnnyCab in Total Recall (1990). Poor Quaid had his share of problems with JohnnyCar, but who knows what traffic will be like on Mars? They will get to plan ahead for these things and add magnetic markers in roadways (or something superior).
Everything is cool, until, well -- its not! I do like the idea of autonomous autos but I think shared infastructure is going to be a mess and way too expensive to have exclusive access for AI Autos. I can imagine the mess when an 18 wheeler runs over one of these AI Cars or somebody gawking.
Off topic of grilles but about AI Cars: My guess is that these will have a long hard road ahead similar to the Segway, wonderful device but where to put it? There are many issues such as liability in crashes (IMO most would be from another vehicle), malfunctions (either just stalls or serious problems like we have seen with faulty tires or brake systems or stuck accelerators) where there is not only potential for large traffic snarls but property damage up to and including death of other operator and/or passengers in any vehicle.
^^^ One thing you need to understand is that artificial intelligence is coming soon and will affect everything to a degree that is unimaginable today. Moore's Law also applies, even if the timetable on AI is off a few years.
Yep, lots of air leaks around the dashboard elements, like the speaker grill and the radio. But the ash tray was sealed off, so no ashes blew out during headwinds.
The little grills you mention were more for the dual—count'em two—horns, which required a special relay, or they wouldn't work when the headlights were on.
Maybe in the earlier years? Mines a '74 and the horn (I don't remember it being two, but it's been a while since I looked down there) is mounted down by it's own little grill under the bumper. WAY OT!
And so is the main motor in the Tesla in the back, the way God intended : ). Put the working weight over the drive wheels, keep unnecessary weight off the steering wheels.
They do make a dual engine, all wheel drive model S. There is a lot of weight to the Tesla anyway due to the batteries, which are distributed along the lower chassis of the vehicle. Having too little weight on the front wheels is not a good thing for handling at high speed which is why GT race cars are usually mid-engine.
BTW, AFAIK the only sensors behind the Tesla grille are the parking sensors. That is no reason to make it ugly. If the grille was designed as a distinctive brand styling, I still say 'Fail.'
And the other person's comment about reparability is nonsense because it you damage those sensors they are $5K+ to replace.
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Would you need to insure a Self Driving Car for theft? For accidents?
Theft, of course. Accidents involving an error in the operation of the car’s software would be the responsibility of the manufacturer and would probably fall under the warranty.
Would you need to buy a Self Driving Car or just make use of the platform using an über like app?
I imagine both. City taxi services could be universally “on-call”; never wait for one again. They would have a hard-coded limited range so that they operated within the boundaries of the city. Buses could do the same, except with only a hard-coded path. Rent a regular self-driver as you would any other car for expanded access.
What do you mean?
I rather think gasoline cars will be extravagances before human-driven ones are.
The post I responded to, as well as my response were strictly discussing the Tesla's fake "grille," which is really more of a dark plastic cover shaped to look like a traditional, functional grille. We aren't criticizing functioning grilles used on other cars, got it?
That's ok. A lot of people here will also never buy any watch they can't set and wind themselves every day as they fantasize about someday handing it down to their grandchildren as precious heirlooms.
And yet I’ll never buy anything I can’t drive myself. I’ll just have the benefit of pretty designs.
That's nice. You should let Apple know, so they can scrap all their potential plans.
You have absolutely no idea what an "Apple car" will entail, nor how useful or functional it will be. It seems meaningless to make these proclamations at this point of what you won't buy. I remember all the "LOL ILL NEVER BUY A COMPUTER WITH NO OPTICAL DRIVE" proclamations, and a million others. They're as irrelevant today as your concern might be sometime in the future.
And of course you know that it will be self-driving only because you’re magical.
Then again, if no one says anything about so much as what they think want, how can Apple know what to offer?
The only time I would trust my life to an optical drive is if I were to stick my penis into the hole. As this situation would never arise, you can imagine how silly your knee-jerk fanaticism looks here. You, personally, know the only computer I’d never buy is one too large or too small for its claimed use. But then again, that’s true of anyone.
Lol hell yeah! Of course, come to think of it, the ghia still had two little grills albeit for fresh air to the cabin. Not that they are needed, as leaky as those things are there's plenty of "fresh air" blowing in whenever the car is moving wether you want it to or not
Yep, lots of air leaks around the dashboard elements, like the speaker grill and the radio. But the ash tray was sealed off, so no ashes blew out during headwinds.
The little grills you mention were more for the dual—count'em two—horns, which required a special relay, or they wouldn't work when the headlights were on.
Not to mention if a tree falls on the car or if it's caught in a hailstorm and all the windows are shattered...
And of course you know that it will be self-driving only because you’re magical.
Then again, if no one says anything about so much as what they think want, how can Apple know what to offer?
The only time I would trust my life to an optical drive is if I were to stick my penis into the hole. As this situation would never arise, you can imagine how silly your knee-jerk fanaticism looks here. You, personally, know the only computer I’d never buy is one too large or too small for its claimed use. But then again, that’s true of anyone.
Most modern Airbus and Boing airplanes are entierly automatic, from takeoff to landing, they can do almost everything without the need of a pilot to guide them. In fact, its how we fly in the last two decades or so. Guided and in most situation giving the control entierly to computers and sensors. Thats because we already know that the human fails hundreds time more frequently than a computer. We already have some technologies you will probably see in future automatic vehicles. I dont know what car you have, but there are already cars that can detects pedestrains or obastacles on the road to stop automaticly or correct the direction when you get out of a lane and even park the car perfectly where most drivers are not capable of without any human intervention.
You basically said it: airplanes do not have to constantly check for pedestrians walking to n front of you, or other differentiate between countless objects by the road and other vehicles and determine their trajectory. While aerospace has other challenges, and we already has assisting systems that can determine this to some degree. In a figure of speech: the difference between an assist that works 98% and one that works 99% is one percent, but the difference between 99% and 100% is the difference between an assist and a self driving car.
You basically said it: airplanes do not have to constantly check for pedestrians walking to n front of you, or other differentiate between countless objects by the road and other vehicles and determine their trajectory.
What is mind-boggling about Self Driving Cars is that they can use data from other Self Driving cars to determine what is around the corner.
Say, your Self Driving Car encounters playing children on the street. This information will be passed onto my Self Driving Car if I happen to be in the neighbourhood (driving the same trajectory). This way your Car are the eyes of my Car, which in turn are the eyes of someone else's Car. The 'constantly checking' is thus shared among Cars.
Sent from the year 2020,
Quote in context of the family plan:
What do you mean?
Self Driving Cars would render individual number plates obsolete. A Family Plan could grant access to the Auto to a selected number of people.
I am not sure how this is all going to work out as this really is new ground. Like, do you need to have a driving license to be in a Self Driving Car? It sounds ridiculous, right? So, consider driving schools a thing of the past as well
It all boils down to this:
The traditional car manufacturers will reluctantly (petrol > hybrid > electric/hydrogen) transition to the first option while Apple and Google have the assets to really create a Mobility Revolution (Option Two).
Still, there's something to be said for being involved in the driving experience for those of us who enjoy it.
Driving is great, it's just that there are all of those other idiots on the road. ????
I guess the bottom line for me is I don't have issues with cars and I don't understand why some are so eager to get rid of them or think their demise is imminent.
Imminent for sure not. And I agree that individual and independent mobility is and will stay important for quite some time....
People (in the west) want the freedom to jump in a car an go. There has not been enough sh*t rain down upon them
Would you need to buy a Self Driving Car or just make use of the platform using an über like app?
I imagine both. City taxi services could be universally “on-call”; never wait for one again. They would have a hard-coded limited range so that they operated within the boundaries of the city. Buses could do the same, except with only a hard-coded path. Rent a regular self-driver as you would any other car for expanded access.
...
I gotta say that my immediate thought goes to JohnnyCab in Total Recall (1990). Poor Quaid had his share of problems with JohnnyCar, but who knows what traffic will be like on Mars? They will get to plan ahead for these things and add magnetic markers in roadways (or something superior).
Everything is cool, until, well -- its not! I do like the idea of autonomous autos but I think shared infastructure is going to be a mess and way too expensive to have exclusive access for AI Autos. I can imagine the mess when an 18 wheeler runs over one of these AI Cars or somebody gawking.
Off topic of grilles but about AI Cars: My guess is that these will have a long hard road ahead similar to the Segway, wonderful device but where to put it? There are many issues such as liability in crashes (IMO most would be from another vehicle), malfunctions (either just stalls or serious problems like we have seen with faulty tires or brake systems or stuck accelerators) where there is not only potential for large traffic snarls but property damage up to and including death of other operator and/or passengers in any vehicle.
Yep, lots of air leaks around the dashboard elements, like the speaker grill and the radio. But the ash tray was sealed off, so no ashes blew out during headwinds.
The little grills you mention were more for the dual—count'em two—horns, which required a special relay, or they wouldn't work when the headlights were on.
Maybe in the earlier years? Mines a '74 and the horn (I don't remember it being two, but it's been a while since I looked down there) is mounted down by it's own little grill under the bumper. WAY OT!
And so is the main motor in the Tesla in the back, the way God intended : ). Put the working weight over the drive wheels, keep unnecessary weight off the steering wheels.
They do make a dual engine, all wheel drive model S. There is a lot of weight to the Tesla anyway due to the batteries, which are distributed along the lower chassis of the vehicle. Having too little weight on the front wheels is not a good thing for handling at high speed which is why GT race cars are usually mid-engine.
BTW, AFAIK the only sensors behind the Tesla grille are the parking sensors. That is no reason to make it ugly. If the grille was designed as a distinctive brand styling, I still say 'Fail.'
And the other person's comment about reparability is nonsense because it you damage those sensors they are $5K+ to replace.