ericthehalfbee wrote: »
They're basing it off the observations I posted earlier. They're talking about the performance of the i7 version while mentioning the starter price of $899 (which comes with a Core m3).
As if you can get a Surface Pro 4 for the same price as an iPad Pro that has the performance of a MBP.
I stand by my earlier post that the iPad Pro will outperform the m3 based Surface Pro.
SpamSandwich wrote: »
Microsoft is a big sponsor of The Verge. They troll Apple all the time with extremely biased "reporting".
Agreed, somewhat. If Surface 4/Pro sales take off, then that may cut into sales by Dell/Toshiba/etc., making them mad. So does MS want to be more like Apple (vertical), or is MS fed up with the rate of progress/innovation of their hardware OEMs?
The only comparison I can make is Google's limited production of smartphones to Android diehards, the sales of which probably didn't affect their hardware OEMs' sales (my guess). I guess we'll have to wait to see if Surface 4/Pro sales become significant or not.
Edited for clarity.
" So does MS want to be more like Apple (vertical), or is MS fed up with the rate of progress/innovation of their hardware OEMs?"
I say both. I agree with Rogifan, these devices are not reference designs. You don't go through all that trouble investing in and creating your own hardware and slowly expand your retail presence just to sell "reference designs." This is MS' hardware division taking a big page out of Apple's playbook. Also, with declining PC sales (by PC, I mean traditional PC's), MS knows there's no money to be made selling operating systems so the only way to "save" their Windows brand and make good margins off of Windows, is make and sell their own hardware. And this has to get their OEM's worried somewhat, I'm sure.
Within MS, you now have one division (Consumer Devices) competing with Apple, and another division (Software / Services) competing with Google and getting their software on all platforms. This creates potential conflict. On the one hand the Software / Services division needs to get their software in front of as many eyeballs as possible to make a good return. OTOH, the Devices division needs a way to differentiate from iOS / Android hardware which is difficult to do considering that a lot of MS' software is not only available on other platforms, but they tend to get on iOS or Android first.
I notice the Surface book has an opening bezel and lower body very similar to Apple's unibody design.
sog35 wrote: »
looks like a nutcracker
I watched the entire Microsoft announcement presentation on TWiT's podcast of the event and it was nearly unbearable in parts. Some of their presenters were worse than the "ShamWOW" guy.
Interesting. You wouldn't get that from following the blogosphere. I've seen some comments saying it was a better presentation than the 2007 iPhone keynote. Crazy, I know.
If one were to turn the sound off, it may have been tolerable. Microsoft is liberally stealing from Apple's playbook now and it shows. Microsoft now wants people to "love" their software. They want people to "love" their hardware, etc. Coming from a bunch of carnival barkers (especially Panos Panay and Bryan Roper who both sound like they should be selling "miracle" knife sets on Coney Island), it's pretty hard to take.
Here it is, if you're game: https://twit.tv/shows/twit-live-specials/episodes/261?autostart=false
If one were to turn the sound off, it may have been tolerable.
Curious, what did you find unbearable about it?
rogifan wrote: »
The Verge says the iPad Pro is "far less powerful" than the Surface Pro 4. What are they basing that on? We really know nothing about the A9X chip.
I added more to the post. See above.
But the iPad Pro hasn't been released yet. I'm curious how they already have Geekbench scores for that device. The iPhone 6S Plus is on par, performance wise, with the low-end rMB, and yes that's based on Geekbench scores. No way the iPad Pro is on the same level as a rMB. I would say closer to the 13" rMBP.
Yes, where exactly are these Geekbench scores for the unreleased iPad Pro?
You might find this a little more unbearable;
Uh, "one of the fastest"? Sorry, it's THE fastest ARM processor out there. By a landslide.
I see you're still over-hyping Nvidia processors. Funny after you claimed the K1 64bit processor was so advanced Nvidia stopped making it and went back to using ARM A57 cores for the X1.
A9 clocked lower yet smokes the pants off the 64bit K1. Despite Nvidia claiming they'd have the highest IPC of any ARM processor. It wasn't even as fast as the A7 in terms of IPC.