No human rights. No labor rights. No economic development. No prosperity. No welfare. No peace. Nothing but "integration".
EU has sacrificed all of these modern ideals for the sake of a stupid "integration" idea. They've tried to build the most powerful meta-state and the most controlled market this planet has ever seen. That has nothing to do with socialism and should be rather defined as "Eurofascism".
And they failed miserably...
I thought at first your post was pure sarcasm and was intended to be wholly ironic, but I think you actually might be serious. There is actually nothing factually correct about your post.
No human rights. No labor rights. No economic development. No prosperity. No welfare. No peace. Nothing but "integration".
EU has sacrificed all of these modern ideals for the sake of a stupid "integration" idea. They've tried to build the most powerful meta-state and the most controlled market this planet has ever seen. That has nothing to do with socialism and should be rather defined as "Eurofascism".
And they failed miserably...
I thought at first your post was pure sarcasm and was intended to be wholly ironic, but I think you actually might be serious. There is actually nothing factually correct about your post.
Wanna something factually correct? Just remember the austerity measures imposed to Greece... All those shiny European ideals have gone bankrupt in that Greece case.
Look, Leave won. Suck it up, deal with it, move on. As in any such process, the majority won. There were no rigged votes. Calling them names ("stupid old white people") does nothing except exacerbate divisions. Throwing a hissy fit because you lost is what's stupid. As is pretending that this does not create MAJOR problems for the UK, at least in the short run, just because people "had their say".
Adults should focus on what this new reality means, and how the UK (which will probably be minus Scotland sometime soon) can make it work in the long haul. Moreover, the EU bureaucracy needs to do some serious navel-gazing on why it is that a country like the UK left, and what it needs to do prevent more such occurrences. (They also brought it on themselves.)
You reap what you sow. I think a lot of English people are going to regret this single issue voting before too long, especially the fools that used this as a protest vote without thinking that it might actually pass. And anger for the young against the old is only going to spike.
The EU will be better off without England, and its reluctance and objectionism. I hope they kick us on the way out for the small islander mentality, and then welcome Scotland in with open arms when they inevitably tell the UK to go hang itself.
David Cameron gambled and lost. His short term thinking has caused immeasurable harm to this country. Thanks heavens the casual Prime Minister has gone, but the replacement line up isn't looking good.
AppleInsider said: That will likely make an independent UK familiar territory for Apple, which has done business in Europe for many years prior to the establishment of the EU.
The EU was established in 1957 with the UK joining it in 1973.
Unelected Eurocrats? What about the House of Lords, are they elected by the people? The UK made a big mistake and it will have great implication for years. Instead of being part of a united Europe many people in the UK still dream of an Empire that does`t exist anymore.
Just to set things straight because you seem very uninformed:
The House of Lords has NOTHING to do with the EU!!! The ruling EU MEPs are NOT elected and rule over all the EU countries from Brussels. Withing the UK the Members of Parliament (MPs) ARE elected but the HOUSE of Lords members are NOT!
MEP's aren't elected? I think you might want to read up on the organisation that you're criticising, you don't seem to know much about it.
The Parliament, where the MEPs sit, is directly elected. The Council is made up of delegates appointed by the heads of state, so is indirectly democractic. The Commission is not elected, it is appointed, like the House of Lords, or the Civil Service. The Court and the Bank are run like a national Supreme Court or Bank, and are not elected.
The EU is a big organisation, and is complicated, but it's about as democractic as you'd expect it to be, pretty much on the same level as most national governments.
You reap what you sow. I think a lot of English people are going to regret this single issue voting before too long, especially the fools that used this as a protest vote without thinking that it might actually pass. And anger for the young against the old is only going to spike.
The EU will be better off without England, and its reluctance and objectionism. I hope they kick us on the way out for the small islander mentality, and then welcome Scotland in with open arms when they inevitably tell the UK to go hang itself.
David Cameron gambled and lost. His short term thinking has caused immeasurable harm to this country. Thanks heavens the casual Prime Minister has gone, but the replacement line up isn't looking good.
Welcome Scotland? Who wants Scotland in the EU? They will be subject to the same accession negotiations imposed to Croatia, Turkey and alike, once they leave the UK...
You reap what you sow. I think a lot of English people are going to regret this single issue voting before too long, especially the fools that used this as a protest vote without thinking that it might actually pass. And anger for the young against the old is only going to spike.
The EU will be better off without England, and its reluctance and objectionism. I hope they kick us on the way out for the small islander mentality, and then welcome Scotland in with open arms when they inevitably tell the UK to go hang itself.
David Cameron gambled and lost. His short term thinking has caused immeasurable harm to this country. Thanks heavens the casual Prime Minister has gone, but the replacement line up isn't looking good.
Welcome Scotland? Who wants Scotland in the EU? They will be subject to the same accession negotiations imposed to Croatia, Turkey and alike, once they leave the UK...
They may be, they may not. Croatia and Turkey have never been in the EU. Scotland has, and voted to stay in, but are being dragged out of it by the UK. If they were to reapply after separating from the UK there may well be different arrangements, as this is unprecedented.
Welcome Scotland? Who wants Scotland in the EU? They will be subject to the same accession negotiations imposed to Croatia, Turkey and alike, once they leave the UK...
They may be, they may not. Croatia and Turkey have never been in the EU. Scotland has, and voted to stay in, but are being dragged out of it by the UK. If they were to reapply after separating from the UK there may well be different arrangements, as this is unprecedented.
Things do not work like that. They won't say, "You were once a honorable member of the EU within the UK, so here is your place on the table." They will rather say "Go to the end of the queue.." :-)
They may be, they may not. Croatia and Turkey have never been in the EU. Scotland has, and voted to stay in, but are being dragged out of it by the UK. If they were to reapply after separating from the UK there may well be different arrangements, as this is unprecedented.
Things do not work like that. They won't say, "You were once a honorable member of the EU within the UK, so here is your place on the table." They will rather say "Go to the of the queue.." :-)
No, they will be told 'welcome to the front of the queue, your application will be fast-tracked and the result is certain' because It would be such a massive nose thumbing at England they couldn't resist such a golden opportunity.
Things do not work like that. They won't say, "You were once a honorable member of the EU within the UK, so here is your place on the table." They will rather say "Go to the of the queue.." :-)
No, they will be told 'welcome to the front of the queue, your application will be fast-tracked and the result is certain' because It would be such a massive nose thumbing at England they couldn't resist such a golden opportunity.
The Scottish Prime Minister said they need a signal from the EU for that (i.e. their leaving)... That signal is unlikely to come in a near future...
GB exit of the EU is definitive, don't suggest anything else. The scaremongering without basis certainly didn't help the 'stay' campaign. Warnings by world leaders didn't help things either; especially Obama made an absolute ass of himself by threatening the Brits to stay and adding that they would be last in line with new trade treaty's with the US (TTIP seems to be the most undemocratic future treaty ever and seems to be centered around the idea to give large corporations more power than governments, so we have to buy iPhones or whatever in the future without choice of our own); after the fact, the US changed tone: it was business as usual and no problem at all. Wow! I would say, cudos to all Brits voting to leave EU. Never look back to this cesspool of bureaucratic layers and cover up of Germany to rule it all. Now the hope is that more countries can vote to opt out and decide there own future.
They may be, they may not. Croatia and Turkey have never been in the EU. Scotland has, and voted to stay in, but are being dragged out of it by the UK. If they were to reapply after separating from the UK there may well be different arrangements, as this is unprecedented.
Things do not work like that. They won't say, "You were once a honorable member of the EU within the UK, so here is your place on the table." They will rather say "Go to the end of the queue.." :-)
You work there? You can predict the future?
It's diplomacy. Things work how they are negotiated to work, and we're talking about something years away, and many things can change.
GB exit of the EU is definitive, don't suggest anything else.
UK, not GB. Exit hasn't happened yet. Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet. Definitive of what? What are you even replying to?
Wow even more... But he, whatever, altough I know Northern Ireland is sensitive for some (*) But thanks for the semantics; I think you know what I mean with definitive. If article 50 isn't triggered it's clear we have no democracy, this will spark even more mistrust and Revolution in the end. I replied to this article, you clearly didn't read it if you don't understand my remark.
Sour grapes? Any?
(*) By the way, one possible and even probable possibility is that Northern Ireland will split of like Scotland and join the rest of Ireland and as a consequence the EU.
GB exit of the EU is definitive, don't suggest anything else. The scaremongering without basis certainly didn't help the 'stay' campaign. Warnings by world leaders didn't help things either; especially Obama made an absolute ass of himself by threatening the Brits to stay and adding that they would be last in line with new trade treaty's with the US (TTIP seems to be the most undemocratic future treaty ever and seems to be centered around the idea to give large corporations more power than governments, so we have to buy iPhones or whatever in the future without choice of our own); after the fact, the US changed tone: it was business as usual and no problem at all. Wow! I would say, cudos to all Brits voting to leave EU. Never look back to this cesspool of bureaucratic layers and cover up of Germany to rule it all. Now the hope is that more countries can vote to opt out and decide there own future.
No rational arguments were ever going to convince the "leave" campaigners of the folly of exiting the EU, just as no rational, empirical economic or sociological data would ever convince Trump supporters of the folly of their ways. The "leave" supporters were overwhelmingly older, whiter, and lesser educated (including a significant number of blue-collar working-class people) - the same demographic that supports Donald Trump in the United States. These "leave" supporters were simply voting on the basis of xenophobia and parochialism. When asked in numerous "person on the street" interviews on Sky TV, BBC, or ITV why the subject voted to leave, they usually responded with some vague, unquantifiable nonsense like "Britain ain't Britain no more" or "We can't take so many immigrants". Of course, returning to my point about empirical data, more immigration comes into the UK from outside the EU rather than from within. But, if these typical "leave" supporters had been presented with that data, they probably would've just shrieked "Eurocrats!"and trundled away to shoo kids off of their lawns.
UK, not GB. Exit hasn't happened yet. Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet. Definitive of what? What are you even replying to?
Wow even more... But he, whatever, altough I know Northern Ireland is sensitive for some (*) But thanks for the semantics; I think you know what I mean with definitive. If article 50 isn't triggered it's clear we have no democracy, this will spark even more mistrust and Revolution in the end. I replied to this article, you clearly didn't read it if you don't understand my remark.
Sour grapes? Any?
(*) By the way, one possible and even probable possibility is that Northern Ireland will split of like Scotland and join the rest of Ireland and as a consequence the EU.
No sour grapes, I'm just not sure what you mean by definitive. Definitive of what? Do you just mean that the vote means we have to do it? I'm not sure anyone is arguing otherwise. As you didn't quote any particular passage from the article I don't know what you're replying to.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
As as for the EU, screw them. They are the one responsible for lead free solder in electronics. The directive that resulted in lead free electronics is a prime example off over reach by a bunch of government ministers.
By by the way it isn't a matter of of lead being good, it obviously isn't. The problem is rather that you shouldn't mandate something until a viable replacement is at hand. Instead we got years of unreliable electronics.
To to some this may seem extreme but the lead free solder is alone one good reason to want to see the breakup of the EU. When you have regulators drawing up new laws just for the hell of it, or without thought about the conchs quenches of their actions, you have problems. I feel for the people of the U.K., living on a Small island isnt the same as living on the mainland. You need enough local control to address the realities placed upon you by the land.
So how does a Brit company sell into the EU now if it reverts to the old style Solder? Personally, I'm glad to see the back of lead. I can remember gasping in shock at the lead Water pipes I found in the first house I bought. Whatever we do, anyone selling into the EU will sull have to abide by EU rules and regs. So what has changed eh? Nowt really. Then there is Farage and his 'oh silly me, I got that £350 million wrong' gaffe. How many votes out because of that blatant lie eh? This move will take use at least a decade to resolve. I'm wondering it I'll be able to afford to retire when I'm 65 in two years simple because of this IMHO stupid move. I'm with the young who mostl voted to stay.
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Look, Leave won. Suck it up, deal with it, move on. As in any such process, the majority won. There were no rigged votes. Calling them names ("stupid old white people") does nothing except exacerbate divisions. Throwing a hissy fit because you lost is what's stupid. As is pretending that this does not create MAJOR problems for the UK, at least in the short run, just because people "had their say".
Adults should focus on what this new reality means, and how the UK (which will probably be minus Scotland sometime soon) can make it work in the long haul. Moreover, the EU bureaucracy needs to do some serious navel-gazing on why it is that a country like the UK left, and what it needs to do prevent more such occurrences. (They also brought it on themselves.)
The EU will be better off without England, and its reluctance and objectionism. I hope they kick us on the way out for the small islander mentality, and then welcome Scotland in with open arms when they inevitably tell the UK to go hang itself.
David Cameron gambled and lost. His short term thinking has caused immeasurable harm to this country. Thanks heavens the casual Prime Minister has gone, but the replacement line up isn't looking good.
The Parliament, where the MEPs sit, is directly elected. The Council is made up of delegates appointed by the heads of state, so is indirectly democractic. The Commission is not elected, it is appointed, like the House of Lords, or the Civil Service. The Court and the Bank are run like a national Supreme Court or Bank, and are not elected.
The EU is a big organisation, and is complicated, but it's about as democractic as you'd expect it to be, pretty much on the same level as most national governments.
The scaremongering without basis certainly didn't help the 'stay' campaign.
Warnings by world leaders didn't help things either; especially Obama made an absolute ass of himself by threatening the Brits to stay and adding that they would be last in line with new trade treaty's with the US (TTIP seems to be the most undemocratic future treaty ever and seems to be centered around the idea to give large corporations more power than governments, so we have to buy iPhones or whatever in the future without choice of our own); after the fact, the US changed tone: it was business as usual and no problem at all. Wow!
I would say, cudos to all Brits voting to leave EU.
Never look back to this cesspool of bureaucratic layers and cover up of Germany to rule it all.
Now the hope is that more countries can vote to opt out and decide there own future.
Exit hasn't happened yet. Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet.
Definitive of what?
What are you even replying to?
It's diplomacy. Things work how they are negotiated to work, and we're talking about something years away, and many things can change.
But thanks for the semantics; I think you know what I mean with definitive.
If article 50 isn't triggered it's clear we have no democracy, this will spark even more mistrust and Revolution in the end.
I replied to this article, you clearly didn't read it if you don't understand my remark.
Sour grapes? Any?
(*) By the way, one possible and even probable possibility is that Northern Ireland will split of like Scotland and join the rest of Ireland and as a consequence the EU.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
Personally, I'm glad to see the back of lead. I can remember gasping in shock at the lead Water pipes I found in the first house I bought.
Whatever we do, anyone selling into the EU will sull have to abide by EU rules and regs.
So what has changed eh? Nowt really.
Then there is Farage and his 'oh silly me, I got that £350 million wrong' gaffe. How many votes out because of that blatant lie eh?
This move will take use at least a decade to resolve. I'm wondering it I'll be able to afford to retire when I'm 65 in two years simple because of this IMHO stupid move. I'm with the young who mostl voted to stay.