Apple's management doesn't want Nvidia support in macOS, and that's a bad sign for the Mac...

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  • Reply 101 of 114
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 4,196administrator
    gnnoni said:
    I don't believe this functions under Mojave.
  • Reply 102 of 114
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,949member
    michelb76 said:
    Which for some people is pointless if it doesn't support CUDA. Or if you can no longer dualboot into windows to plays games. Dumbing down pro machines has never worked for anyone. I'd welcome an Apple GPU in a macbook pro or consumer machine though.
    This assumes they care about that, though.

    Mike Wuerthele said:
    Perhaps, but I don't think that there's any argument to be made that iOS devices have stopped selling, or that there's any danger that the installed base is somehow going to fade into oblivion at any time in the next decade or two.
    No, but if it's all about growth, it could make Wall Street unhappy.

    ... Yes, Win10 is no MacOS but it is far from the nightmare of previous versions and for me the benefits of cheap powerful hardware trumps the OS every time. ...
    For sure. If you can do w/o macOS as part of your regular workflow, go PC. Or, maybe a Mac and PC, and let the PC do the heavy lifting. But, if we want to do most of our work on/with macOS, then we're kind of stuck with what Apple gives us.
  • Reply 103 of 114

    ... Yes, Win10 is no MacOS but it is far from the nightmare of previous versions and for me the benefits of cheap powerful hardware trumps the OS every time. ...
    For sure. If you can do w/o macOS as part of your regular workflow, go PC. Or, maybe a Mac and PC, and let the PC do the heavy lifting. But, if we want to do most of our work on/with macOS, then we're kind of stuck with what Apple gives us.
    That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do to have the best of both worlds. I still have 2x Mac Pros, an iMac and MacBook Pro but they've become dust collectors in a very short time. I planned to do all 3D animation work on the PC and edit on the Mac side but the PC was so much faster at all media tasks, night and day faster, that I do all professional work on the PC. My Macs are relegated to iTunes and Twitter.

    I thought I would hate Win10 but I don't, it's not quite as good or consistent as MacOS but I'm quite happy to make a small sacrifice on the OS to have access to hardware that is in a different league faster and at a fraction of the cost of the best Pro level Mac Apple can produce.

    There is a malaise at Apple, we've seen it with botched MBP keyboards and now failing screens along with the scam of the i9 CPU option and charging $300 to have a CPU that cannot be cooled sufficiently to make it at all a worthwhile option. Apple is no longer the company that pulled me away from PCs in the first place.

    I don't rule out buying Macs in the future but Apple are going to have to make an extremely compelling argument and it'll have to be more than a prettier OS.
  • Reply 104 of 114
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,949member
    UrbaneLegend said:
    That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do to have the best of both worlds. I still have 2x Mac Pros, an iMac and MacBook Pro but they've become dust collectors in a very short time. I planned to do all 3D animation work on the PC and edit on the Mac side but the PC was so much faster at all media tasks, night and day faster, that I do all professional work on the PC. My Macs are relegated to iTunes and Twitter.

    I thought I would hate Win10 but I don't, it's not quite as good or consistent as MacOS but I'm quite happy to make a small sacrifice on the OS to have access to hardware that is in a different league faster and at a fraction of the cost of the best Pro level Mac Apple can produce.

    There is a malaise at Apple, we've seen it with botched MBP keyboards and now failing screens along with the scam of the i9 CPU option and charging $300 to have a CPU that cannot be cooled sufficiently to make it at all a worthwhile option. Apple is no longer the company that pulled me away from PCs in the first place.

    I don't rule out buying Macs in the future but Apple are going to have to make an extremely compelling argument and it'll have to be more than a prettier OS.
    Agreed, especially if you do the vast majority of your work in a single or few specific apps. Then, you kind of make-do for the rest of your workflow. The problem comes in more when you're doing a good portion of your workflow across several apps and disciplines, then you probably either want both machines or will put up with a loss of performance to just be on the Mac.

    re: Windows 10 - Yeah, sort of. Again, it probably depends on how much you're in a particular app. But, there are just things that daily bug me down to small levels about how the OS is setup. For example, even things like cut/paste are harder on Windows (ie: key placement for Apple-C vs ctrl-C), or stuff like the control boxes for closing windows. I'm sure muscle-memory eventually helps that, but they just aren't as good from the get-go.

    It is a heck of a lot easier to use than it even was a couple years ago (ie: Windows 10 improved that much itself, not just Windows 10 vs previous versions). But, the registry is still there and the rest of the ugliness isn't buried too deep. For example, I had to start over on my setup of the CAD app I'm using, as the install went awry and I just didn't trust trying to fix that, knowing what happens behind the scenes.

    re: Apple - Yeah, it's a different company for better or worse. Some love that, some hate it, but it's not the same Apple. It's kind of a mixed bag, even for me. But, ultimately, if they can't keep that Steve-inspired soul alive of fasciation with technology and improving the world, along with primary focus on UX, they'll just be the next has-been corporate entity at some point.
  • Reply 105 of 114
    cgWerks said:
    But, ultimately, if they can't keep that Steve-inspired soul alive of fasciation with technology and improving the world, along with primary focus on UX, they'll just be the next has-been corporate entity at some point.
    Doomed, are they?
  • Reply 106 of 114
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,949member
    cgWerks said:
    But, ultimately, if they can't keep that Steve-inspired soul alive of fasciation with technology and improving the world, along with primary focus on UX, they'll just be the next has-been corporate entity at some point.
    Doomed, are they?
    At that point, it hardly matters. They can be gone, or be a $10 Trillion company... who cares?
  • Reply 107 of 114
    jddhjddh Posts: 2member
    How about us shmucks who own units circa MacBookPro11,3 that paid top-dollar to max-out the performance of their MacBook Pros? These were released in 2014 with Nvidia cards! And we are stuck back in Sierra because Apple has dropped support for them.

    I can begrudgingly understand if Apple doesn't want to support Nvidia cards in eGPUs — they weren't supported to begin with. But dropping graphics support for 4-year-old laptops that were 100% built by Apple is user-hostile and bad bad bad.
  • Reply 108 of 114
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 2,412member
    jddh said:
    How about us shmucks who own units circa MacBookPro11,3 that paid top-dollar to max-out the performance of their MacBook Pros? These were released in 2014 with Nvidia cards! And we are stuck back in Sierra because Apple has dropped support for them.

    I can begrudgingly understand if Apple doesn't want to support Nvidia cards in eGPUs — they weren't supported to begin with. But dropping graphics support for 4-year-old laptops that were 100% built by Apple is user-hostile and bad bad bad.
    Not sure why you'd think it's not supported, all MBPs 2012 onward are supported by Mojave.

    https://everymac.com/mac-answers/macos-mojave-faq/macos-mojave-1014-compatible-macs-system-requirements.html


  • Reply 109 of 114
    There is no reason for apple not to work with Nvidia to make drivers available.  This is just plain inexcusable.  Apple doesn't make any video cards so there is no competitive reason to exclude them.  Tim Cook should be ashamed of himself and Nvidia should stop posturing and get to work.  We the customers are the ones who suffer.  Maybe now that Apple is learning that they are not God and Nvidia is also not invincible they should work together and stop all this strip silliness.  
  • Reply 110 of 114
    tvleavitttvleavitt Posts: 2unconfirmed, member
    Apple's decision to block Nvidia from releasing drivers that it, and basically it alone, has responsibility for coding and supporting, is baffling. There's no issue of additional support requirements here... at least none that rise to any level of significance, given that Nvidia is more than capable of providing Apple with all the resources necessary to compensate for any support needed from them in the process of making drivers available for OS X, and Nvidia supports the end user. Nvidia has obviously successfully supported OS X through multiple revisions, all the way up to High Sierra, and there's no evidence that this has caused undue problems. Anyone using an eGPU or a PCIe card in older Mac Pros is well aware that these are not Apple products, and that the company to go to for support is not Apple, but the video card vendor. There's no difference, in that respect, with AMD, in how this breaks the standard "single point of support" 100% controlled platform paradigm that Apple usually operates under. In fact, any device connected via an external Thunderbolt expansion box is also going to break that paradigm, and people plug plenty of things besides video cards into these boxes, with the full understanding that they need to go to the vendor for support.
    cgWerks
  • Reply 111 of 114
    jddh said:
    How about us shmucks who own units circa MacBookPro11,3 that paid top-dollar to max-out the performance of their MacBook Pros? These were released in 2014 with Nvidia cards! And we are stuck back in Sierra because Apple has dropped support for them.

    I can begrudgingly understand if Apple doesn't want to support Nvidia cards in eGPUs — they weren't supported to begin with. But dropping graphics support for 4-year-old laptops that were 100% built by Apple is user-hostile and bad bad bad.
    Not sure why you'd think it's not supported, all MBPs 2012 onward are supported by Mojave.

    https://everymac.com/mac-answers/macos-mojave-faq/macos-mojave-1014-compatible-macs-system-requirements.html


    Supported, but broken: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/any-news-about-the-macbook-pro-nvidia-gpu-lag-yet.2088300/
  • Reply 112 of 114
    Adrian RAdrian R Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    I'm still using my 2010 Mac Pro almost every day. It's got a MacVidCads GTX 980 in it. I was considering an upgade to a 1080, but that's on hold now. We use CUDA at work and it's been very annoying that there are no recent Macs with Nvidia. I find that I'm just using W10 more and more, even though I don't like it. MacOS is nice, but if the hardware isn't there, it will not sell and erode the MacOS ecosystem to the point where developers leave and that includes the iOS developers.
  • Reply 113 of 114
    LatkoLatko Posts: 240member
    Whatever.
    (under Tim the Mac degraded to a Twitter/FaceBook client - which is his intellectual perspective)
    edited March 7
  • Reply 114 of 114
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 2,412member
    Latko said:
    Whatever.
    (under Tim the Mac degraded to a Twitter/FaceBook client - which is his intellectual perspective)
    Yours must be broken — I do a hell of a lot more than that with mine.
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