China ready to retaliate against Apple after U.S. moves to ban chip shipments to Huawei

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  • Reply 21 of 91
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,100member
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




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  • Reply 22 of 91
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,899member
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    It will interface with the Huawei Hi-Car module due to ship on 118 car models starting this June. 

    Parts of it are also tucked away in EMUI. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/

    The U.S cannot pull the 'Open Source' out of China (at least realistically). Huawei is an international company with non-Chinese companies all over the place. 

    For example, my data (and everyone else's in the EU) is managed by Aspiegel. An Irish company (owned by Huawei). 

    FWIW, In theory at least, HarmonyOS itself should go fully Open Source by August this year. 

    edited May 2020 toysandmeronnprismatics
  • Reply 23 of 91
    XedXed Posts: 2,705member
    avon b7 said:
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 
    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/
    Thanks for the heads up. I'l be sure to look for Harmony OS and then avoid it like the plague.
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  • Reply 24 of 91
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    Funny how these assholes drag retaliate on Apple even though they have no part in it. Even iKnockoff fans get wet thinking of how Apple can get destroyed by cheap Chinese knockoffs due to a problem that doesn't involve Apple.

    If the U.S. patent system WORKED we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. If you don't see why, you're not thinking far or holistically enough.  We wouldn't be giving money to thieves in the first place who in turn used that money to become powerful.

    lkrupp said:
    With the number of Huawei cheerleaders both here and in Europe I wonder what happens when it’s proven without a doubt that Huawei tech is used for espionage by the CCP? Think about it and use common sense. For a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship the temptation is simply too irresistible to ignore, especially when there will be no repercussions when it is proven. 
    draenar said:
    The big question here will be what positions will the presidential candidates take.

    If this becomes a public issue, the US public will stand up for the US, and the country will not cave.

    If left to backroom politics, the story may be very different.


    The problem is, no one hates America more than Americans. I've seen iKnockoff morons say they hope the U.S.(their own) economy takes a huge hit so Apple can go down with it. I mean these people are that stupid and that jealous of the iPhone/iPad inventor. So much so that they praise knockoffs and call them "original".


    "That ban inspired a "Boycott Apple" movement in China, with some companies in the country threatening to fire employees who used the company's products instead of Chinese ones."

    Jealousy knows no end. Hating Apple for what the U.S. does is dumb. Now if only they can keep Huawei CEOs from using Apple products, they refuse to use cheap Chinese knockoffs.
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  • Reply 25 of 91
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member

    avon b7 said:
    Anilu_777 said:
    lkrupp said:
    With the number of Huawei cheerleaders both here and in Europe I wonder what happens when it’s proven without a doubt that Huawei tech is used for espionage by the CCP? Think about it and use common sense. For a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship the temptation is simply too irresistible to ignore, especially when there will be no repercussions when it is proven. 
    The problem is (and I’m agreeing with you) that by the time Huawei has managed to convince enough governments to allow it to build and sell infrastructure it’s too costly and too late to pull it out. We have to be prudent and have foresight to prevent it. 

    And Apple will need to shift more production to Vietnam and other places to make sure it’s not affected by the CCP policies as well as American ones. It seems Apple is caught in the middle - seen as American even though its contract with Foxconn creates thousands of jobs for Chinese workers, and seen as Chinese by American policy makers for that same reason. 
    Apple also wants to sell in China. What good is moving production if you lose access to one of your biggest markets?

    If Huawei phones can't be distributed fairly in the U.S. why can't China do exactly the same with iPhones?

    Just two years ago AT&T was fired up and ready to give Huawei it first major carrier distribution deal on U.S soil. Then it was pressured out of the deal by government.

    As for Boeing, if things weren't already bad enough (the MAX fiasco), China just cancelled orders for nearly 30 MAX aircraft and the prospect of losing all Boeing orders from China (trillions of dollar's worth over the coming decades) would destroy the commercial aviation business in the U.S. Of course Airbus is salivating right now having had a special delegation working with China for over a year already.

    Let's not forget that trillions of dollars (euros!) going to Airbus would not come 'free' . Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.



    Apple has NOTHING to do with this crap. Of course iKnockoff cheerleaders get excited of the possibility of Apple losing orders to cheap knockoffs. The problem with China is a lot of people are waking up to their lying, cheating, stealing culture. The Coronavirus has really allowed China to show it's true colors and people are taking note.
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  • Reply 26 of 91
    KuyangkohKuyangkoh Posts: 838member
    mac_dog said:
    Xed said:
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president it's insane to think "he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate."
    I’m sure those 4 (and counting) bankruptcies helped him become a better businessman. I guess bankruptcies are ok if you have money to spare...Er...hide it. 
    Even Apple asked help from Microsoft when in troubled....not all successful businesses or businessesmans dont have failured.....
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  • Reply 27 of 91
    XedXed Posts: 2,705member
    Kuyangkoh said:
    mac_dog said:
    Xed said:
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president it's insane to think "he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate."
    I’m sure those 4 (and counting) bankruptcies helped him become a better businessman. I guess bankruptcies are ok if you have money to spare...Er...hide it. 
    Even Apple asked help from Microsoft when in troubled....not all successful businesses or businessesmans dont have failured…..
    WOW! There's so much wrong with that comment, including your odd 4 and 5 dot ellipses.
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  • Reply 28 of 91
    jmulchinojmulchino Posts: 57member
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    Ah . . . well Georgie, excuse me if anyone who disagrees with you is “ignorant”, but Trump is NOT a successful businessman. And It wasn’t the Chinese who infiltrated US markets and moved jobs offshore. Trump is as guilty as the next corporate CEO. He’s just more clever at doing his ju jitsu move, convincing unemployed workers who lost their jobs in the process. 
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  • Reply 29 of 91
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,100member
    avon b7 said:
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    It will interface with the Huawei Hi-Car module due to ship on 118 car models starting this June. 

    Parts of it are also tucked away in EMUI. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/

    The U.S cannot pull the 'Open Source' out of China (at least realistically). Huawei is an international company with non-Chinese companies all over the place. 

    For example, my data (and everyone else's in the EU) is managed by Aspiegel. An Irish company (owned by Huawei). 

    FWIW, In theory at least, HarmonyOS itself should go fully Open Source by August this year. 


    Of course Android open source can be pulled from Chinese mfg.   At best, it will be forked and China will be on its own having to learn to develop and support a large scale OS which it has never done before.   The market for that Chinese OS outside of China would be about "0".    Do you really think India would ever allow it? 

    And, how is the Huawei app ecosystem coming along?      How are they doing replicating all the Google apps and services that come with 'standard' Android?    Why have they not brought this OS to their cellphones? 


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  • Reply 30 of 91
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,899member
    red oak said:
    avon b7 said:
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    It will interface with the Huawei Hi-Car module due to ship on 118 car models starting this June. 

    Parts of it are also tucked away in EMUI. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/

    The U.S cannot pull the 'Open Source' out of China (at least realistically). Huawei is an international company with non-Chinese companies all over the place. 

    For example, my data (and everyone else's in the EU) is managed by Aspiegel. An Irish company (owned by Huawei). 

    FWIW, In theory at least, HarmonyOS itself should go fully Open Source by August this year. 


    Of course Android open source can be pulled from Chinese mfg.   At best, it will be forked and China will be on its own having to learn to develop and support a large scale OS which it has never done before.   The market for that Chinese OS outside of China would be about "0".    Do you really think India would ever allow it? 

    And, how is the Huawei app ecosystem coming along?      How are they doing replicating all the Google apps and services that come with 'standard' Android?    Why have they not brought this OS to their cellphones? 


    I think you are confused or mixing things up. 

    It won't be China that has to learn to develop a large scale OS. It would be Huawei

    However, they are already doing that and HarmonyOS would simply mean baking the whole cake.

    As for why HarmonyOS isn't on cellphones, they have made many comments on the subject but trying to cover all the bases. The official line is that they would prefer to continue their work with Android and that's what Google says too. Reading between the lines, I think it's clear that it is coming. Some rumours even point to this autumn. 

    I think you are seriously underestimating the complexity of EMUI, how it ties in with Android today and the extras it adds to the system. For example, when Huawei released the NPU, it developed its own runtime while also supporting the stock Android runtime. Beyond that support and looking in the other direction to huge AI compute platforms on the Ascend line of processors for example, they introduced the DaVinci architecture and Mindspore. Ascend scales down from huge AI clusters (Ascend 910 on Atlas 900) right down through everything below it, passing through phones and stopping at Ascend Nano for earbuds and the like.

    The App ecosystem is coming along very nicely. Incredible what they have done in less than 12 months. They actually claim that HMS is more secure than GMS. They have signed TomTom, Here and (as you mentioned India) MapMyIndia, to cover the loss of Google Maps. In the process they have given a huge boost to Google Maps competitors. 

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/04/26/huawei-surprises-millions-of-users-with-stunning-google-alternative/#89003a655b06

    Huawei AppGallery takes less of a cut from developers than Apple or Google stores.

    The Huawei Assistant will break out of China to cover the loss of Google Assistant. 

    Of course Google lobbied hard to be able to do business with Huawei and applied for a licence. It stands to lose billions in revenue as a result of not being able to do business with Huawei and see the market further divided. They had plans to release an audio device with Huawei (Co-developed) which had to be shelved. 

    App Gallery is already the third largest App Store in the world.

    It is not a 100% replacement for GMS just yet, but it is getting there. 

    And, before you ask, the hardware ecosystem, it's not too shabby either:



    I'm not sure what relevance all this has to the thread. You'd do better opening your own thread if you want to take this line further. 


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  • Reply 31 of 91
    XedXed Posts: 2,705member
    Off topic: I'm looking for a browser extension that will replace the word 'Huawei' with 'hooey' on this forum.
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  • Reply 32 of 91
    Fred257Fred257 Posts: 246member
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    The U.S. government gave a green light to China years ago for cheap labor.  Supported and enabled by both Democrats and Republicans.  Whatever people hate about this president (mostly his free wheeling mouth) he has addressed this problem that has now come back to haunt us.  You can directly blame the US government in direct cooperation with companies like Apple (which has an obscene amount of money by using cheap slave labor and avoiding environmental laws) and makes its money through communism.  That’s most all large (and small) US companies.  
    cat52
  • Reply 33 of 91
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,549member
    Seriously, why can't Huawei and the NSA (and all their spooky little playmates) just sit down together and work out a common set of secret personal surveillance and data siphoning APIs and semiconductor layouts for communication equipment that mutually benefits all parties? Maybe make it a standard with a toolkit and reference implementation for others to follow. Why not get the open source community to contribute as well. Create some IEEE and IEC working groups to hash it all out and ratify it with a vote and cake cutting ceremony. Everyone likes cake.

    This is clearly an area where there are overlapping and uncoordinated efforts leading to gross inefficiency and duplication of effort. They are all trying to do the same basic thing, get into our personal shorts, but they are kind of bungling the whole deal. As consumers and the target of current and future (higher performance and less filling) surveillance worthy activities, we really should be demanding more from these service suppliers.

    The thought of my personal data and secrets being captured in a substandard, or worse yet, non-standards-compliant manner by a communication device vendor or government agency that I don't trust really makes me feel inadequate and rather deflated. If they really cared, they would figure this out and save us the ultimate humiliation of feeling unsurveilled because they missed details that we never wanted to share with them. 

    Check my EBay listings for chip disinfectants. Available in lavender, lemongrass, and Apple-wood smoked bacon scents.


    edited May 2020 Rayz2016muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 34 of 91
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,100member
    jcc said:
    red oak said:
    avon b7 said:
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    It will interface with the Huawei Hi-Car module due to ship on 118 car models starting this June. 

    Parts of it are also tucked away in EMUI. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/

    The U.S cannot pull the 'Open Source' out of China (at least realistically). Huawei is an international company with non-Chinese companies all over the place. 

    For example, my data (and everyone else's in the EU) is managed by Aspiegel. An Irish company (owned by Huawei). 

    FWIW, In theory at least, HarmonyOS itself should go fully Open Source by August this year. 


    Of course Android open source can be pulled from Chinese mfg.   At best, it will be forked and China will be on its own having to learn to develop and support a large scale OS which it has never done before.   The market for that Chinese OS outside of China would be about "0".    Do you really think India would ever allow it? 

    And, how is the Huawei app ecosystem coming along?      How are they doing replicating all the Google apps and services that come with 'standard' Android?    Why have they not brought this OS to their cellphones? 


    Are you one of those people that’s never left their little village? You do realize the the Chinese can build anything we can. In fact, they can build it better, cheaper and faster. They build an entire Manhattan every year while we’re still working around the World Trade Center 19 years after 9/11. The Chinese are laughing at our sorry asses. They are now the best builders in the world. They export their building expertise while we can’t even build simple fast rails. So, no they Don’t need us. They have more engineers of all kinds than anyone in the world. So, the only thing stupid Trump did is expedite China’s timeline to overtake Silicon Valley. They are now invested in releasing a competing OS that will overtake Android in the world. Just give them a few years. Right now, they have their own ecosystem such as WeChat that’s entirely homegrown. Your kids are crazy about TikTok which is also Chinese built. So, yea keep thinking like the ignorant Trump.
    Right.  That is why China’s entire mobile market of 800 million smartphones runs on Android + iOS.  Last I looked, both of those were made in the US.   And, let’s throw in Microsoft on the desktop just to emphasize the point 

    China is in for a world of hurt.  Anyone who thinks things are going back to the they way they were is a moron.  Every company I talk to to in the US is rapidly putting plans to move mfg out of China.  It is a house of cards 

    Name “one” world wide brand company China has ever produced.  





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  • Reply 35 of 91
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Kuyangkoh said:
    mac_dog said:
    Xed said:
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president it's insane to think "he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate."
    I’m sure those 4 (and counting) bankruptcies helped him become a better businessman. I guess bankruptcies are ok if you have money to spare...Er...hide it. 
    Even Apple asked help from Microsoft when in troubled....not all successful businesses or businessesmans dont have failured.....
    Well there are levels though. 

    Apple didn’t declare bankruptcy six times. 

    I mean, he bankrupted a casino. How moronic do you have to be to fail at taking money from other morons?
    edited May 2020 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 91
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    lkrupp said:
    I guess we’re going to find out who has the biggest set of balls. My guess? The U.S. will cave.
    You’re wrong. China is far, far more dependent on US money.

    Screw ‘em. The Chinese government should collapse because of what they did to conceal COVID-19. Their actions should be considered akin to an act of war.
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  • Reply 37 of 91
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    draenar said:
    The big question here will be what positions will the presidential candidates take.

    If this becomes a public issue, the US public will stand up for the US, and the country will not cave.

    If left to backroom politics, the story may be very different.
    The son of the presumed Democratic nominee Is already indebted to China due to a billion dollar business deal he is involved in. That’s unacceptable.
    cat52
  • Reply 38 of 91
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    Fred257 said:
    georgie01 said:
    Whatever someone thinks of Trump as president, he’s a very successful businessman and knows how to negotiate far better than anyone of us including our favourite government leaders (anyone wanting to bring up some of Trump’s business failures please spare us your ignorance).

    Growth takes sacrifice, sometimes painful, especially in a situation like this where we’re entrenched in problematic ways due to past government leaders not having the business sense or courage to stand up to China’s tactics. Regardless of what you think of Trump’s other policies, we should all be thanking him for having the courage to rock the boat with China.  
    The U.S. government gave a green light to China years ago for cheap labor.  Supported and enabled by both Democrats and Republicans.  Whatever people hate about this president (mostly his free wheeling mouth) he has addressed this problem that has now come back to haunt us.  You can directly blame the US government in direct cooperation with companies like Apple (which has an obscene amount of money by using cheap slave labor and avoiding environmental laws) and makes its money through communism.  That’s most all large (and small) US companies.  
    Is “free-wheeling mouth” a euphemism for “lying through his false teeth”? That’s why people hate him, because he lies so badly that the majority of Americans who didn’t  vote for him (he lost the popular vote by 3 million) feel as though he’s insulting their intelligence. 
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  • Reply 39 of 91
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    avon b7 said:
    Anilu_777 said:
    lkrupp said:
    With the number of Huawei cheerleaders both here and in Europe I wonder what happens when it’s proven without a doubt that Huawei tech is used for espionage by the CCP? Think about it and use common sense. For a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship the temptation is simply too irresistible to ignore, especially when there will be no repercussions when it is proven. 
    The problem is (and I’m agreeing with you) that by the time Huawei has managed to convince enough governments to allow it to build and sell infrastructure it’s too costly and too late to pull it out. We have to be prudent and have foresight to prevent it. 

    And Apple will need to shift more production to Vietnam and other places to make sure it’s not affected by the CCP policies as well as American ones. It seems Apple is caught in the middle - seen as American even though its contract with Foxconn creates thousands of jobs for Chinese workers, and seen as Chinese by American policy makers for that same reason. 
    Apple also wants to sell in China. What good is moving production if you lose access to one of your biggest markets?

    If Huawei phones can't be distributed fairly in the U.S. why can't China do exactly the same with iPhones?

    Just two years ago AT&T was fired up and ready to give Huawei it first major carrier distribution deal on U.S soil. Then it was pressured out of the deal by government.

    As for Boeing, if things weren't already bad enough (the MAX fiasco), China just cancelled orders for nearly 30 MAX aircraft and the prospect of losing all Boeing orders from China (trillions of dollar's worth over the coming decades) would destroy the commercial aviation business in the U.S. Of course Airbus is salivating right now having had a special delegation working with China for over a year already.

    Let's not forget that trillions of dollars (euros!) going to Airbus would not come 'free' . Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.


    That’s a uniquely uninformed post regarding Boeing. China only made up 13.6% of Boeing’s total revenues in 2018.
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  • Reply 40 of 91
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    jcc said:
    red oak said:
    avon b7 said:
    red oak said:
    Hey, how is that new Huawei operating system doing?  That is right - it’s a total zero 

    Wait for the US to pull all Android inc “open source” out of China.  Then the real fun will begin 

    China does not realize the hole its dug for itself.  Who in their right mind will ever build another factory there? 




    HarmonyOS 1.0 shipped last year on TVs. The kernel was on Huawei watches last year too. It is also running on some routers.

    HarmonyOS 2.0 was just released - on schedule. 

    It will interface with the Huawei Hi-Car module due to ship on 118 car models starting this June. 

    Parts of it are also tucked away in EMUI. 

    If rumours are your thing:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/02/huawei-to-replace-windows-10-with-harmonyos-2-0-in-its-pcs/

    The U.S cannot pull the 'Open Source' out of China (at least realistically). Huawei is an international company with non-Chinese companies all over the place. 

    For example, my data (and everyone else's in the EU) is managed by Aspiegel. An Irish company (owned by Huawei). 

    FWIW, In theory at least, HarmonyOS itself should go fully Open Source by August this year. 


    Of course Android open source can be pulled from Chinese mfg.   At best, it will be forked and China will be on its own having to learn to develop and support a large scale OS which it has never done before.   The market for that Chinese OS outside of China would be about "0".    Do you really think India would ever allow it? 

    And, how is the Huawei app ecosystem coming along?      How are they doing replicating all the Google apps and services that come with 'standard' Android?    Why have they not brought this OS to their cellphones? 


    Are you one of those people that’s never left their little village? You do realize the the Chinese can build anything we can. In fact, they can build it better, cheaper and faster. They build an entire Manhattan every year while we’re still working around the World Trade Center 19 years after 9/11. The Chinese are laughing at our sorry asses. They are now the best builders in the world. They export their building expertise while we can’t even build simple fast rails. So, no they Don’t need us. They have more engineers of all kinds than anyone in the world. So, the only thing stupid Trump did is expedite China’s timeline to overtake Silicon Valley. They are now invested in releasing a competing OS that will overtake Android in the world. Just give them a few years. Right now, they have their own ecosystem such as WeChat that’s entirely homegrown. Your kids are crazy about TikTok which is also Chinese built. So, yea keep thinking like the ignorant Trump.
    Oh, boy. The Fifty Cent Army is really out in force today. Today’s China is in the position they’re in due to long history of IP theft. They outright ape and steal every successful brand in the world and flood markets with shabby knockoffs.
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