Apple doesn’t like this, but once again China has bent Apple to their will. China will abuse the Apple CSAM technology using the same methods, to root out key dissidents.
Oi! It's never been a part of the PRC and was a Japanese colony for 50 years (1895-1945). For more than 75 years it's been independent no matter what the communist oligarchs proclaim. So Taiwan is not trying to make its own history. It's continuing its history.
Taiwan represents China in UN until 1972. Is that Taiwan history? If it is not a part of China how could it do that?
So, you're going to gloss over 1895-1945. You're going to gloss over the fact that the commies never possessed nor controlled Taiwan in any shape or form.
Modern day Taiwan is/was run by the losers of the China civil war that put Mao in control of the mainland. The losers fled to Taiwan but refused to concede defeat and claimed that they were the real China. When that nonsense didn't work they settled for being an autonomous region and mostly left alone. Everybody was satisfied with that situation till Trump did what Trump does: stirred up the hornet's nest and told them to declare themselves an independent nation.
While he implied to them that the U.S. would support them, there was no way even Trump would dare take on China in their own back yard. So, he simply led them down a rabbit hole.
The U.S. is once again going to look like fools when they push China a little too hard and China retakes Taiwan by force and the Americans say: "Gee! We gave them training and equipment. We don't understand how they could be crushed in a matter of days".
You can be sure that the lessons of Afghanistan were not lost on either China or Taiwan.
For us this is an abstract political ideology thing. For China, this is their home. I wouldn't bet against them. They will no more give up Taiwan than we would give up Florida (although that last is a tempting idea in light of their crazy governor)
Although there are different voices in China, Xi has declared more than once that he will seek to reunify Taiwan peacefully. China haters try to gloss over what Xi said and try to make impression to the world that China try to take over Taiwan by force.
Yes, if necessary, they will unify peacefully. But China has made it very clear it will use force if necessary.
But, the question is: will it be necessary? China, Taiwan and the world were quite happy under the autonomous region concept. But, those calling for independence for Taiwan are ending that arrangement. if they push that too far, China will do whatever it has to do -- but Taiwan will never be fully independent of China.
I have to wonder if those calling for an independent Taiwan don't understand that -- or if the do understand and don't care. Either way, they are provoking war. A war that Taiwan and the U.S. can only lose.
Oi! It's never been a part of the PRC and was a Japanese colony for 50 years (1895-1945). For more than 75 years it's been independent no matter what the communist oligarchs proclaim. So Taiwan is not trying to make its own history. It's continuing its history.
Taiwan represents China in UN until 1972. Is that Taiwan history? If it is not a part of China how could it do that?
So, you're going to gloss over 1895-1945. You're going to gloss over the fact that the commies never possessed nor controlled Taiwan in any shape or form.
Modern day Taiwan is/was run by the losers of the China civil war that put Mao in control of the mainland. The losers fled to Taiwan but refused to concede defeat and claimed that they were the real China. When that nonsense didn't work they settled for being an autonomous region and mostly left alone. Everybody was satisfied with that situation till Trump did what Trump does: stirred up the hornet's nest and told them to declare themselves an independent nation.
While he implied to them that the U.S. would support them, there was no way even Trump would dare take on China in their own back yard. So, he simply led them down a rabbit hole.
The U.S. is once again going to look like fools when they push China a little too hard and China retakes Taiwan by force and the Americans say: "Gee! We gave them training and equipment. We don't understand how they could be crushed in a matter of days".
You can be sure that the lessons of Afghanistan were not lost on either China or Taiwan.
For us this is an abstract political ideology thing. For China, this is their home. I wouldn't bet against them. They will no more give up Taiwan than we would give up Florida (although that last is a tempting idea in light of their crazy governor)
Although there are different voices in China, Xi has declared more than once that he will seek to reunify Taiwan peacefully. China haters try to gloss over what Xi said and try to make impression to the world that China try to take over Taiwan by force.
Yes, if necessary, they will unify peacefully. But China has made it very clear it will use force if necessary.
But, the question is: will it be necessary? China, Taiwan and the world were quite happy under the autonomous region concept. But, those calling for independence for Taiwan are ending that arrangement. if they push that too far, China will do whatever it has to do -- but Taiwan will never be fully independent of China.
I have to wonder if those calling for an independent Taiwan don't understand that -- or if the do understand and don't care. Either way, they are provoking war. A war that Taiwan and the U.S. can only lose.
What are you talking about, Taiwan is fully independent of China in. every meaningful sense. Who is even calling for independence of Taiwan when Taiwan is already independent?
There is no "autonomous region", the PRC claims that there is one legitimate China including Taiwan, and the PRC are in charge; the ROC claims that there is one legitimate China including Taiwan and the ROC are in charge. The peace of the last 50 years has been predicated on them holding their positions and agreeing to disagree, but otherwise leaving each other alone. They are both independent of each other.
The only war will come from the PRC breaking that accord and making moves on Taiwan.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
Given that the Mao Zedong didn't even become a Communist until 1921, and the CCP didn't exist when Japan was in possession of Formosa, now the country of Taiwan, I'm not seeing much of anything that "legally" supports the PRC's ownership of Taiwan.
Thankfully, the West supports Taiwan's democracy, more so since Xi Jinping came into power, demonstrating his will by crushing Hong Kong's democracy.
No peaceful unification is possible, and Xi will have no choice other than invasion. But the risks of failure are high, and the world will certainly turn away from China if that happens. Time is running out for Xi, and the U.S. exiting Afghanistan gives even more resources to constraining China's military expansionism.
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In response to doubts over Washington's commitment to its allies such as Taiwan following the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, President Joe Biden on Wednesday (Aug. 18) said that his nation would "respond" if Taiwan was attacked or invaded by China.
During an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News on Wednesday, the host noted that China and Russia have had a propaganda field day with the fall of Kabul following the U.S. pullout. Pointing out that China has exploited the situation to make comparisons between Afghanistan and Taiwan, "You can already see China telling Taiwan, 'See? You can't count on the Americans."
Biden responded by saying "why wouldn't China say that?" He then said that there is a "fundamental difference" between the American stance on Afghanistan and its allies Taiwan, South Korea, and NATO. In an apparent attempt to draw a distinction between the situation in Afghanistan versus agreements with Taiwan and South Korea, Biden said:
"We are in a situation where they are in-- entities we've made agreements with based on not a civil war they're having on that island or in South Korea, but on an agreement where they have a unity government that, in fact, is trying to keep bad guys from doin' bad things to them."
While China would love to remove democracy from them, it's still an independent island - and after how China has been going on in Hong Kong, they're obviously not going to tempt Taiwan into trying "one country, two systems" as China pretended to allow earlier.
That's bullshit.
Taiwan is an automous region, not an independent nation.
China would be happy to leave it as an autonomous region -- unless the west forces its hand.... Then it will end that just as it did in Hong Kong when the west incited separatist insurrection on that island.
The West was behind the Hong Kong protests?
Don't base everything you think you know on the Global Times, George. If you didn't know that's the English-version of the official Chinese Communist Party newspaper The People's Daily. They communicate the party's official positions and IMO are essentially the Chinese version of Fox News.
How do I know it's the Global Times you're using as your "reliable news source". They were the only major paper in the world as far as I can tell to claim it was all a Western scheme, blame the US.
Branch out and read other sources if you want to learn where the roots of the demonstration started. It was not in the West. So that you feel more comfortable with straying outside of official Chinese news sources perhaps start with a Phillipines Newspaper, Philstar Global. That's not in the West. This link will scroll every bit of news about the protests, specifically why they started if you'll browse down to 2019 articles. https://www.philstar.com/happens/697
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
So because you don’t seem to know what it means, a straw man argument is where you assign a position to someone else - a position not actually taken by that person - and then argue against that, because you think you can “win” against that position. I made no argument that the US dictate anything with regard to Taiwan. In fact, if you reread what I wrote, you’d see I specifically took no position on that. So you keep arguing against straw men, but it makes no sense to anyone else when you do.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
It's only "liberated" in that alternative universe China Haters live in.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
By that definition, how did China survive WWII without the U.S. and its allies, including the UK, Chiang Kai-Shek, and Mao Zedong, working together?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
It's only "liberated" in that alternative universe China Haters live in.
What is that supposed to mean? It is not occupied, no other nations laws apply within its borders, it is independent by every appreciable measure. So what about it is not "liberated"?
Explain and justify yourself rather than making these obnoxious and vague proclamations, else be rightfully judged as full of shit.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile?
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There is no "autonomous region", the PRC claims that there is one legitimate China including Taiwan, and the PRC are in charge; the ROC claims that there is one legitimate China including Taiwan and the ROC are in charge. The peace of the last 50 years has been predicated on them holding their positions and agreeing to disagree, but otherwise leaving each other alone. They are both independent of each other.
The only war will come from the PRC breaking that accord and making moves on Taiwan.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Thankfully, the West supports Taiwan's democracy, more so since Xi Jinping came into power, demonstrating his will by crushing Hong Kong's democracy.
No peaceful unification is possible, and Xi will have no choice other than invasion. But the risks of failure are high, and the world will certainly turn away from China if that happens. Time is running out for Xi, and the U.S. exiting Afghanistan gives even more resources to constraining China's military expansionism.
"Hold the Line"
https://www.andrewerickson.com/2020/11/hold-the-line-through-2035-a-strategy-to-offset-chinas-revisionist-actions-and-sustain-a-rules-based-order-in-the-asia-pacific/
Winnie the Pooh ain't that delusional. China will not invade or attack Taiwan. If it even tries it would be the end of the communist oligarchs.
Biden pledges US will 'respond' if China invades Taiwan
Senior official says Washington's "policy with regard to Taiwan has not changed"
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4273349In response to doubts over Washington's commitment to its allies such as Taiwan following the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, President Joe Biden on Wednesday (Aug. 18) said that his nation would "respond" if Taiwan was attacked or invaded by China.
During an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News on Wednesday, the host noted that China and Russia have had a propaganda field day with the fall of Kabul following the U.S. pullout. Pointing out that China has exploited the situation to make comparisons between Afghanistan and Taiwan, "You can already see China telling Taiwan, 'See? You can't count on the Americans."
Biden responded by saying "why wouldn't China say that?" He then said that there is a "fundamental difference" between the American stance on Afghanistan and its allies Taiwan, South Korea, and NATO. In an apparent attempt to draw a distinction between the situation in Afghanistan versus agreements with Taiwan and South Korea, Biden said:
"We are in a situation where they are in-- entities we've made agreements with based on not a civil war they're having on that island or in South Korea, but on an agreement where they have a unity government that, in fact, is trying to keep bad guys from doin' bad things to them."
Don't base everything you think you know on the Global Times, George. If you didn't know that's the English-version of the official Chinese Communist Party newspaper The People's Daily. They communicate the party's official positions and IMO are essentially the Chinese version of Fox News.
How do I know it's the Global Times you're using as your "reliable news source". They were the only major paper in the world as far as I can tell to claim it was all a Western scheme, blame the US.
Branch out and read other sources if you want to learn where the roots of the demonstration started. It was not in the West.
So that you feel more comfortable with straying outside of official Chinese news sources perhaps start with a Phillipines Newspaper, Philstar Global. That's not in the West.
This link will scroll every bit of news about the protests, specifically why they started if you'll browse down to 2019 articles.
https://www.philstar.com/happens/697
It's only "liberated" in that alternative universe China Haters live in.
Explain and justify yourself rather than making these obnoxious and vague proclamations, else be rightfully judged as full of shit.