Apple applied list of terms censored in China to Taiwan & Hong Kong

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  • Reply 61 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the USA?

    I don't think I need to validate this nonsense with a response.  Stop stirring shit.
    ronn
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  • Reply 62 of 195
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the USA?

    I don't think I need to validate this nonsense with a response.  Stop stirring shit.
    What I am saying is fact. Why do you call fact nonsense and shit? 
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  • Reply 63 of 195
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
    You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile? 
    It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda.  If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.

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  • Reply 64 of 195
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the U
    That was Trump's goal -- after he failed with Hong Kong he moved to Taiwan looking to create trouble for China and a dependent territory for the U.S.

    I hope you don't think he actually cared about that "Freedom and Democracy" thing do you?
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  • Reply 65 of 195
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
    You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile? 
    It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda.  If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.



    That must be it, George. /s

    https://jamestown.org/program/xinhua-infiltrates-western-electronic-media-part-2-relationships-with-news-agencies-and-distribution-services/

    China President Xi Jinping said the country must improve the way it tells its “stories” to a global audience as it seeks to develop an international voice that reflects its status on the world stage, official news agency Xinhua reported. Speaking at a Communist Party study meeting, Xi said it was crucial for China to improve its ability to spread its messages globally in order to present a “true, three-dimensional and comprehensive China”, Xinhua said on Tuesday. China needed to develop an “international voice” to match its national strength and global status, Xinhua said, citing Xi. It also needed to strengthen propaganda efforts to help foreigners understand the Chinese Communist Party and the way it “strives for the happiness of the Chinese people” (Reuters, June 1).

    I do appreciate propaganda that's not been laundered through a third party, hence why I look forward to every Waveparticle post.

    edited August 2021
    ronn
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  • Reply 66 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the U
    That was Trump's goal -- after he failed with Hong Kong he moved to Taiwan looking to create trouble for China and a dependent territory for the U.S.

    I hope you don't think he actually cared about that "Freedom and Democracy" thing do you?
    Donald Trump does not post on Apple Insider so I suggest you stop arguing with him on here.
    ronn
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  • Reply 67 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the USA?

    I don't think I need to validate this nonsense with a response.  Stop stirring shit.
    What I am saying is fact. Why do you call fact nonsense and shit? 
    Because it has no relevance.  If your position is that Taiwan is de jure part of China then Taiwan's president getting some kind of approval from the USA, if that is indeed a thing, does nothing for your argument.  Contradicts it even.  I don't care for your whataboutisms.  They're nonsense intended to stir shit.
    ronn
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  • Reply 68 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
    You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile? 
    It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda.  If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.
    What agenda do you think I have?  

    I don't want anyone to invade Taiwan either way, and there's no need for any strife.  The only problem here is you and the PRC-kid injecting ignorance and foolishness to start arguments.  If you'd just shut up for once in your wretched life there'd be no problem at all.
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  • Reply 69 of 195
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the USA?

    I don't think I need to validate this nonsense with a response.  Stop stirring shit.
    What I am saying is fact. Why do you call fact nonsense and shit? 
    Because it has no relevance.  If your position is that Taiwan is de jure part of China then Taiwan's president getting some kind of approval from the USA, if that is indeed a thing, does nothing for your argument.  Contradicts it even.  I don't care for your whataboutisms.  They're nonsense intended to stir shit.
    Are you an American? If a foreign nation is involved in US election, is this ok? Here, Taiwan voluntarily submitted approval to US before its election. And you keep making the false argument that Taiwan is independent. 
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  • Reply 70 of 195
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    ronn
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  • Reply 71 of 195
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
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  • Reply 72 of 195
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    edited August 2021
    ronn
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  • Reply 73 of 195
    ronnronn Posts: 707member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    tmay
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  • Reply 74 of 195
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
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  • Reply 75 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    So you're saying that Taiwan is not an independent country and is part of the USA?

    I don't think I need to validate this nonsense with a response.  Stop stirring shit.
    What I am saying is fact. Why do you call fact nonsense and shit? 
    Because it has no relevance.  If your position is that Taiwan is de jure part of China then Taiwan's president getting some kind of approval from the USA, if that is indeed a thing, does nothing for your argument.  Contradicts it even.  I don't care for your whataboutisms.  They're nonsense intended to stir shit.
    Are you an American? If a foreign nation is involved in US election, is this ok? Here, Taiwan voluntarily submitted approval to US before its election. And you keep making the false argument that Taiwan is independent. 
    I'm not American and we're not talking about America.  I am saying that Taiwan is independent of the PRC.  Their relationship with the USA is entirely besides the point.  
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  • Reply 76 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
    Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
    tmayronn
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  • Reply 77 of 195
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
    Post it then...

    I relish facts.
    ronn
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  • Reply 78 of 195
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
    Post it, stop making excuses.
    tmayronn
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  • Reply 79 of 195
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    crowley said:
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
    Post it, stop making excuses.
    I've wondered if he is the previous Tzeshan...
    ronn
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  • Reply 80 of 195
    crowley said:
    ronn said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    AppleZulu said:
    ronn said:
    crowley said:
    Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
    Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.

    It's called the trough of reality.  The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters.  The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China.  Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.

    We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now?   And how many times did it work?  And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up?   And you want to do that again?   As the saying goes:
    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
    I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.” 

    The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.” 

    If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed. 

    LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
    What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building:   Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).

    And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
    We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago.  We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.

    How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan?  How many are you willing to sacrifice?
    Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them?   You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated!  It already is independent.  No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.

    The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
    Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
    Why does Taiwan need to defend itself?  It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
    Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate? 
    You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.

    I'll wait...
    Can you read Chinese?
    Can you?

    Of course you can.
     
    Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
    He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
    My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts. 
    Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
    Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
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