Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile?
It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda. If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.
What agenda do you think I have?
I don't want anyone to invade Taiwan either way, and there's no need for any strife. The only problem here is you and the PRC-kid injecting ignorance and foolishness to start arguments. If you'd just shut up for once in your wretched life there'd be no problem at all.
Your agenda is clear: Follow through on Trump's efforts make Taiwan a free, independent country.
While you may prefer that it doesn't happen with any strife, China has said they will defend their territory -- just as we would defend our territory.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Are you falling back on the standard Republican tactic of attacking the debater when you lost the debate?
Or, did you fall for TMay's false accusations that this person is not an American citizen?
Either way, it makes you look weak -- and your argument even weaker.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing: They don't care about anything but pursuing their agenda: the Liberation of Taiwan from China -- because they hate China. The only "facts" they care about are those that support their agenda.
The same happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: people like these two thought that "freedom and democracy" was not the best way but the only way and worth fighting for -- and the blood of hundreds of thousands is on their hands.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile?
It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda. If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.
What agenda do you think I have?
I don't want anyone to invade Taiwan either way, and there's no need for any strife. The only problem here is you and the PRC-kid injecting ignorance and foolishness to start arguments. If you'd just shut up for once in your wretched life there'd be no problem at all.
Your agenda is clear: Follow through on Trump's efforts make Taiwan a free, independent country.
While you may prefer that it doesn't happen with any strife, China has said they will defend their territory -- just as we would defend our territory.
It is a free, independent country in every meaningful way! I don't want a damn thing to change. My agenda is the status quo. If that means continuing the diplomatic concession to the PRC of not formally recognising Taiwan, that's absolutely fine. But we're not talking to the PRC here, we're talking on the AppleInsider forum where we can be honest; Taiwan is an independent country.
And please shut up about Donald Trump. No one wants to hear the clown's name.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing: They don't care about anything but pursuing their agenda: the Liberation of Taiwan from China -- because they hate China. The only "facts" they care about are those that support their agenda.
The same happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: people like these two thought that "freedom and democracy" was not the best way but the only way and worth fighting for -- and the blood of hundreds of thousands is on their hands.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing: They don't care about anything but pursuing their agenda: the Liberation of Taiwan from China -- because they hate China. The only "facts" they care about are those that support their agenda.
The same happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: people like these two thought that "freedom and democracy" was not the best way but the only way and worth fighting for -- and the blood of hundreds of thousands is on their hands.
I was in the streets protesting the war in Afghanistan, and the war in Iraq, so you need to stop with making baseless assumptions about people.
I on the other hand, don't believe at all, based on observations, that Waveparticle is a U.S. citizen, which he has claimed exactly twice. I actually have come to believe that he is Tzeshan, reincarnated with a new moniker some 6 weeks after Tzeshan quit posting.
Meanwhile, Mr. PRC made statements that he would provide the link, but, but, it is in Chinese, and oh my god, he can't find it now, because it is so obscure. Waveparticle is a link in the chain of PRC propaganda, just as you are.
Fucking Chinese Communist propaganda at work, and you are happy to enable him.
Oh, and for the record, I would be ecstatic if the U.S. works with its allies to keep the PRC from invading Taiwan, even at the risk of military confrontation. Democracy is worth keeping in Taiwan. More to the point, the PRC is facing real headwinds to growth and stability, and a failed invasion would lead to Xi Jinping's demise, so why would he risk it?
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing: They don't care about anything but pursuing their agenda: the Liberation of Taiwan from China -- because they hate China. The only "facts" they care about are those that support their agenda.
The same happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: people like these two thought that "freedom and democracy" was not the best way but the only way and worth fighting for -- and the blood of hundreds of thousands is on their hands.
I was firmly against the Iraq war, so fuck you.
I watched the SF anti-war parade in 2001. Very impressed! Tens thousands of people marching from Market Street to Civil Hall. Twenty years later, Afghanistan is still like this according to CIA World Fact Book. 37,466,414 (July 2021 est.) 0-14 years: 40.62% (male 7,562,703/female 7,321,646) <--- 15-24 years: 21.26% (male 3,960,044/female 3,828,670) 25-54 years: 31.44% (male 5,858,675/female 5,661,887) 55-64 years: 4.01% (male 724,597/female 744,910) 65 years and over: 2.68% (male 451,852/female 528,831) (2020 est.)
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
Mr. PRC, you have failed in your propaganda mission! The United Front Work Department will be very disappointed.
I do in fact provide links from independent Western sources, not sources controlled or directed by the CCP, as you tend to provide.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing: They don't care about anything but pursuing their agenda: the Liberation of Taiwan from China -- because they hate China. The only "facts" they care about are those that support their agenda.
The same happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: people like these two thought that "freedom and democracy" was not the best way but the only way and worth fighting for -- and the blood of hundreds of thousands is on their hands.
I was firmly against the Iraq war, so fuck you.
I watched the SF anti-war parade in 2001. Very impressed! Tens thousands of people marching from Market Street to Civil Hall. Twenty years later, Afghanistan is still like this according to CIA World Fact Book. 37,466,414 (July 2021 est.) 0-14 years: 40.62% (male 7,562,703/female 7,321,646) <--- 15-24 years: 21.26% (male 3,960,044/female 3,828,670) 25-54 years: 31.44% (male 5,858,675/female 5,661,887) 55-64 years: 4.01% (male 724,597/female 744,910) 65 years and over: 2.68% (male 451,852/female 528,831) (2020 est.)
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
You failed history! China was one of four founding nations of UN and thus ROC is not RECOGNIZED by UN. And your biggest failure is failed to recognize US is the hand behind all the world affairs after WWII. I said Taiwan is not independent originated from this premise. Taiwan cannot be independent if it does not get support from US. This is the conclusion from the premise.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
You failed history! China was one of four founding nations of UN and thus ROC is not RECOGNIZED by UN. And your biggest failure is failed to recognize US is the hand behind all the world affairs after WWII. I said Taiwan is not independent originated from this premise. Taiwan cannot be independent if it does not get support from US. This is the conclusion from the premise.
Actually, the ROC, Taiwan, represented China at the U.N. until 1971, so not only do you have it backwards, you also fail to recognize that there were five founding members of the U.N.
You actually failed massively. Evidently, education in the PRC isn't all that thorough.
More to the point, those five members together won WWII; U.S., U.K, France, Soviet Union, and China. The reason that the U.S. remained the superpower of those five was simply that the U.S. was almost untouched by the damage of warfare. Even today, the U.S. is the leader of the free world simply because it has the military to sustain the rules of order, albeit it relies on its allies to accomplish that mission.
The PRC, being authoritarian, is quite unhappy with the rules of order, and has been attempting to circumvent those rules. The West is coming together quite quickly to prevent that from happening.
Oh, and thanks for mentioning that the U.S., et al, need to protect Taiwan from the bullies in the PRC. That's what the free world exists to do; protect democracies.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
You failed history! China was one of four founding nations of UN and thus ROC is not RECOGNIZED by UN. And your biggest failure is failed to recognize US is the hand behind all the world affairs after WWII. I said Taiwan is not independent originated from this premise. Taiwan cannot be independent if it does not get support from US. This is the conclusion from the premise.
Actually, the ROC, Taiwan, represented China at the U.N. until 1971, so not only do you have it backwards, you also fail to recognize that there were five founding members of the U.N.
You actually failed massively. Evidently, education in the PRC isn't all that thorough.
More to the point, those five members together won WWII; U.S., U.K, France, Soviet Union, and China. The reason that the U.S. remained the superpower of those five was simply that the U.S. was almost untouched by the damage of warfare. Even today, the U.S. is the leader of the free world simply because it has the military to sustain the rules of order, albeit it relies on its allies to accomplish that mission.
The PRC, being authoritarian, is quite unhappy with the rules of order, and has been attempting to circumvent those rules. The West is coming together quite quickly to prevent that from happening.
Oh, and thanks for mentioning that the U.S., et al, need to protect Taiwan from the bullies in the PRC. That's what the free world exists to do; protect democracies.
You failed history more massively than Crowley. France is not founding nation. It was Winston Churchill urged Roosevelt to restore France to its status of a major Power.
I applaud CCP because it was able to rebuild China without the help from US. And worse of all US was sanctioning China from 1949 to 1979 in diplomatically, economically, and militarily. Even today US government is still hostile to China. You reversed the cause and effect between US and China. You should try to understand the words Chinese foreign minister said to US Secretary Blinken at Anchoreagen meeting several months ago. China has been bullied by US for decades. If you don't understand what bully is. You are a good example, You have been bullying me on this forum nonstop.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
How's the PRC today? Still living the dream?
You keep this silly false qsuestion. Are you senile?
It's standard procedure for ideologues pushing their agenda. If they can't refute the facts they attack the messenger.
What agenda do you think I have?
I don't want anyone to invade Taiwan either way, and there's no need for any strife. The only problem here is you and the PRC-kid injecting ignorance and foolishness to start arguments. If you'd just shut up for once in your wretched life there'd be no problem at all.
Your agenda is clear: Follow through on Trump's efforts make Taiwan a free, independent country.
While you may prefer that it doesn't happen with any strife, China has said they will defend their territory -- just as we would defend our territory.
It is a free, independent country in every meaningful way! I don't want a damn thing to change. My agenda is the status quo. If that means continuing the diplomatic concession to the PRC of not formally recognising Taiwan, that's absolutely fine. But we're not talking to the PRC here, we're talking on the AppleInsider forum where we can be honest; Taiwan is an independent country.
And please shut up about Donald Trump. No one wants to hear the clown's name.
Many in England said the same during the Civil War. Saying it didn't make it true then and it doesn't make it true now -- no matter how many times you say it.
Not sure how China can "give up" Taiwan when they exhibit no control over it at all.
Thank you! It's pointless trying to reason with dunces. They're consuming from the CCP trough and nothing will convince them otherwise. Not wasting my time any further.
It's called the trough of reality. The only group who sees it your way are the China Haters. The rest of the world sees Taiwan as an autonomous region of China. Not even the U.S. government (even under Trump) considers Taiwan an independent country.
We have tried your nation building under the "Democracy, Freedom and Independence" mantra how many times now? And how many times did it work? And how many times did thousands of Americans die before we gave up? And you want to do that again? As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
I don’t think the term “nation building” means what you think it means. Without even getting into the merits or dangers of getting involved in helping Taiwan assert its independence, whatever unholy mess that conflict would be, one thing it wouldn’t be is “nation building.”
The only thing Taiwan lacks in being a “nation” is full international diplomatic recognition. Taiwan does not need anyone to come in to help them create political structure and government organizations, or to create a police or military force, or to build infrastructure, or create schools, or any of the things involved in “nation building.”
If, in some fantasy scenario, the PRC dropped their claims on Taiwan this morning, Taiwan would be a “nation” by tea time, with no “nation building” needed.
LOL... So, i don;t understand what "nation building" means?
What you guys are attempting to do is the epitome of nation building: Create a nation where none previously existed (despite your delusions that Taiwan has always been an independent nation).
And, it rests on the notion that the U.S. is able to dictate to the rest of the world how it will act, behave and think.
We should have learned that we are neither the saviors of the world as well as the limitations of our power and resources long ago. We just got slapped in the face with that reality -- again -- but some people are slow learners.
How many Americans should die trying (in vain) to "liberate" Taiwan? How many are you willing to sacrifice?
Or, are you just plan to continue the tough-guy talk until China has had enough of it and moves in -- and then walk away from yet another people who trusted us to defend them? You know, like the Kurds or the Afghans.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
There is no plan to spend American lives in liberating Taiwan, Taiwan doesn't need to be liberated! It already is independent. No one is creating a nation out of Taiwan because Taiwan is already a nation in just about every way that counts apart from formal recognition, and very few people are saying that there's any need for that to change.
The only one creating any ruckus here is you.
Do you really understand the English word independent? Can Taiwan defend by itself?
Why does Taiwan need to defend itself? It has a bigger army relative to population than lots of other independent nations around the world, so it can defend itself better than most, all other things being equal.
Every time before Taiwan holds a presidential equation, the government will send a delegation to US to hold talks with US officials. If it is really independent, why does it need US approval of the candidate?
You really need to post a reliable source for that. Mr. PRC.
I'll wait...
Can you read Chinese?
Can you?
Of course you can.
Sounds as if you don't have a reliable source...
He's posting to straight propaganda to increase his bounty from the CCP bosses. .50C per post isn't a lot!
My source is from Taiwanese news media. George is right! You are afraid of facts.
Maybe we can all rest a bit easier then, because if the PRC are willing to throw money away on this kind of half-assed crappy trolling then they're not nearly as smart as we've all been lead to believe.
Nonsense! Why do you think my facts are so important?
It is very difficult to find because Taiwan does not want this kind of news to be widely known. So it is a lone news. But I will keep searching.
Don't waste your time.
Even after you post the article, it will not change a thing
I fail to see how you can say this for certain given that you've never posted a link to back up anything you've said ever. Proof is anathema in the PRC-club.
You did not provide any link. And TMay only provided links from western propaganda and are not trustable.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
You failed history! China was one of four founding nations of UN and thus ROC is not RECOGNIZED by UN. And your biggest failure is failed to recognize US is the hand behind all the world affairs after WWII. I said Taiwan is not independent originated from this premise. Taiwan cannot be independent if it does not get support from US. This is the conclusion from the premise.
Actually, the ROC, Taiwan, represented China at the U.N. until 1971, so not only do you have it backwards, you also fail to recognize that there were five founding members of the U.N.
You actually failed massively. Evidently, education in the PRC isn't all that thorough.
More to the point, those five members together won WWII; U.S., U.K, France, Soviet Union, and China. The reason that the U.S. remained the superpower of those five was simply that the U.S. was almost untouched by the damage of warfare. Even today, the U.S. is the leader of the free world simply because it has the military to sustain the rules of order, albeit it relies on its allies to accomplish that mission.
The PRC, being authoritarian, is quite unhappy with the rules of order, and has been attempting to circumvent those rules. The West is coming together quite quickly to prevent that from happening.
Oh, and thanks for mentioning that the U.S., et al, need to protect Taiwan from the bullies in the PRC. That's what the free world exists to do; protect democracies.
You failed history more massively than Crowley. France is not founding nation. It was Winston Churchill urged Roosevelt to restore France to its status of a major Power.
I applaud CCP because it was able to rebuild China without the help from US. And worse of all US was sanctioning China from 1949 to 1979 in diplomatically, economically, and militarily. Even today US government is still hostile to China. You reversed the cause and effect between US and China. You should try to understand the words Chinese foreign minister said to US Secretary Blinken at Anchoreagen meeting several months ago. China has been bullied by US for decades. If you don't understand what bully is. You are a good example, You have been bullying me on this forum nonstop.
FFS, the stupid.
France has been one of the UN's members since its founding in 1945. It holds a permanent seat at the Security Council, alongside the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia and China, thus playing a leading role on many subjects.
Bullying you? Odd, it seems that you have been bullying everyone else here as well.
I don't give a fuck if you are PRC, but you were the one that lied to me about being a U.S. Citizen. I take that personally, hence why I have taken to calling you Mr. PRC, since that is where your citizenship and allegiance lies.
As for the U.S. being hostile to China, gee, go figure. Authoritarians don't want to play by the existing rules of order.
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While you may prefer that it doesn't happen with any strife, China has said they will defend their territory -- just as we would defend our territory.
And please shut up about Donald Trump. No one wants to hear the clown's name.
I was firmly against the Iraq war, so fuck you.
I on the other hand, don't believe at all, based on observations, that Waveparticle is a U.S. citizen, which he has claimed exactly twice. I actually have come to believe that he is Tzeshan, reincarnated with a new moniker some 6 weeks after Tzeshan quit posting.
Meanwhile, Mr. PRC made statements that he would provide the link, but, but, it is in Chinese, and oh my god, he can't find it now, because it is so obscure. Waveparticle is a link in the chain of PRC propaganda, just as you are.
Fucking Chinese Communist propaganda at work, and you are happy to enable him.
Oh, and for the record, I would be ecstatic if the U.S. works with its allies to keep the PRC from invading Taiwan, even at the risk of military confrontation. Democracy is worth keeping in Taiwan. More to the point, the PRC is facing real headwinds to growth and stability, and a failed invasion would lead to Xi Jinping's demise, so why would he risk it?
Hold the Line.
37,466,414 (July 2021 est.)
0-14 years: 40.62% (male 7,562,703/female 7,321,646) <---
15-24 years: 21.26% (male 3,960,044/female 3,828,670)
25-54 years: 31.44% (male 5,858,675/female 5,661,887)
55-64 years: 4.01% (male 724,597/female 744,910)
65 years and over: 2.68% (male 451,852/female 528,831) (2020 est.)
Infant mortality rate
total: 106.75 deaths/1,000 live births
Physicians density
0.28 physicians/1,000 population (2016)
I do in fact provide links from independent Western sources, not sources controlled or directed by the CCP, as you tend to provide.
The complication is the extant claims that both profess in being the legitimate government over the whole of China and Taiwan. But that is a diplomatic anomaly that is a holdover from the civil war, in much the same way as both North and South Korea claim to be the "true" Korea. Pick a side according to your ideology, but any semblance of real world practicality will tell you that they are separate and independent.
There is some controversy over how to resolve the issue, but fundamentally there is no need to resolve the issue, everyone is satisfied with the status quo and no one wants to see conflict. So you and George are just stirring up trouble with your propaganda and muddying of waters. Cut it out.
And you still haven't posted anything to back up your claims.
And your biggest failure is failed to recognize US is the hand behind all the world affairs after WWII. I said Taiwan is not independent originated from this premise. Taiwan cannot be independent if it does not get support from US. This is the conclusion from the premise.
You actually failed massively. Evidently, education in the PRC isn't all that thorough.
More to the point, those five members together won WWII; U.S., U.K, France, Soviet Union, and China. The reason that the U.S. remained the superpower of those five was simply that the U.S. was almost untouched by the damage of warfare. Even today, the U.S. is the leader of the free world simply because it has the military to sustain the rules of order, albeit it relies on its allies to accomplish that mission.
The PRC, being authoritarian, is quite unhappy with the rules of order, and has been attempting to circumvent those rules. The West is coming together quite quickly to prevent that from happening.
Oh, and thanks for mentioning that the U.S., et al, need to protect Taiwan from the bullies in the PRC. That's what the free world exists to do; protect democracies.
I applaud CCP because it was able to rebuild China without the help from US. And worse of all US was sanctioning China from 1949 to 1979 in diplomatically, economically, and militarily. Even today US government is still hostile to China. You reversed the cause and effect between US and China. You should try to understand the words Chinese foreign minister said to US Secretary Blinken at Anchoreagen meeting several months ago. China has been bullied by US for decades. If you don't understand what bully is. You are a good example, You have been bullying me on this forum nonstop.
Many in England said the same during the Civil War. Saying it didn't make it true then and it doesn't make it true now -- no matter how many times you say it.
Bullying you? Odd, it seems that you have been bullying everyone else here as well.
I don't give a fuck if you are PRC, but you were the one that lied to me about being a U.S. Citizen. I take that personally, hence why I have taken to calling you Mr. PRC, since that is where your citizenship and allegiance lies.
As for the U.S. being hostile to China, gee, go figure. Authoritarians don't want to play by the existing rules of order.