EU hits back at Apple withholding Apple Intelligence from the region

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European Union chief Margrethe Vestager says that Apple refusing to launch Apple Intelligence or iPhone screen mirroring in the EU is a "stunning declaration" of how anti-competitive the company is.

Margrethe Vestager, Executive Vice-President of the European Commission
Margrethe Vestager, Executive Vice-President of the European Commission



On June 21, 2024, Apple announced that it will not be releasing either Apple Intelligence or iPhone Mirroring for users in the EU. At the time, Apple said that it "was committed to collaborating with the European Commission" to launch the features, but has security concerns because of requirements of the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA).

The European Union did not immediately respond publicly. However, its antitrust executive Margrethe Vestager was directly asked about it in an interview at the Forum Europa conference in Brussels.

"So Apple have said that they will not launch their new enabled features in the IRS environment, and they say that they will not do that because of the obligations that they have in Europe," said Vestager. "And the obligations that they have in Europe, it is to be open for competition, that is sort of the short version of the DMA."



"And I find that very interesting, that they say we will now deploy AI where we're not obliged to enable competition," she continued. "I think that is the most sort of stunning, open declaration that they know 100% that this is another way of disabling competition, where they have a stronghold already."

To be fair to Vestager, this was one brief response in a Q&A session and she was not pressed for any details. It also wasn't a well-informed forum as the host reading the audience's question struggled to understand either what Apple Intelligence was, or the term "walled garden."

In her response, Vestager seems to have omitted the fact that Apple has explicitly stated that it wants to bring the features to the region. In its announcement, Apple said it was "highly motivated" to bring the features to the EU, but the DMA includes "regulatory uncertainties."

"Specifically, we are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security," said Apple. "We are committed to collaborating with the European Commission in an attempt to find a solution that would enable us to deliver these features to our EU customers without compromising their safety."

Apple's iPhone Mirroring, for example, appears to use Device Attestation. This is complex, but essentially means both Mac and iPhone know precisely what device is on both sides of a connection, and that the user is who they say that they are based on biometrics or passwords. DMA requirements would require Apple to make this work with Android, which is where Apple's security concerns come in.

Then Apple offering its Apple Intelligence only on the iPhone also has DMA implications, given that it only works on Apple devices. From previous statements including ones to AppleInsider, it's known that Apple has been continually working with the EU on its responses to the DMA, so it's reasonable to assume that will continue.

As the DMA stands, there is no equivalency requirement, where Apple has to offer the same features to the EU that it does in the US, or vice versa. So, Vestager can say that she doesn't like it all she wants, but there's nothing at present that can force Apple to change their tune.

However, separately, the EU has also told Apple that it believes the company is failing to comply with the DMA with compliance steps that it has already taken. Vestager previously said the EU has "serious issues" with Apple, and it is continuing to investigate concerns including anti-competitive actions.

The announcement of these preliminary findings over non-compliance follow the EU's decision to fine Apple $2 billion over allegedly favoring its own Apple Music service over the far more successful rival, Spotify.



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  • Reply 1 of 163
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,861member
    This:

    "Specifically, we are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security," said Apple. "We are committed to collaborating with the European Commission in an attempt to find a solution that would enable us to deliver these features to our EU customers without compromising their safety."


    And then this:

    "From previous statements including ones to AppleInsider, it's known that Apple has been continually working with the EU on its responses to the DMA, so it's reasonable to assume that will continue.

    Leads to the question: Why even bother putting the subject into the public domain if communication and clarification are ongoing? 

    Far better to say as little as possible until things are clarified. All it takes is clarification and all for a roll out that isn't even planned for this year! 

    Basically FUD on Apple's part and Vestager has a valid point in her response to a question that wouldn't have been asked if it weren't for Apple. 




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  • Reply 2 of 163
    Gosh, what a surprise. /s

    I believe "hoist on one's own petard" is the relevant cliche...
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  • Reply 3 of 163
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,478member
    Governments do not like the P word. 
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  • Reply 4 of 163
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,266member
    avon b7 said:
    This:

    "Specifically, we are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security," said Apple. "We are committed to collaborating with the European Commission in an attempt to find a solution that would enable us to deliver these features to our EU customers without compromising their safety."


    And then this:

    "From previous statements including ones to AppleInsider, it's known that Apple has been continually working with the EU on its responses to the DMA, so it's reasonable to assume that will continue.

    Leads to the question: Why even bother putting the subject into the public domain if communication and clarification are ongoing? 

    Far better to say as little as possible until things are clarified. All it takes is clarification and all for a roll out that isn't even planned for this year! 

    Basically FUD on Apple's part and Vestager has a valid point in her response to a question that wouldn't have been asked if it weren't for Apple. 




    Basically FUD on the part of EU-loving commenters. Apple has a right to provide whatever capabilities it wants to in whatever country/region it wants to. You're buying a product with certain features. There's nothing that says Apple has to provide the EU with everything it has the capability of including. The EU can demand Apple provide everything but that's not the way companies work. This is a brand new Apple capability and Apple has the right to provide it when they feel it's ready, not when a corrupt EU demands it. At this point, I feel Apple is well within its rights to start charging for features in countries it wants to. As far as I'm concerned, Apple should start charging for macOS, iOS, tvOS, iPadOS along with every Apple app and feature it wants to. I'd like to see the EU try and force Apple to provide everything for free. It isn't going to happen.
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  • Reply 5 of 163
    Intentionally omitting features as retaliation?  Yeah, Apple is gonna LOVE the multi-billion fine for this little stunt.

    The EU is done playing.  Apple will behave, or they will PAY.
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  • Reply 6 of 163
    Is this one unexpected advantage of Brexshit in that the UK is longer in the EU, so I would assume that’ll exclude the UK and it’ll get Apple Intelligence alongside the States?
    edited June 28 iOS_Guy80JaiOh81Afarstarjas99ssfe11killroy
  • Reply 7 of 163
    thrangthrang Posts: 1,023member
    Intentionally omitting features as retaliation?  Yeah, Apple is gonna LOVE the multi-billion fine for this little stunt.

    The EU is done playing.  Apple will behave, or they will PAY.
    Hahahaha. Pay what? They will now fine them for NOT releasing a product or service into their geography because they do not want to run afoul of rules they disagree with and could impact user privacy?

    Think about how faulty your logic is.

    The faster the EU toss Vestager and the commission they better they will be.


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  • Reply 8 of 163
    Intentionally omitting features as retaliation?  Yeah, Apple is gonna LOVE the multi-billion fine for this little stunt.

    The EU is done playing.  Apple will behave, or they will PAY.
    The rules are so vague it's nearly impossible to comply and the interoperability requirement is insane. I cannot run Mac programs natively on Windows, so shouldn't Microsoft be forced to make Windows interoperable with Mac app executables? Why is the hell should Apple have to offer screen sharing or AI to Android devices? EU legislators have lost their minds. Companies are now required to build products for competitors? The product Apple is offering the "Walled Garden" is the product I want to buy.
    edited June 28 Fidonet127badmonktimpetuswilliamlondonlotonesteejay2012elijahgiloveapplegear9secondkox2JMStearnsX2
  • Reply 9 of 163
    Apple was fined $1.8 billion for the complete fantasy that Apple Music harmed streaming competition so it’s understandable that they would be slow to roll out certain features in the EU. 

    Note that Vestager is implying that Apple’s version of AI is somehow anticompetitive even though it isn’t available anywhere in the world at the moment and AI products are flooding the overall martket.
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  • Reply 10 of 163
    thrang said:
    Intentionally omitting features as retaliation?  Yeah, Apple is gonna LOVE the multi-billion fine for this little stunt.

    The EU is done playing.  Apple will behave, or they will PAY.
    Hahahaha. Pay what? They will now fine them for NOT releasing a product or service into their geography because they do not want to run afoul of rules they disagree with and could impact user privacy?

    Think about how faulty your logic is.

    The faster the EU toss Vestager and the commission they better they will be.



    I almost wish the EU would penalize Apple for not providing services there that they do elsewhere.  It might be that proverbial last straw that would cause Apple to pull out entirely.

    No, I don't really believe they would do that.  It would be nice if they did, though.
    edited June 28 timpetuswilliamlondon9secondkox2jas99tdknoxh2pjibmacxpressssfe11killroy
  • Reply 11 of 163
    beowulfschmidt said: No, I don't really believe they would do that.  It would be nice if they did, though.
    Why do you want less competition in the EU?  B)
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  • Reply 12 of 163
    longfanglongfang Posts: 488member
    Apple was fined $1.8 billion for the complete fantasy that Apple Music harmed streaming competition so it’s understandable that they would be slow to roll out certain features in the EU. 

    Note that Vestager is implying that Apple’s version of AI is somehow anticompetitive even though it isn’t available anywhere in the world at the moment and AI products are flooding the overall martket.
    If Apple Intelligence is as Vestager sayd anticompetitive then would withholding it from the EU be a good thing from their perspective?
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  • Reply 13 of 163
    longfang said:
    Apple was fined $1.8 billion for the complete fantasy that Apple Music harmed streaming competition so it’s understandable that they would be slow to roll out certain features in the EU. 

    Note that Vestager is implying that Apple’s version of AI is somehow anticompetitive even though it isn’t available anywhere in the world at the moment and AI products are flooding the overall martket.
    If Apple Intelligence is as Vestager sayd anticompetitive then would withholding it from the EU be a good thing from their perspective?
    Not if the point of the DMA is to levy gigantic fines rather than increase competition. 
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  • Reply 14 of 163
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,403member
    Every time I read one of these EU stories I try to think about what Apple should do to deal with this situation. It’s tempting to say Apple should just leave, but it doesn’t make sense to leave money on the table.

    current idea — create a subsidiary (or similar) in the EU whose purpose is to make compliance products for the EU. These products might have to lag the rest of the world by several years, and some features might never come to the EU. Apple might need EU specific servers that allow the EC to spy on EU citizens. Staff that subsidiary with European lawyers and former bureaucrats. Let it run for as long as it is profitable. If it stops being profitable, shut it down and exit the EU.

    an advantage of this approach is that Cupertino doesn’t have to waste time trying to comply with the EU — outsource that (in a sense) to Europeans. If the Europeans can figure out how to adapt apple products and services to make money in Europe, great. If not, leave.


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  • Reply 15 of 163
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,861member
    rob53 said:
    avon b7 said:
    This:

    "Specifically, we are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security," said Apple. "We are committed to collaborating with the European Commission in an attempt to find a solution that would enable us to deliver these features to our EU customers without compromising their safety."


    And then this:

    "From previous statements including ones to AppleInsider, it's known that Apple has been continually working with the EU on its responses to the DMA, so it's reasonable to assume that will continue.

    Leads to the question: Why even bother putting the subject into the public domain if communication and clarification are ongoing? 

    Far better to say as little as possible until things are clarified. All it takes is clarification and all for a roll out that isn't even planned for this year! 

    Basically FUD on Apple's part and Vestager has a valid point in her response to a question that wouldn't have been asked if it weren't for Apple. 




    Basically FUD on the part of EU-loving commenters. Apple has a right to provide whatever capabilities it wants to in whatever country/region it wants to. You're buying a product with certain features. There's nothing that says Apple has to provide the EU with everything it has the capability of including. The EU can demand Apple provide everything but that's not the way companies work. This is a brand new Apple capability and Apple has the right to provide it when they feel it's ready, not when a corrupt EU demands it. At this point, I feel Apple is well within its rights to start charging for features in countries it wants to. As far as I'm concerned, Apple should start charging for macOS, iOS, tvOS, iPadOS along with every Apple app and feature it wants to. I'd like to see the EU try and force Apple to provide everything for free. It isn't going to happen.
    No one is disputing Apple's right to bring or not bring certain features to the EU. That is up to them and is irrelevant here. 

    The point is 'making a meal out of something' and putting it down to the DMA even when Apple itself claims it's in contact with the EU on the subject and also claims not to know what is possible or not. 

    It's all completely unnecessary on Apple's part. Why not simply ask the EU and wait for a reply? 
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  • Reply 16 of 163
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,511member
    At least some EU regulators/politicians don’t seem to understand the whole concept of the “carrot and the stick.” It sounds like Apple is trying to work with the EU to keep the carrot still in play, but the EU seems trigger happy and brandishes the stick immediately, no matter what. At least from an external perspective the relationship seems very broken with very little to no negotiation and compromise. But we don’t really know what, if anything, is taking place behind closed doors. The EU seems to think that “transparency” means airing all of their gripes and grievances very loudly in the court of public opinion. 

    Apple is very clear that they aren’t willing to break the promises that they’ve made to their customers everywhere to provide a safe, secure, and privacy preserving family of products and services while also conforming to the local and regional edicts of the markets they are selling into - to the extent possible. If those edicts would compromise Apple’s promises to their customers Apple should absolutely exit those markets, which may be the intended purpose of the edicts in the first place.

    This stuff should be very easy to wok out but it’s failing miserably. In the larger scheme of things the topics that are being complained about are chickensh**. If they can’t resolve these small things how will both parties adopt a more constructive approach to reaching a mutually agreeable resolution when the stakes are much higher? 
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  • Reply 17 of 163
    boxcatcherboxcatcher Posts: 269member
    We’ll show you!!

    *proceeds to withhold something all its people want*
    edited June 28 9secondkox2
  • Reply 18 of 163
    avon b7 said: It's all completely unnecessary on Apple's part. Why not simply ask the EU and wait for a reply? 
    That's what they're doing: putting the new AI features on hold while they communicate with the EU per the DMA requirements. Note that Apple was in communication with the EU about the anti-steering changes in the DMA and now the EU is saying there's something wrong with what Apple did. 
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  • Reply 19 of 163
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,861member
    avon b7 said: It's all completely unnecessary on Apple's part. Why not simply ask the EU and wait for a reply? 
    That's what they're doing: putting the new AI features on hold while they communicate with the EU per the DMA requirements. Note that Apple was in communication with the EU about the anti-steering changes in the DMA and now the EU is saying there's something wrong with what Apple did. 
    What was unnecessary was the need to make a fuss out of things. Totally unnecessary. 

    If they had simply asked and waited for a reply we wouldn't even be talking about this now. No one would have brought the question up in the first place. Vestager wouldn't have said anything. 

    But no, Apple decided to FUD things up. 

    That's their call but it's pretty foolish, petty and probably won't help in the bigger scheme of things. 

    Apple’s going for friction so... so be it. 


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  • Reply 20 of 163
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,918member
    blastdoor said:
    Every time I read one of these EU stories I try to think about what Apple should do to deal with this situation. It’s tempting to say Apple should just leave, but it doesn’t make sense to leave money on the table.

    They won't be leaving money on the table by pulling out of the EU. First, the EU is just a fraction of what Apple classifies as "Europe" (which includes the Middle East and at least parts, if not all, of Africa), and obviously doesn't include European countries not in the EU, such as the UK and Switzerland. The fines the EU is threatening far eclipse the value of the EU as a market. Second, if EU rules force Apple to cripple, compromise or otherwise dumb down their products, that makes them less competitive in the rest of the world. There is at this point almost no upside for Apple to release anything in the EU and plenty of downside, not to mention all the resources wasted "negotiating" with EU bureaucrats who are not acting in good faith and are making up the rules as the go and changing them retroactively.

    So, what exactly is the downside for Apple to simply pull out of the EU until there is a more favorable business climate there? I can't see any upside to staying at this point.
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