There was no help for immigrants-you made it or you left
I'm not sure what's more staggering, your total lack of historical knowledge or your total lack of shame in continuing to hold opinions as if you know what you're talking about.
Firstly the whole immigrant / non-immigrant distinction basically doesn't exist in America. Everyone is an immigrant and as a second generation Polish-American I shouldn't have to tell you that. And the further back you go the less meaningful it is.
Now your statement: "there was no help for immigrants" is total, utter, unsupported bullshit. America was crying out for people to emigrate to it for most of its history and was more than prepared to lend a helping hand.
And on the question of the founders printing everything in english I found the following on a site dedicated to making English the offical language of the US:
On January 13, 1795, the U.S. House of Representatives defeated a bill to print 3,000 sets of the federal laws in German "for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as do not understand the English language."
Yeah they lost the vote, but do you know how many votes they lost by? One! And it shows that even back in the 'good old days' there were immigrants who did not understand English.
Every year from 1843 to 1847 Congress voted against printing copies of the President?s annual message in Low German, German or French.
At least some of your illustrious leaders wanted things printed in 2(!) differenent types of German.
Can you please stop making rediculous claims now, and stick to the "it'll save money" idea. At least it's not totally farcical.
I'm not sure what's more staggering, your total lack of historical knowledge or your total lack of shame in continuing to hold opinions as if you know what you're talking about.
Firstly the whole immigrant / non-immigrant distinction basically doesn't exist in America. Everyone is an immigrant and as a second generation Polish-American I shouldn't have to tell you that. And the further back you go the less meaningful it is.
Now your statement: "there was no help for immigrants" is total, utter, unsupported bullshit. America was crying out for people to emigrate to it for most of its history and was more than prepared to lend a helping hand.
And on the question of the founders printing everything in english I found the following on a site dedicated to making English the offical language of the US:
On January 13, 1795, the U.S. House of Representatives defeated a bill to print 3,000 sets of the federal laws in German "for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as do not understand the English language."
Yeah they lost the vote, but do you know how many votes they lost by? One! And it shows that even back in the 'good old days' there were immigrants who did not understand English.
Every year from 1843 to 1847 Congress voted against printing copies of the President?s annual message in Low German, German or French.
At least some of your illustrious leaders wanted things printed in 2(!) differenent types of German.
Can you please stop making rediculous claims now, and stick to the "it'll save money" idea. At least it's not totally farcical.
There was no welfare for immigrants who could not make it here. There was a need for labor throughout most of this nation's existence so obviously there would be a push for more immigration. But there was work available-if not, they went home. There has always been an out-migration from the US-not all immigrants stay here and its been that way throughout history.
As for language I never said there weren't attempts at one point or another to print forms in another language (I knew about the German vote), but the facts were and are that English was the only language used until recently. Spin it any way you want chappy. Whatever floats your boat........................
I also assume your two-dimensional, primary colored version of history considers those born on the continent of America but outside the United States (Mexicans, Texans, Cubans, Canadians etc.) as either Europeans or Americans (in today's sense of the word) too.
There was no welfare for immigrants who could not make it here.
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the facts were and are that English was the only language used until recently.
How is giving someone straight off the boat free land not welfare? Free Land!
If you're going to be tricky about it and say there was nothing like today's welfare state that's because there wasn't one for *anybody* until the the Great Depression.
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That is not a fact, it was the most popular but it was not the only language used.
I also assume your two-dimensional, primary colored version of history considers those born on the continent of America but outside the United States (Mexicans, Texans, Cubans, Canadians etc.) as either Europeans or Americans too.
You don't enhance your arguments by making baseless attacks on someone. I didn't bother mentioning slavery because I knew bunge was intelligent enough to realize that part of our history. You, on the other hand, seem to have an urge to search the internet to try and back up your arguments, which isn't working out too well for you. Keep plugging away, I'm sure you'll convince yourself that you're correct, even though you sure as hell are not...................................
You, on the other hand, seem to have an urge to search the internet to try and back up your arguments
Your right. I foolishly thought that pointing out the inconsistancies of your views of American history with links to actual historical documents and research would be more productive and effective than getting into an is! is not! is too! type thing. Obviously not.
How is giving someone straight off the boat free land not welfare? Free Land!
If you're going to be tricky about it and say there was nothing like today's welfare state that's because there wasn't one for *anybody* until the the Great Depression.
...
That is not a fact, it was the most popular but it was not the only language used.
They were given free land to help push out the Native Americans. If they didn't grow enough food, or find or develop work they would either starve to death or leave the country. Many chose to leave.
As for being 'tricky'-I stated the truth. This was a tough country to make it in. It was capitalism in its purest form, for better or worse. ...........................................
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Originally posted by steve666
There was no help for immigrants-you made it or you left
I'm not sure what's more staggering, your total lack of historical knowledge or your total lack of shame in continuing to hold opinions as if you know what you're talking about.
Firstly the whole immigrant / non-immigrant distinction basically doesn't exist in America. Everyone is an immigrant and as a second generation Polish-American I shouldn't have to tell you that. And the further back you go the less meaningful it is.
Now your statement: "there was no help for immigrants" is total, utter, unsupported bullshit. America was crying out for people to emigrate to it for most of its history and was more than prepared to lend a helping hand.
an act to encourage immigration (1757)
Texas establishes agency to encourage immigration (1871)
The legislature created the State Board of Immigration to encourage immigration to Minnesota (1867)
The Homestead Act of 1862
And on the question of the founders printing everything in english I found the following on a site dedicated to making English the offical language of the US:
On January 13, 1795, the U.S. House of Representatives defeated a bill to print 3,000 sets of the federal laws in German "for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as do not understand the English language."
Yeah they lost the vote, but do you know how many votes they lost by? One! And it shows that even back in the 'good old days' there were immigrants who did not understand English.
Every year from 1843 to 1847 Congress voted against printing copies of the President?s annual message in Low German, German or French.
At least some of your illustrious leaders wanted things printed in 2(!) differenent types of German.
Can you please stop making rediculous claims now, and stick to the "it'll save money" idea. At least it's not totally farcical.
Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
I'm not sure what's more staggering, your total lack of historical knowledge or your total lack of shame in continuing to hold opinions as if you know what you're talking about.
Firstly the whole immigrant / non-immigrant distinction basically doesn't exist in America. Everyone is an immigrant and as a second generation Polish-American I shouldn't have to tell you that. And the further back you go the less meaningful it is.
Now your statement: "there was no help for immigrants" is total, utter, unsupported bullshit. America was crying out for people to emigrate to it for most of its history and was more than prepared to lend a helping hand.
an act to encourage immigration (1757)
Texas establishes agency to encourage immigration (1871)
The legislature created the State Board of Immigration to encourage immigration to Minnesota (1867)
The Homestead Act of 1862
And on the question of the founders printing everything in english I found the following on a site dedicated to making English the offical language of the US:
On January 13, 1795, the U.S. House of Representatives defeated a bill to print 3,000 sets of the federal laws in German "for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as do not understand the English language."
Yeah they lost the vote, but do you know how many votes they lost by? One! And it shows that even back in the 'good old days' there were immigrants who did not understand English.
Every year from 1843 to 1847 Congress voted against printing copies of the President?s annual message in Low German, German or French.
At least some of your illustrious leaders wanted things printed in 2(!) differenent types of German.
Can you please stop making rediculous claims now, and stick to the "it'll save money" idea. At least it's not totally farcical.
There was no welfare for immigrants who could not make it here. There was a need for labor throughout most of this nation's existence so obviously there would be a push for more immigration. But there was work available-if not, they went home. There has always been an out-migration from the US-not all immigrants stay here and its been that way throughout history.
As for language I never said there weren't attempts at one point or another to print forms in another language (I knew about the German vote), but the facts were and are that English was the only language used until recently. Spin it any way you want chappy. Whatever floats your boat........................
Originally posted by steve666
The only non-Europeans allowed in were for manual labor from places like China but were not granted citizenship
Yeah, something else that you'd probably like a return to.
Here's a timeline on Chinese-Americans:
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/chinatown/tl.htm
But I think your overlooking another group of 'immigrants':
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/his...timeline.shtml
I also assume your two-dimensional, primary colored version of history considers those born on the continent of America but outside the United States (Mexicans, Texans, Cubans, Canadians etc.) as either Europeans or Americans (in today's sense of the word) too.
Originally posted by steve666
There was no welfare for immigrants who could not make it here.
...
the facts were and are that English was the only language used until recently.
How is giving someone straight off the boat free land not welfare? Free Land!
If you're going to be tricky about it and say there was nothing like today's welfare state that's because there wasn't one for *anybody* until the the Great Depression.
...
That is not a fact, it was the most popular but it was not the only language used.
Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
Yeah, something else that you'd probably like a return to.
Here's a timeline on Chinese-Americans:
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/chinatown/tl.htm
But I think your overlooking another group of 'immigrants':
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/his...timeline.shtml
I also assume your two-dimensional, primary colored version of history considers those born on the continent of America but outside the United States (Mexicans, Texans, Cubans, Canadians etc.) as either Europeans or Americans too.
You don't enhance your arguments by making baseless attacks on someone. I didn't bother mentioning slavery because I knew bunge was intelligent enough to realize that part of our history. You, on the other hand, seem to have an urge to search the internet to try and back up your arguments, which isn't working out too well for you. Keep plugging away, I'm sure you'll convince yourself that you're correct, even though you sure as hell are not...................................
Originally posted by steve666
You, on the other hand, seem to have an urge to search the internet to try and back up your arguments
Your right. I foolishly thought that pointing out the inconsistancies of your views of American history with links to actual historical documents and research would be more productive and effective than getting into an is! is not! is too! type thing. Obviously not.
Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
How is giving someone straight off the boat free land not welfare? Free Land!
If you're going to be tricky about it and say there was nothing like today's welfare state that's because there wasn't one for *anybody* until the the Great Depression.
...
That is not a fact, it was the most popular but it was not the only language used.
They were given free land to help push out the Native Americans. If they didn't grow enough food, or find or develop work they would either starve to death or leave the country. Many chose to leave.
As for being 'tricky'-I stated the truth. This was a tough country to make it in. It was capitalism in its purest form, for better or worse. ...........................................