Bustamante was (is?) a racist
Cruz Bustamante, Lt Gov of California who wants to unseat his own Governor, was a member of a racist Chicano group while he was in college. The groups motto was 'For the Chicano race everything, for everyone else, nothing'.
He was less than enthusiastic about renouncing the group so why hasn't there been much made about it?
Let me ask this-if one of the other major candidates, say Tom McClintock, had been a member of the KKK in his youth would he still be in the race? Double standard here?...........................................
He was less than enthusiastic about renouncing the group so why hasn't there been much made about it?
Let me ask this-if one of the other major candidates, say Tom McClintock, had been a member of the KKK in his youth would he still be in the race? Double standard here?...........................................
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I suppose I will also now be called a racist because I think that it is STUPID to give ILLEGAL aliens driver's licenses in the state of California.
Gah.
Originally posted by BR
Yes, there is a double standard but you are called a racist if you point it out. You are also called a racist if you don't believe in affirmative action, don't like welfare, or don't like the latte tax in Seattle.
I suppose I will also now be called a racist because I think that it is STUPID to give ILLEGAL aliens driver's licenses in the state of California.
Gah.
It is not just stupid to give drivers licences to illegal aliens its contemptible. I cannot believe Cali has sunk so low to the point that illegals are basically running the show there. Is the State still a part of the union? Its getting hard to tell if it is or isnt.
One thing for sure-any politician who voted to give illegals a drivers licence MUST be thrown out of office...................
Originally posted by BR
You are also called a racist if you don't believe in affirmative action...
Depends on how you justify your opposition to it, of course. Racist reasons for opposing affirmative action do exist, but to summarily call someone "racist" for opposing it is wrong.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Depends on how you justify your opposition to it, of course. Racist reasons for opposing affirmative action do exist, but to summarily call someone "racist" for opposing it is wrong.
Affirmative action is a poor treatment of the symptoms of larger problems and is inherently unfair. Justice is not served through further injustice. I'm so glad that the University of Michigan is having to change their admission policy.
For these reasons I have just given you, I have been previously called a racist.
Originally posted by BR
Affirmative action is a poor treatment of the symptoms of larger problems and is inherently unfair.
"UC Regent Ward Connorly, who led the successful 1996 Proposition 209 to ban race as a factor in University admissions and California hiring, argues that the categories are divisive in California's increasingly mixed society and amount to a form of segregation."
Ward Connorly, incidentally, is a "person of color".
On the other hand,
"... opponents of the measure, including ... Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, argue the initiative will make it hard to track health, education and economic trends."
Mr. Bustamante appears to be whatever is necessary to enhance his position.
Originally posted by steve666
Let me ask this-if one of the other major candidates, say Tom McClintock, had been a member of the KKK in his youth would he still be in the race? Double standard here?...........................................
What double standard?
McClintock was never in the KKK and if he had been I doubt he'd be where he is now.
The point is that Bustamante was asked last week four times by Fox News if he now renounces MEChA.
He never gave a direct answer to the question.
If McClintok or anyone else running for office were in the KKK he would deserve the heat that he would take on the issue - especially if that person did not come clean on his present stance concerning it.
Bustamante won't answer the question and deserves the heat he's taking if not more.
Originally posted by steve666
It is not just stupid to give drivers licences to illegal aliens its contemptible. I cannot believe Cali has sunk so low to the point that illegals are basically running the show there. Is the State still a part of the union? Its getting hard to tell if it is or isnt.
One thing for sure-any politician who voted to give illegals a drivers licence MUST be thrown out of office...................
Totally agree, but keep in mind that it's Grey Davis who signed SB60 today.
He's trying to kiss anyones ass who might possibly vote for him.
He rejected the bill twice in the past and back then, the bill had a lot more teeth.
The current version left out two key provisions that were in previous versions that he vetoed:
1. Every applicant must show proof of employment.
2. Every applicant would have a felony background check.
It's pure political BS (like the tripling of the car tax).
I hate politics because issues like this.
Originally posted by steve666
One thing for sure-any politician who voted to give illegals a drivers licence MUST be thrown out of office...................
YES! Support paranoia!
The law-abiding citizens of the State of California, together with the law-abiding citizens of the United States of America pay taxes, are obligated to serve in the armed services (if so called) and meet various state and national requirements.
Providing people who are in your nation illegally with a driver's license shows a tacit disregard for the idea of citizenship. There's no question that the flood of illegals won't stop if the driver's licenses were not provided, but providing people who have arrived in the nation illegally with a legal form of identification is hardly the smartest thing in the world.
I didn't know that Bustamante had belonged to such an organization, or that he had dodged renouncing it on the air. Hardly a ringing self-endorsement for the guy. I'd have to say that unless he discusses it in-depth that perhaps he is a racist.
Originally posted by bunge
YES! Support paranoia!
Yes and the activists you could hear in the background telling them "This document will make you legal" (as in given them all the rights of legal immigrants" is just paranoia in my brain as well."
Nick
Casino Cash
Top contributers by group
Hmmm... top contributers are public unions, casinos, and lawyers.
I can see how he will be able to solve our problems with spending, workers comp reform, etc. with those types of interests filling his pocket.
Nick
Originally posted by BR
Affirmative action is a poor treatment of the symptoms of larger problems and is inherently unfair. Justice is not served through further injustice. I'm so glad that the University of Michigan is having to change their admission policy.
For these reasons I have just given you, I have been previously called a racist.
100% support here BR
Affirmative action is the wrong action. It is an action yes but in the wrong direction. We should not use the color of skin to dictate admissions for any person be it college admissions or admission to a rock concert. PERIOD...
Originally posted by trumptman
Bustamante is a racist and a gambling/casino whore as well. I don't care what ethnic group owns them when you get all your money from casino interests, that is who you will serve.
Casino Cash
Top contributers by group
Hmmm... top contributers are public unions, casinos, and lawyers.
I can see how he will be able to solve our problems with spending, workers comp reform, etc. with those types of interests filling his pocket.
Nick
Yeah Bustamante pronounced "Boost-your-taxes" is in the pockets of good old casinos, unions and lawyers. Ohhhhh but ohhhh but he is for the good old common man. Tax everything that moves and surely the "good old common man" can find work and afford to feed and house their family. Yeah that is the ticket.
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Yeah Bustamante pronounced "Boost-your-taxes" is in the pockets of good old casinos, unions and lawyers. Ohhhhh but ohhhh but he is for the good old common man. Tax everything that moves and surely the "good old common man" can find work and afford to feed and house their family. Yeah that is the ticket.
Fellowship
Quite possibly the worst political analysis I've ever read.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Quite possibly the worst political analysis I've ever read.
It's called rhetorical satire.
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
It's called rhetorical satire.
Fellowship
Originally posted by BR
Affirmative action is a poor treatment of the symptoms of larger problems and is inherently unfair. Justice is not served through further injustice. I'm so glad that the University of Michigan is having to change their admission policy.
For these reasons I have just given you, I have been previously called a racist.
You know I dig ya BR, but I have to say I disagree:
1) What other 'treatment' of the 'symptoms of larger problems' is being done? I make it bugger all. It is racist to say AA should be stopped if you don't intend to do something about the problem it's addressing (not saying you are). If you do, your positive action of stopping AA is an action that keeps people down.
2) There is already a very, very, very powerful system of affirmative action that helps white male people get to the top of the heap ... or do you really think that the reason that there's never been a black / female PotUS is because only white men are fit for the job? This other AA is only redressing an unfair system.
Fact is, that as a medium term thing, it seems to work. Poverty exists in certain classes because ... they don't have any money (duh). Getting a leg up helps more then just the leg-ee by direct cash infusion. It also changes perspective of those that think darkies can't do the jobs; it also gives disenfranchised people role-models &c.
Don't forget: if it hadn't been for AA Colin Powell may well be a retired grunt by now.
Originally posted by drewprops
Providing people who are in your nation illegally with a driver's license shows a tacit disregard for the idea of citizenship. There's no question that the flood of illegals won't stop if the driver's licenses were not provided, but providing people who have arrived in the nation illegally with a legal form of identification is hardly the smartest thing in the world.
I just equate the drivers license with something like buying cheese. Are we going to police grocery stores so effectively that any illegal buying cheese gets deported? No, obviously not. A drivers license should be thought of as a product or service. It costs money to get one (although it sounds like in California, not enough to pay for the paperwork) like cheese. They're no more important to someone that doesn't drive than cheese is to a vegan.
They're not a passport, greencard, social security card or anything important. I guess that's my point. People are putting too much weight on the importance of a drivers license. If you can buy a bus ticket as an illegal, a drivers license isn't any different in my mind.
Originally posted by bunge
They're not a passport, greencard, social security card or anything important. I guess that's my point. People are putting too much weight on the importance of a drivers license. If you can buy a bus ticket as an illegal, a drivers license isn't any different in my mind.
Say that I want take a flight to Vegas for the weekend.
What do I need? A little cash and a drivers license to show the security people at the airport.
It's a bad thing giving illegals a legal document.
Originally posted by Cake
Say that I want take a flight to Vegas for the weekend.
What do I need? A little cash and a drivers license to show the security people at the airport.
It's a bad thing giving illegals a legal document.
Someone on vacation can take a flight within the country. Perhaps flights, if they're dangerous, shouldn't rely on an easily forged document like a drivers license (any underage college student worth his or her salt has one) and should require a passport. That way only a legal alien or resident with proper visa stamps gets a flight. Give them a legal document and they can be tracked like the hijackers on 9/11. Too bad we weren't fast enough.
The real problem is that some institutions rely on a drivers license when they shouldn't. I don't care if an illegal can drive or buy liquor at the corner store.
Originally posted by Harald
You know I dig ya BR, but I have to say I disagree:
1) What other 'treatment' of the 'symptoms of larger problems' is being done? I make it bugger all. It is racist to say AA should be stopped if you don't intend to do something about the problem it's addressing (not saying you are). If you do, your positive action of stopping AA is an action that keeps people down.
2) There is already a very, very, very powerful system of affirmative action that helps white male people get to the top of the heap ... or do you really think that the reason that there's never been a black / female PotUS is because only white men are fit for the job? This other AA is only redressing an unfair system.
Fact is, that as a medium term thing, it seems to work. Poverty exists in certain classes because ... they don't have any money (duh). Getting a leg up helps more then just the leg-ee by direct cash infusion. It also changes perspective of those that think darkies can't do the jobs; it also gives disenfranchised people role-models &c.
Don't forget: if it hadn't been for AA Colin Powell may well be a retired grunt by now.
Actually this is a misconception. There are more women in the electorate than there are men. Women could have elected a woman president years ago if they felt so compelled.
This is like those surveys that ask who earns the money, but not who spends it.
I think there are qualities in a president that both women and men want and when they see it in a female candidate that person will be elected.
Hillary Clinton has polled very well and amazingly enough I don't think I have ever heard mention of the fact that she is a woman when she polls better than Kerry, Dean, etc.
Likewise Elizabeth Dole made a pretty good run and is now a senator as well. I think it is honestly a matter of time.
Who knows we might have Clinton/Dole again in 2008?
Nick