Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
I wanna know what "true progress" the south has made versus the rest of the country.
Some southerners talk about their pride as if there's some great achievement there...that their way of life is superior... but they just haven't let the rest of the country in on the secret.
Hey you like where you came from... that's great... but that doesn't make it better than anywhere else... other than to you.
exactly. most texans talk as if they're better than "yankees." if anyone's making generalizations, it's texans, although it does occur both ways often enough.
I wanna know what "true progress" the south has made versus the rest of the country.
Some southerners talk about their pride as if there's some great achievement there...that their way of life is superior... but they just haven't let the rest of the country in on the secret.
Hey you like where you came from... that's great... but that doesn't make it better than anywhere else... other than to you.
Not from me. I do not feel the US is any better than any other country. I do not feel Texas or the South is any better than any other country. Dove-tail with this my philosophy that generalizations are not productive in modern society. We are all people and any attempts to put some in a "box" as being less than that is in itself bigotry, ignorance, narrowmindedness, and hatred.
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
thank you der Kopf. fellows doesnt accept any criticism of texas, even though in this thread i am not criticising texas in particular, but am criticizing something that occurs in texas, as well as other places. i use texas as an example because it is where i happen to be right now. if i were somewhere else, then i'm sure i'd find something else to criticize--open criticism is one of my weaknesss. i dont accept racism in any form or fassion and i am very open about it. i see the rebel flag as being one form of racism, so i share that concern with others. if that's so bad, then stop reading what i have to say...
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
You're forgetting that southerners are routinely depicted as racist boobs.
It's all well and good to tell people not to take things personally when you haven't been the target of stereotyping.
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people. If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas. I am from Texas and I drive a truck and I am saying to _Alliance_ that his high horse (if you don't drive a Honda) high horse attitude is very dark and ugly.
The whole world does not have to fit what _Alliance_ thinks it should be like.
_Alliance_ can say all he wants about Texas. I just want it to be clear that it says more about him than about Texas.
As for what I did not like about Paris I will not post that here out of respect. I have no reason to gripe about things I do not like. I will say that the things I did like about Paris out-weigh the things I did not like as is the case here in Texas.
People need a balanced view of things based on a large sense of truth not just some picture they want to paint out of a bigoted sense of self-superiority.
Though there are those who are still racist bigots among us who wave the stars and bars for that purpose, I believe that states who wish to keep the confederate flag a part of their own state flag want it there for heritage and not for hate. It is a part of their culture, who they were and who they are. I see and understand both sides of the argument, I just feel that the federal government (including judges) does not have the right to tell an individual state what they can and can't have on a flag.
The longest I've lived in any one place is where I am now... NYC. So It's really hard for me to have any sort of regional bias.
I do love NYC. Works for me.
But my mom is from Missouri, my dad from Illinois. I've lived in germany, virginia, texas, massachusetts and NH. Went to college in Connecticut.
And now I'm sort of a new yorker. which is better than being from new jersey. hehe. I kid.
I'm a liberal because my parents were wise enough to raise me that way. bless their hearts. It has NOTHING to do with where I was raised. I think being an Air Force brat was good for me.
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people. If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas. I am from Texas and I drive a truck and I am saying to _Alliance_ that his high horse (if you don't drive a Honda) high horse attitude is very dark and ugly.
The whole world does not have to fit what _Alliance_ thinks it should be like.
_Alliance_ can say all he wants about Texas. I just want it to be clear that it says more about him than about Texas.
As for what I did not like about Paris I will not post that here out of respect. I have no reason to gripe about things I do not like. I will say that the things I did like about Paris out-weigh the things I did not like as is the case here in Texas.
People need a balanced view of things based on a large sense of truth not just some picture they want to paint out of a bigoted sense of self-superiority.
Fellowship
boohoo. go start a thread about your contempt for me. leave your bulls**t out of this one. it doesnt fit with the topic. thanks.
Though there are those who are still racist bigots among us who wave the stars and bars for that purpose, I believe that states who wish to keep the confederate flag a part of their own state flag want it there for heritage and not for hate. It is a part of their culture, who they were and who they are. I see and understand both sides of the argument, I just feel that the federal government (including judges) does not have the right to tell an individual state what they can and can't have on a flag.
this is a seperate issue. having the confederate flag as a state flag is different than waving the flag on your window or pickup. but yes, the government really can't have an influence in this issue.
boohoo. go start a thread about your contempt for me. leave your bulls**t out of this one. it doesnt fit with the topic. thanks.
(sigh) I'd imagine I'm more alligned politically with you, Alliance, than Fellows (although Fellows is a constant source of suprise), but now I'm gonna have to stand shoulder to shoulder with my southern friend.
Your casual denigration of a people and culture you clearly know little about is just plain ignorant bigotry. Sorry. Texas is one crazy-ass place, and if you think the confederate flag displaying there can be safely dispensed with by calling it "racist" you're plain and simple mistaken.
BTW, how the hell do you expect someone to react when you speak ill of their home and their people?
The federal government has never tried to ban the rebel flag... or get the southern states that use it to stop. Neither have federal judges. They can't. Those are state choices.
The movements have come from within those states to change their flags or to stop flying the stars and bars over their statehouses.
If you want to end the perception to "outsiders" that alot of southerners are racist. You stop using the symbol. If you want to keep a nostalgic, prideful and somewhat closeminded attitude... you don't.
You also have to remember that the Civil Right movement is only 40-50 years old... and perceptions of the south still remain because of that too.
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people.
Well. I don't normally come to AppleOutsider too much, so I must've missed that. Also, he clearly states:
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and every day i have to walk past rooms and pickups with their displayed flags of hate...
that's the only reference to trucks, and more specifically trucks with confederate flags on them. No harm in that, IMO.
Quote:
If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas.
I swear, Fellowship, that you read more into it than there is. Alliance is really only talking about his disgust for the confederate flag. How it is so closely linked to the badness in the history of the South (which, by the way, is tantamount to saying that there is goodness in that history too). You should reread it too. You are, IMO, overreacting, and that's not at all necessary.
(sigh) I'd imagine I'm more alligned politically with you, Alliance, than Fellows (although Fellows is a constant source of suprise), but now I'm gonna have to stand shoulder to shoulder with my southern friend.
Your casual denigration of a people and culture you clearly know little about is just plain ignorant bigotry. Sorry. Texas is one crazy-ass place, and if you think the confederate flag displaying there can be safely dispensed with by calling it "racist" you're plain and simple mistaken.
BTW, how the hell do you expect someone to react when you speak ill of their home and their people?
haha, fellows just doesnt like me cause i said that there were too many trucks in texas--he hasnt been able to let anything go since then. and i dont really care. but to hold that against everything i say has gotten quite annoying. i know quite a lot about this "people and culture" having lived here for over 11 years, but I am just now starting to voice my opinion on my observations. you can disagree with me all you want. that's fine. however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here. frankly, i would, but i have to go to professional school here for 4 more years. there are parts of the state that i dont mind, but there are still problems that need addressing. you cant improve something by ignoring it. however, most people who i've talked to prefer to ignore things because "that's the way it's always been." is this how a state turns to progress?? accepting the status quo?
this past wednesday, the Young Conservatives of Texas (or somethin like that) held a bakesale on campus to protest the hiring of a diversity council to icrease minorities enrolled. is this a good thing...?
however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here.
Well, Fellowship, you did indeed say that, and let me tell you: that's not very christian of you, is it? I think it is good that people voice their likes and dislikes, it's probably the most important factor in helping a society evolve (provided the debate takes place in a moderate and accomodating way).
Think about all the bad situations of the past. If everybody who disagreed had just upped and walked away instead of trying to change things for the better, what would the world be like today?
haha, fellows just doesnt like me cause i said that there were too many trucks in texas--he hasnt been able to let anything go since then. and i dont really care. but to hold that against everything i say has gotten quite annoying. i know quite a lot about this "people and culture" having lived here for over 11 years, but I am just now starting to voice my opinion on my observations. you can disagree with me all you want. that's fine. however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here. frankly, i would, but i have to go to professional school here for 4 more years. there are parts of the state that i dont mind, but there are still problems that need addressing. you cant improve something by ignoring it. however, most people who i've talked to prefer to ignore things because "that's the way it's always been." is this how a state turns to progress?? accepting the status quo?
_Alliance_ I like you just fine I just thought your opening post was a bit emotional and a little loose on level-headedness. No fear I have done the same thing. The most recent was the 30 HRS in the Senate thread I had. I opened that thread very much like you opened this thread. I am not winking at the ignorance in texas I am only saying not all people in texas are this way. We have to be careful how we frame people, places, and things. Sure we don't (HAVE) to be careful to but if we are don't people will contest some statements we make.
I am speaking to myself here too. We all have outbursts of generalizing and we are all a bit over the top at times.
Think about all the bad situations of the past. If everybody who disagreed had just upped and walked away instead of trying to change things for the better, what would the world be like today?
ironically enough, isn't that how the confederacy was formed?
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All communists are evil
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I wanna know what "true progress" the south has made versus the rest of the country.
Some southerners talk about their pride as if there's some great achievement there...that their way of life is superior... but they just haven't let the rest of the country in on the secret.
Hey you like where you came from... that's great... but that doesn't make it better than anywhere else... other than to you.
exactly. most texans talk as if they're better than "yankees." if anyone's making generalizations, it's texans, although it does occur both ways often enough.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I wanna know what "true progress" the south has made versus the rest of the country.
Some southerners talk about their pride as if there's some great achievement there...that their way of life is superior... but they just haven't let the rest of the country in on the secret.
Hey you like where you came from... that's great... but that doesn't make it better than anywhere else... other than to you.
Not from me. I do not feel the US is any better than any other country. I do not feel Texas or the South is any better than any other country. Dove-tail with this my philosophy that generalizations are not productive in modern society. We are all people and any attempts to put some in a "box" as being less than that is in itself bigotry, ignorance, narrowmindedness, and hatred.
We are universally people.
Period.
Fellowship
One of the most terrible is the circulation : it's terrible
The other is the metro : i can't stand it, althought it's the most practical thing to travel here.
Visiting Paris is fun, but living in Paris, especially when you have a family sucks.
PS : just write this, because i don't want to give the opportunity of someone else to rant about my countrie
Originally posted by der Kopf
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
thank you der Kopf. fellows doesnt accept any criticism of texas, even though in this thread i am not criticising texas in particular, but am criticizing something that occurs in texas, as well as other places. i use texas as an example because it is where i happen to be right now. if i were somewhere else, then i'm sure i'd find something else to criticize--open criticism is one of my weaknesss. i dont accept racism in any form or fassion and i am very open about it. i see the rebel flag as being one form of racism, so i share that concern with others. if that's so bad, then stop reading what i have to say...
Originally posted by der Kopf
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
You're forgetting that southerners are routinely depicted as racist boobs.
It's all well and good to tell people not to take things personally when you haven't been the target of stereotyping.
Originally posted by addabox
You're forgetting that southerners are routinely depicted as racist boobs.
I like boobs! I LOVE them. Mmmm. Good firm boobs!
Originally posted by der Kopf
Not only are not all communists evil, they are all loved by me! (--> that's a joke again. I love only those that regularly wash themselves! --> see, another joke.)
But other than that, I was just pointing out that your hurt seems very pervasive in this thread: you react more to the fact that Texas is mentioned, than to the real matter at hand. Therefore I thought you might be taking it personal. I don't think you do Alliance justice though. He has not been broadswiping that much IMO, and where he did, it was, again IMO, in jest.
I wonder what the things were you didn't like in Paris...
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people. If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas. I am from Texas and I drive a truck and I am saying to _Alliance_ that his high horse (if you don't drive a Honda) high horse attitude is very dark and ugly.
The whole world does not have to fit what _Alliance_ thinks it should be like.
_Alliance_ can say all he wants about Texas. I just want it to be clear that it says more about him than about Texas.
As for what I did not like about Paris I will not post that here out of respect. I have no reason to gripe about things I do not like. I will say that the things I did like about Paris out-weigh the things I did not like as is the case here in Texas.
People need a balanced view of things based on a large sense of truth not just some picture they want to paint out of a bigoted sense of self-superiority.
Fellowship
Originally posted by der Kopf
I like boobs! I LOVE them. Mmmm. Good firm boobs!
Yikes. Good thing I didn't say "southerners are rountinely viewed as dick-heads".
I do love NYC. Works for me.
But my mom is from Missouri, my dad from Illinois. I've lived in germany, virginia, texas, massachusetts and NH. Went to college in Connecticut.
And now I'm sort of a new yorker. which is better than being from new jersey. hehe. I kid.
I'm a liberal because my parents were wise enough to raise me that way. bless their hearts. It has NOTHING to do with where I was raised. I think being an Air Force brat was good for me.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people. If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas. I am from Texas and I drive a truck and I am saying to _Alliance_ that his high horse (if you don't drive a Honda) high horse attitude is very dark and ugly.
The whole world does not have to fit what _Alliance_ thinks it should be like.
_Alliance_ can say all he wants about Texas. I just want it to be clear that it says more about him than about Texas.
As for what I did not like about Paris I will not post that here out of respect. I have no reason to gripe about things I do not like. I will say that the things I did like about Paris out-weigh the things I did not like as is the case here in Texas.
People need a balanced view of things based on a large sense of truth not just some picture they want to paint out of a bigoted sense of self-superiority.
Fellowship
boohoo. go start a thread about your contempt for me. leave your bulls**t out of this one. it doesnt fit with the topic. thanks.
Originally posted by DanMacMan
Though there are those who are still racist bigots among us who wave the stars and bars for that purpose, I believe that states who wish to keep the confederate flag a part of their own state flag want it there for heritage and not for hate. It is a part of their culture, who they were and who they are. I see and understand both sides of the argument, I just feel that the federal government (including judges) does not have the right to tell an individual state what they can and can't have on a flag.
this is a seperate issue. having the confederate flag as a state flag is different than waving the flag on your window or pickup. but yes, the government really can't have an influence in this issue.
Originally posted by _ alliance _
boohoo. go start a thread about your contempt for me. leave your bulls**t out of this one. it doesnt fit with the topic. thanks.
(sigh) I'd imagine I'm more alligned politically with you, Alliance, than Fellows (although Fellows is a constant source of suprise), but now I'm gonna have to stand shoulder to shoulder with my southern friend.
Your casual denigration of a people and culture you clearly know little about is just plain ignorant bigotry. Sorry. Texas is one crazy-ass place, and if you think the confederate flag displaying there can be safely dispensed with by calling it "racist" you're plain and simple mistaken.
BTW, how the hell do you expect someone to react when you speak ill of their home and their people?
The movements have come from within those states to change their flags or to stop flying the stars and bars over their statehouses.
If you want to end the perception to "outsiders" that alot of southerners are racist. You stop using the symbol. If you want to keep a nostalgic, prideful and somewhat closeminded attitude... you don't.
You also have to remember that the Civil Right movement is only 40-50 years old... and perceptions of the south still remain because of that too.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
If you ever follow posts or threads of _Alliance_ you will find his contempt for truck driving people.
Well. I don't normally come to AppleOutsider too much, so I must've missed that. Also, he clearly states:
and every day i have to walk past rooms and pickups with their displayed flags of hate...
that's the only reference to trucks, and more specifically trucks with confederate flags on them. No harm in that, IMO.
If you carefully read his opening post of this thread you will see _Alliance_ hold a very high level of contempt for Texas.
I swear, Fellowship, that you read more into it than there is. Alliance is really only talking about his disgust for the confederate flag. How it is so closely linked to the badness in the history of the South (which, by the way, is tantamount to saying that there is goodness in that history too). You should reread it too. You are, IMO, overreacting, and that's not at all necessary.
Originally posted by addabox
(sigh) I'd imagine I'm more alligned politically with you, Alliance, than Fellows (although Fellows is a constant source of suprise), but now I'm gonna have to stand shoulder to shoulder with my southern friend.
Your casual denigration of a people and culture you clearly know little about is just plain ignorant bigotry. Sorry. Texas is one crazy-ass place, and if you think the confederate flag displaying there can be safely dispensed with by calling it "racist" you're plain and simple mistaken.
BTW, how the hell do you expect someone to react when you speak ill of their home and their people?
haha, fellows just doesnt like me cause i said that there were too many trucks in texas--he hasnt been able to let anything go since then. and i dont really care. but to hold that against everything i say has gotten quite annoying. i know quite a lot about this "people and culture" having lived here for over 11 years, but I am just now starting to voice my opinion on my observations. you can disagree with me all you want. that's fine. however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here. frankly, i would, but i have to go to professional school here for 4 more years. there are parts of the state that i dont mind, but there are still problems that need addressing. you cant improve something by ignoring it. however, most people who i've talked to prefer to ignore things because "that's the way it's always been." is this how a state turns to progress?? accepting the status quo?
this past wednesday, the Young Conservatives of Texas (or somethin like that) held a bakesale on campus to protest the hiring of a diversity council to icrease minorities enrolled. is this a good thing...?
Originally posted by _ alliance _
however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here.
Well, Fellowship, you did indeed say that, and let me tell you: that's not very christian of you, is it? I think it is good that people voice their likes and dislikes, it's probably the most important factor in helping a society evolve (provided the debate takes place in a moderate and accomodating way).
Think about all the bad situations of the past. If everybody who disagreed had just upped and walked away instead of trying to change things for the better, what would the world be like today?
Originally posted by _ alliance _
haha, fellows just doesnt like me cause i said that there were too many trucks in texas--he hasnt been able to let anything go since then. and i dont really care. but to hold that against everything i say has gotten quite annoying. i know quite a lot about this "people and culture" having lived here for over 11 years, but I am just now starting to voice my opinion on my observations. you can disagree with me all you want. that's fine. however, i'm tired of hearing fellows' constant moaning about how i need to leave texas cause i dont like it here. frankly, i would, but i have to go to professional school here for 4 more years. there are parts of the state that i dont mind, but there are still problems that need addressing. you cant improve something by ignoring it. however, most people who i've talked to prefer to ignore things because "that's the way it's always been." is this how a state turns to progress?? accepting the status quo?
_Alliance_ I like you just fine
I am speaking to myself here too. We all have outbursts of generalizing and we are all a bit over the top at times.
I have nothing against you at all _Alliance_
Originally posted by der Kopf
Think about all the bad situations of the past. If everybody who disagreed had just upped and walked away instead of trying to change things for the better, what would the world be like today?
ironically enough, isn't that how the confederacy was formed?