i'd also love to see photos of the supposed pit bulls in most of these attacks. too often any dog that attacks people is called a pit bull by the media, because those are a better story.
Spaniels and terriers will turn vicious if abused... it's more about the raising than the breeding. (But some breeds really are a little wonkier, on average, than others. St. Bernards have a bad habit of going schizo in their old age. And wolf-hybrids? Oy. Couldn't pay me enough to have one.)
but sometimes this happens even with dogs that have not been abused.
they are animals. they have their own instincts. and we don't understand them.
I have known dogs that never bit anyone, never were "vicious" but once attacked someone. it happens.
when i was around 9 or so my dad took me to his friend's house and I was in the back yard and they had a dog (not sure what kind, all i remember was it was black), and i crept up to pet it since I had a dog at home that was a complete mush.....i got close and he attacked.... didnt get me too bad, but it could have been very ugly.
had i reacted a second slower, i could have been "mauled" and for all I know the cops would have came and euthanized the dog after i was admitted to the hospital. But it wasn't the dog's fault. It was my fault, and most specifically, my dad's fault for leaving me unattended.
I have a bernese mountain dog at home now, harmless dog, but he can get frisky and pissed off and he may bite ya.....but that's life, he's a dog.
with you're argument you are justifying cruelty to animals simply because others are exposed to cruelty as well.
i don't want any animal to be mutilated. this story of the dog getting its tail chopped off by scissors in a barber's office is digusting and easier to attack and charge. i don't want chickens pigs and cows to be mistreated either.
i really dont see the point of your argument other than to try and cause a stir.
Context is important here. Millions of farm animals are raised in cruel conditions in the country and it's perfectly acceptable under the law. On the other hand, one person chops off a portion of one dog's tale and there is an almost universal reaction of sympathy for the poor puppy. Obviously, someone who is against the current condition of farm animals raised on industrial farms would be opposed to singular acts of animal cruelty, so I don't see where on earth you came up with bunge being pro-cruelty to animals. In fact, you're both very much in agreement on the issue as you conclude.
Context is important here. Millions of farm animals are raised in cruel conditions in the country and it's perfectly acceptable under the law. On the other hand, one person chops off a portion of one dog's tale and there is an almost universal reaction of sympathy for the poor puppy. Obviously, someone who is against the current condition of farm animals raised on industrial farms would be opposed to singular acts of animal cruelty, so I don't see where on earth you came up with bunge being pro-cruelty to animals. In fact, you're both very much in agreement on the issue as you conclude.
mmm buffalo wings.
oh my god.
people here are becoming verrrrry dense
i was just turning it back on him. im sure (well hope so) bunge is againt cruelty to animals.
bunge, you're a $$$$ing idiot. find me a post where people say it's fine to abuse animals as long as you're going to eat them.
i swear you make a concerted effort to be thick.
I know this hurts alcimedes, but actually you're being the thick idiot.
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Originally posted by alcimedes
you don't understand the difference between lopping of a tail for asthetic reasons and killing an animal to eat it?
Are you so dense that you don't see the argument is comparing lopping off a tail and the torture animals go through before they're killed for food? No, you don't see it because yes, you are that dense.
I feel sorry for you. Anyone here being honest can see the argument I'm making, except perhaps you. You jumped out with an attack and you'll most likely be too proud to rethink your position and see the other side. I feel sorry for you still.
Applenut, you don't "combine killing for food with mutilation," but that's not always correct. I don't argue against the food chain. I argue against a blind faith position like the one you're espousing. Although the food chain doesn't necessitate mutilation, the reality is that in a majority of the cases mutilation and torture are now part of the process of creating your food. Not the act of killing, but the weeks and months leading up to that death.
Kickhaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat. If you claim to care about one you're hypocritical if you don't care about the other.
Eat whatever you want, but if you're going to climb up on your high horse and ignore or just simply be ignorant of some facts I'll gladly tell you when I think you're wrong.
My cats mutilate and torture mice before killing and eating them. If they eat them at all. Other wild animals kill their prey in a manner we would call inhumane.
We're just doin' it like the do it on Discovery Channel.
It's hard to be at the top of the food chain. But yummy never the less.
But many things can be done to prevent cruelty beyond what is necessary. That's also a resposibility of a sentient being. My cats don't understand what they are doing is 'inhumane'. We would.
Kickaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat.
Not *MINE*, you flippin' dipstick, read post number four. Here, let me save you the scrolling you can't seem to do:
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BUT... I don't eat fast food, I usually eat at restaurants that have a policy of only using hormone/antibiotic free and free range meat, and I only buy such for myself.
So get off *your* high horse and stop acting so damned righteous. You're not. You're just showing you lack in fundamental reading skills, okay?
Christ on a flaming pogo stick of doom, really.
You're preaching to the converted, and you can't even see it, you're so blinded by your holy mission. Jeez.
i was just turning it back on him. im sure (well hope so) bunge is againt cruelty to animals.
AppleOutsider is a mess
And I refuted what you "turned back on him." Bunge's argument does not "justify cruelty to animals simply because others are exposed to cruelty as well." In fact, it does the opposite of what you said. Problems?
I know this hurts alcimedes, but actually you're being the thick idiot.
Are you so dense that you don't see the argument is comparing lopping off a tail and the torture animals go through before they're killed for food? No, you don't see it because yes, you are that dense.
I feel sorry for you. Anyone here being honest can see the argument I'm making, except perhaps you. You jumped out with an attack and you'll most likely be too proud to rethink your position and see the other side. I feel sorry for you still.
Applenut, you don't "combine killing for food with mutilation," but that's not always correct. I don't argue against the food chain. I argue against a blind faith position like the one you're espousing. Although the food chain doesn't necessitate mutilation, the reality is that in a majority of the cases mutilation and torture are now part of the process of creating your food. Not the act of killing, but the weeks and months leading up to that death.
Kickhaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat. If you claim to care about one you're hypocritical if you don't care about the other.
Eat whatever you want, but if you're going to climb up on your high horse and ignore or just simply be ignorant of some facts I'll gladly tell you when I think you're wrong.
You're already arguing with 3 people and you claim that other people aren't looking at the facts?! Could it ever possibly go through your head that you may be mistaken?? Or is your brain on its period?
i'd also love to see photos of the supposed pit bulls in most of these attacks. too often any dog that attacks people is called a pit bull by the media, because those are a better story.
it's really annoying. pit bulls are nice dogs.
Huh?? Look, I'm a dog lover too, but these statements are pretty much wrong.
The American Terrier (Pitbull) and various other Bull Terriers were originally bred as guess what...fighting dogs
The short snouts on Pitbulls make them very dangerous.
Here, Pitbulls are owned primarily by naive or abusive owners.
They were intentionally bred to be aggressive. They are not nice dogs by nature. Sheesh.
Well, for a bunch of borderline looney PC lefties that always whine about mudslinging and attack campaigns of the Republican party, you guys sure as hell don't mind using the same tactics when it suits your own cause.
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Bunge hypocritically says:
but if you're going to be so hypocritical as to say trimming a tail is worse than the treatment chickens, pigs and cows get prior to their slaughter then you're a $$$$ing shithead, or a jerk. Or you're a simpleton. Or blind. Etc..
Well, for a bunch of borderline looney PC lefties that always whine about mudslinging and attack campaigns of the Republican party, you guys sure as hell don't mind using the same tactics when it suits your own cause.
I hate people...stuff like that pisses me off more than anything else.
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Originally posted by applenut
don't be a $$$$ing shithead
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Don't be a jerk.
And I'm on the rag? Get your priorities straight people. Some of you flew off the handle when a different poster derailed your point. It got you all worked up even more than originally.
I'm sorry your logic is faulty, but I'll stand by my words. Eat what you want, I don't care. But if you're going to be hypocritical or ignorant, don't complain if someone else points it out.
Kickhaha, sorry. I didn't see the post where you said you buy 'clean' meat (or however you want to describe it.)
BR, you need to increase your vocabulary. Try and learn what the word 'or' means. It's a tough one, but I imagine you can handle it.
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Originally posted by alcimedes
yeah, the problem with putting down the animal if it ever bites someone is that often times it's not really the "fault" per se of the animal.
OTOH... shoot the dogs, then the owner. Then look into negligence charges against the officials that let it get to that point.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...g=Dog%20Attack
it's really annoying. pit bulls are nice dogs.
they are animals. they have their own instincts. and we don't understand them.
I have known dogs that never bit anyone, never were "vicious" but once attacked someone. it happens.
when i was around 9 or so my dad took me to his friend's house and I was in the back yard and they had a dog (not sure what kind, all i remember was it was black), and i crept up to pet it since I had a dog at home that was a complete mush.....i got close and he attacked.... didnt get me too bad, but it could have been very ugly.
had i reacted a second slower, i could have been "mauled" and for all I know the cops would have came and euthanized the dog after i was admitted to the hospital. But it wasn't the dog's fault. It was my fault, and most specifically, my dad's fault for leaving me unattended.
I have a bernese mountain dog at home now, harmless dog, but he can get frisky and pissed off and he may bite ya.....but that's life, he's a dog.
Originally posted by applenut
does it make it right?
with you're argument you are justifying cruelty to animals simply because others are exposed to cruelty as well.
i don't want any animal to be mutilated. this story of the dog getting its tail chopped off by scissors in a barber's office is digusting and easier to attack and charge. i don't want chickens pigs and cows to be mistreated either.
i really dont see the point of your argument other than to try and cause a stir.
Context is important here. Millions of farm animals are raised in cruel conditions in the country and it's perfectly acceptable under the law. On the other hand, one person chops off a portion of one dog's tale and there is an almost universal reaction of sympathy for the poor puppy. Obviously, someone who is against the current condition of farm animals raised on industrial farms would be opposed to singular acts of animal cruelty, so I don't see where on earth you came up with bunge being pro-cruelty to animals. In fact, you're both very much in agreement on the issue as you conclude.
mmm buffalo wings.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Context is important here. Millions of farm animals are raised in cruel conditions in the country and it's perfectly acceptable under the law. On the other hand, one person chops off a portion of one dog's tale and there is an almost universal reaction of sympathy for the poor puppy. Obviously, someone who is against the current condition of farm animals raised on industrial farms would be opposed to singular acts of animal cruelty, so I don't see where on earth you came up with bunge being pro-cruelty to animals. In fact, you're both very much in agreement on the issue as you conclude.
mmm buffalo wings.
oh my god.
people here are becoming verrrrry dense
i was just turning it back on him. im sure (well hope so) bunge is againt cruelty to animals.
AppleOutsider is a mess
Originally posted by alcimedes
bunge, you're a $$$$ing idiot. find me a post where people say it's fine to abuse animals as long as you're going to eat them.
i swear you make a concerted effort to be thick.
I know this hurts alcimedes, but actually you're being the thick idiot.
Originally posted by alcimedes
you don't understand the difference between lopping of a tail for asthetic reasons and killing an animal to eat it?
Are you so dense that you don't see the argument is comparing lopping off a tail and the torture animals go through before they're killed for food? No, you don't see it because yes, you are that dense.
I feel sorry for you. Anyone here being honest can see the argument I'm making, except perhaps you. You jumped out with an attack and you'll most likely be too proud to rethink your position and see the other side. I feel sorry for you still.
Applenut, you don't "combine killing for food with mutilation," but that's not always correct. I don't argue against the food chain. I argue against a blind faith position like the one you're espousing. Although the food chain doesn't necessitate mutilation, the reality is that in a majority of the cases mutilation and torture are now part of the process of creating your food. Not the act of killing, but the weeks and months leading up to that death.
Kickhaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat. If you claim to care about one you're hypocritical if you don't care about the other.
Eat whatever you want, but if you're going to climb up on your high horse and ignore or just simply be ignorant of some facts I'll gladly tell you when I think you're wrong.
We're just doin' it like the do it on Discovery Channel.
It's hard to be at the top of the food chain. But yummy never the less.
But many things can be done to prevent cruelty beyond what is necessary. That's also a resposibility of a sentient being. My cats don't understand what they are doing is 'inhumane'. We would.
Originally posted by bunge
Kickaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat.
Not *MINE*, you flippin' dipstick, read post number four. Here, let me save you the scrolling you can't seem to do:
BUT... I don't eat fast food, I usually eat at restaurants that have a policy of only using hormone/antibiotic free and free range meat, and I only buy such for myself.
So get off *your* high horse and stop acting so damned righteous. You're not. You're just showing you lack in fundamental reading skills, okay?
Christ on a flaming pogo stick of doom, really.
You're preaching to the converted, and you can't even see it, you're so blinded by your holy mission. Jeez.
Originally posted by applenut
oh my god.
people here are becoming verrrrry dense
i was just turning it back on him. im sure (well hope so) bunge is againt cruelty to animals.
AppleOutsider is a mess
And I refuted what you "turned back on him." Bunge's argument does not "justify cruelty to animals simply because others are exposed to cruelty as well." In fact, it does the opposite of what you said. Problems?
that's the whole point. he's trying to find something to justify his being on the rag, and it's pathetic.
he's arguing with NO ONE but he can't help but BITCH. it's in his nature, and it really has no place in this thread.
Originally posted by bunge
I know this hurts alcimedes, but actually you're being the thick idiot.
Are you so dense that you don't see the argument is comparing lopping off a tail and the torture animals go through before they're killed for food? No, you don't see it because yes, you are that dense.
I feel sorry for you. Anyone here being honest can see the argument I'm making, except perhaps you. You jumped out with an attack and you'll most likely be too proud to rethink your position and see the other side. I feel sorry for you still.
Applenut, you don't "combine killing for food with mutilation," but that's not always correct. I don't argue against the food chain. I argue against a blind faith position like the one you're espousing. Although the food chain doesn't necessitate mutilation, the reality is that in a majority of the cases mutilation and torture are now part of the process of creating your food. Not the act of killing, but the weeks and months leading up to that death.
Kickhaha, I know your position just fine and you clearly stated that you're "deliberately trying to keep [mutilation and killing for food] distinct." As I stated for Applenut, realistically that's a farce. Ideally it's fine. Have a farm, treat your animals like kings, or buy from a 'friendly' farm. But the reality is that torture and mutilation far worse than nipping a tail is integrated into the process of creating your meat. If you claim to care about one you're hypocritical if you don't care about the other.
Eat whatever you want, but if you're going to climb up on your high horse and ignore or just simply be ignorant of some facts I'll gladly tell you when I think you're wrong.
You're already arguing with 3 people and you claim that other people aren't looking at the facts?! Could it ever possibly go through your head that you may be mistaken?? Or is your brain on its period?
Originally posted by alcimedes
i'd also love to see photos of the supposed pit bulls in most of these attacks. too often any dog that attacks people is called a pit bull by the media, because those are a better story.
it's really annoying. pit bulls are nice dogs.
Huh?? Look, I'm a dog lover too, but these statements are pretty much wrong.
The American Terrier (Pitbull) and various other Bull Terriers were originally bred as guess what...fighting dogs
The short snouts on Pitbulls make them very dangerous.
Here, Pitbulls are owned primarily by naive or abusive owners.
They were intentionally bred to be aggressive. They are not nice dogs by nature. Sheesh.
Bunge hypocritically says:
but if you're going to be so hypocritical as to say trimming a tail is worse than the treatment chickens, pigs and cows get prior to their slaughter then you're a $$$$ing shithead, or a jerk. Or you're a simpleton. Or blind. Etc..
Still not going to acknowledge this Bunge?
Originally posted by BR
Well, for a bunch of borderline looney PC lefties that always whine about mudslinging and attack campaigns of the Republican party, you guys sure as hell don't mind using the same tactics when it suits your own cause.
Still not going to acknowledge this Bunge?
uhg. can we stop with the baiting and flaming
why must every discussion here turn to shit?
Hell, I dunno, that's the only reason I can think of, since people seem to get off on it so much. :P
Originally posted by Kickaha
Because it's FUN!
Hell, I dunno, that's the only reason I can think of, since people seem to get off on it so much. :P
yea, i know.
$$$$ YOU SHITHEAD
Originally posted by applenut
I hate people...stuff like that pisses me off more than anything else.
Originally posted by applenut
don't be a $$$$ing shithead
Originally posted by Kickaha
Don't be a jerk.
And I'm on the rag? Get your priorities straight people. Some of you flew off the handle when a different poster derailed your point. It got you all worked up even more than originally.
I'm sorry your logic is faulty, but I'll stand by my words. Eat what you want, I don't care. But if you're going to be hypocritical or ignorant, don't complain if someone else points it out.
Kickhaha, sorry. I didn't see the post where you said you buy 'clean' meat (or however you want to describe it.)
BR, you need to increase your vocabulary. Try and learn what the word 'or' means. It's a tough one, but I imagine you can handle it.
Originally posted by bunge
Kickhaha, sorry. I didn't see the post where you said you buy 'clean' meat (or however you want to describe it.)
Well I only had to point you to it *twice*...
(And it's Kickaha. Not Kickhaha, bungie...)
http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/america...llterrier.html
http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/terrie...rier.std.shtml
http://www.rescueeverydog.org/pitbull_breed.html
Regarding reporting
http://www.dapbt.org/media.htm (this one isn't the best grammer wise, but he's an aussie, so we'll cut him slack.)
http://www.thedogplace.com/hotnews/av6.asp
i'd post more but it's pretty obvious that the media loves to portray american pit bulls as vicious.