pit bulls are dog aggressive, not people aggressive.
as for the "bite force" stats, they're all bogus. no scientific test has ever been done to compare the bite strength of the various breeds.
(at least none that i've ever read)
every dog should be socialized with other dogs and children at a young age. that's S.O.P.
Aggressive is aggressive. Anyway that's much less measurable than bite force on the other hand. Think of it as a lever. The stoutness of the muzzle lends itself to a stronger clamping action. Plus, I was just quoting the source you provided, so you can't claim it one way then ignore it now.
I'm so sorry, Powerdoc... my cat's getting older now, and I've actually thought about how I would go about handling her passing. I'm sorry it had to happen, but I'm glad that he was at home. I actually think that's quite important.
I'm so sorry, Powerdoc... my cat's getting older now, and I've actually thought about how I would go about handling her passing. I'm sorry it had to happen, but I'm glad that she was at home. I actually think that's quite important.
Thanks, i feel better now that he has passed. He was in a very poor shape these last times, but i did not wanted to shorten his life, because i did not supported to see him like this. I decided to shorten his life only in the extreme end.
He was only 5, and before he get ill in may, he was a very strong cat.
I have read a very good book about cat : a cat named Darwin from William Jordan published by Houghton Mifflin Company. It's not a stupid book abouts pet, it's the clinical description of his relation with a cat.
The topic I believe was animal cruelty, and not a discussion on whether eating meat was acceptable.
Personally I believe people are inherently evil and sick, and basically looking out for number one. Given the choice of giving money to a kid dying of leukemia or giving to a animal organisation, I would choose to help the animal every time. Why? Because we deserve everything we get. There has never been a more destructive force on this planet than man. I was actually rooting for SARS. Would the loss of 20% of the population really be a bad thing?
As South Park says, "Thin out the numbers"....
And yes, I eat meat; the controlled farming of animals and doing sick perverted s**t to them are completely different. As the highest species on the food chain we should look to preserve the balance of nature, not exploit it.
Aggressive is aggressive. Anyway that's much less measurable than bite force on the other hand. Think of it as a lever. The stoutness of the muzzle lends itself to a stronger clamping action. Plus, I was just quoting the source you provided, so you can't claim it one way then ignore it now.
Aggresiveness has quite a bit to do with the uprbringin of the dog. The environment of the dog plays a BIG part in the aggressiveness of it.
Having a family of Rottwieller owners, I can tell you that most of them are big babies, until you mess with someone in the family. Then they'll go for you, almost as fast as I would. Same could be said for Pitbulls. We don't train our dogs to attack, but they are trained to behave and respond to commands. But I have no doubt that if I were attacked the dogs would seriously hurt the attacker. Then again, my friend would have my back the same way.
My cats mutilate and torture mice before killing and eating them. If they eat them at all. Other wild animals kill their prey in a manner we would call inhumane.
We're just doin' it like the do it on Discovery Channel.
It's hard to be at the top of the food chain. But yummy never the less.
But many things can be done to prevent cruelty beyond what is necessary. That's also a resposibility of a sentient being. My cats don't understand what they are doing is 'inhumane'. We would.
Can you apply the term 'inhumane' to a non-human?
And if you are the top of the food chain, what's a cannibal? Does that mean that it's ok to kill and torture something because it's food? Because I'm sure Dahmer's victims would have disagreed with you.
As a vegetarian of over 12 (has it been that long?) let me tell you that people who feel strongly enough about this just do it and don't whine about how much they love to eat meat too much to give it up. If you care enough to be vegetarian, you do it. Don't feed me (no pun intended) the line "I'd go vegetarian except for chicken wings" and pretend you care. You don't. If you cared, you'd give them up. If knew and understood what was involved in the raising of animals for meat you'd probably stop eating it, whether you enjoy eating meat or not. To be honest, the way chickens are raised is disgusting, and veal is sick.
I came to my own moral conclusion on this a while ago. Nothing you will say will dissuade me from my decision at this point. I came to the understanding that meat is dead flesh, no matter what you call it (veal, venison, ground chuck). I had a problem morally with the fact that such death was 'needed'.
I know how most of the animals raised for food are raised and killed, thus I am vegetarian.
what about the vegetables? they are usually treated horrible, dug up from their warm homes or yanked of their tree(away from mommy) only to be cruley shipped to have someone wrip them apart and eat them....
remember, in order for something to live, something must die.....
I want to start off saying this, I in no way support animal cruelty, and the barber's actions of cutting off the dog's tail was definitely wrong. However, I sometimes get confused and frustrated. We have hundreds of organizations, and people donating thousands of dollars to animal protection agencies, but hundreds of people throughout the world, are mutilated, tortured and killed daily. A year ago, over 300 women, disappeared and were killed in Mexico, there was basically no media coverage, and no one posted a thread in AO about this. There are countless other human-rights violations occurring throughout the world today, but they will go unnoticed. But, if a picture of an abused puppy is put up, that will gather attention, but if a picture of an armless child, cut off by soldiers from Rwanda is shown, it will be ignored. Shouldn't this situation be the other way around? I don't know, maybe I am the one that is wrong here, but I just feel as if our concerns are good, but in the wrong place sometimes.
On a side note, I have been a member of Amnesty International USA for sometime now. The work this organization does is amazing, and what they have accomplished is wonderful.
And if you are the top of the food chain, what's a cannibal? Does that mean that it's ok to kill and torture something because it's food? Because I'm sure Dahmer's victims would have disagreed with you.
As a vegetarian of over 12 (has it been that long?) let me tell you that people who feel strongly enough about this just do it and don't whine about how much they love to eat meat too much to give it up. If you care enough to be vegetarian, you do it. Don't feed me (no pun intended) the line "I'd go vegetarian except for chicken wings" and pretend you care. You don't. If you cared, you'd give them up. If knew and understood what was involved in the raising of animals for meat you'd probably stop eating it, whether you enjoy eating meat or not. To be honest, the way chickens are raised is disgusting, and veal is sick.
I came to my own moral conclusion on this a while ago. Nothing you will say will dissuade me from my decision at this point. I came to the understanding that meat is dead flesh, no matter what you call it (veal, venison, ground chuck). I had a problem morally with the fact that such death was 'needed'.
the problem with (most) vegetarians is that they are snobs and think they are up on some pedastal.
don't tell me I don't care. I have no idea what values I have and what i care about. People have eaten meet for thousands of years and only the minority now don't.
I burn thousands of calories everyday, I need protein. Meat is an important part of my diet. I know and understand what goes on in the raising of animals. and I would support any cause to stop the problems. But I'm not going to stop eating meat.
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I want to start off saying this, I in no way support animal cruelty, and the barber's actions of cutting off the dog's tail was definitely wrong. However, I sometimes get confused and frustrated. We have hundreds of organizations, and people donating thousands of dollars to animal protection agencies, but hundreds of people throughout the world, are mutilated, tortured and killed daily. A year ago, over 300 women, disappeared and were killed in Mexico, there was basically no media coverage, and no one posted a thread in AO about this. There are countless other human-rights violations occurring throughout the world today, but they will go unnoticed. But, if a picture of an abused puppy is put up, that will gather attention, but if a picture of an armless child, cut off by soldiers from Rwanda is shown, it will be ignored. Shouldn't this situation be the other way around? I don't know, maybe I am the one that is wrong here, but I just feel as if our concerns are good, but in the wrong place sometimes.
question...how will anyone or anything be helped/changed if anytime someone brings up a problem people say there are more important things to help?
question...how will anyone or anything be helped/changed if anytime someone brings up a problem people say there are more important things to help?
I believe, that some people go on these crusades for animal protection, as a method to make themselves feel as if they are doing something to change the world, while knowingly, ignoring the larger more important issues. We have a fundamental obligation to protect human rights for all, and should not turn our attention away, even though the task is difficult.
You know, I've been a vegetarian for ~8 years and just recently decided to go through a period of eating meat again. Eating meat certainly in not necessary. I'm extremely athletic, even riding my bike everywhere I go. My stamina is phenomenal and overall health is perfect.
I don't know about other vegetarians (since I don't ever talk or ask about), but about a year after I stopped eating meat I no longer thought about it. Eating meat to me was like eating wood: it just didn't happen and wasn't an option so what's there to think about. You don't think about the fact you don't eat wood, do you? It becomes automatic. Someone once told me long ago that without meat flavor becomes more intense and this is certainly true.
Now, I would eat fish if it was really good, which is not typical. There are certain sea animals I won't eat, like shrimp, because of the horrible devestation the collection causes. Anyone that thinks it's OK is a selfish ignorant f.ck.
Beef simply is disgusting, even though it tastes so damn good. It's going to take some time for me to get back to beef knowing what goes on in the industry. It really is nasty no matter how you look at it, so just accept it and know that all of you that eat it are nasty MFs. Of course, I have been having a big old craving for both steak and charred burger, so I'll be a nasty MF with you all for a little while soon.
I think these arguments about needing to eat meat are extremely flawed. If you want to, that's one thing, but to say it's necessary is just stupid.
I believe, that some people go on these crusades for animal protection, as a method to make themselves feel as if they are doing something to change the world, while knowingly, ignoring the larger more important issues. We have a fundamental obligation to protect human rights for all, and should not turn our attention away, even though the task is difficult.
This is total bullshit. Do you even know anyone that does humanitarian work in third world countries? I'm guessing not, or maybe you have a sister that did a three week work camp in cambodia once at the most, since what you are saying is about as contrary to reality as one can get.
You know, I've been a vegetarian for ~8 years and just recently decided to go through a period of eating meat again. Eating meat certainly in not necessary. I'm extremely athletic, even riding my bike everywhere I go. My stamina is phenomenal and overall health is perfect.
I don't know about other vegetarians (since I don't ever talk or ask about), but about a year after I stopped eating meat I no longer thought about it. Eating meat to me was like eating wood: it just didn't happen and wasn't an option so what's there to think about. You don't think about the fact you don't eat wood, do you? It becomes automatic. Someone once told me long ago that without meat flavor becomes more intense and this is certainly true.
Now, I would eat fish if it was really good, which is not typical. There are certain sea animals I won't eat, like shrimp, because of the horrible devestation the collection causes. Anyone that thinks it's OK is a selfish ignorant f.ck.
Beef simply is disgusting, even though it tastes so damn good. It's going to take some time for me to get back to beef knowing what goes on in the industry. It really is nasty no matter how you look at it, so just accept it and know that all of you that eat it are nasty MFs. Of course, I have been having a big old craving for both steak and charred burger, so I'll be a nasty MF with you all for a little while soon.
I think these arguments about needing to eat meat are extremely flawed. If you want to, that's one thing, but to say it's necessary is just stupid.
Then why are you going back to eating meat? My cousin recently stopped being a vegetarian after 6 years and he refuses to give anyone a definite answer why he started eating meat again. I'm truly curious.
I'd say that, in general, the human body needs *way* less meat than most people eat. I'd even go so far as to say that for most people, meatless is a viable alternative.
Seemingly not for this body, after years of attempts at a vegetarian diet. \
I see eating meat as a dietary 'restriction', rather like a medical diet. I eat it because if I don't, I feel like utter crap after a while (a few weeks), and *nothing* I have found, from all of the highly supportive vegan and vegetarian friends and family, has done any good over the months that follow. Just red meat. There's something about it that my body craves, on a very deep level. After years of fighting it, I decided to just listen to my damned body, and give it what it asks for. Which is mostly fruits and veggies, as little refined sugar as possible, some bread, cheese, and... red meat every so often. Beef only because it's easier to get, my body really wants venison or buffalo. *shrug* (Ostrich isn't a bad substitute, and rather tasty.)
Because I choose to eat it, I find the most humane sources I can, and only support those wherever possible. It's that whole voting with my wallet as a consumer thing...
I mean come on, the Dalai Lama eats meat on the advice of his doctor. Think of it as a medical necessity for some people. \
Then why ar eyou going back to eating meat? My cousin recently stopped being a vegitarian after 6 years and he refuses to give anyone a definite answer. I'm trully curious.
Part of it is this principle I live by that I should be ready for anything. I'm a life adventure freak, so I was in a lot of unique and extreme situations when I was younger that taught me to be prepared. Since I haven't eaten meat in so long, it makes me a little ill, which is not good if I'm forced into a situation that requires me to eat it, esspecially if the meat is really low quality.
Part of it is that I actually really like meat and have been having a crazy craving for some good red flesh. I have this crazy cat that likes to kill things and I'm starting to get a little jealous of him, you know?
But I doubt I will continue to eat very much meat. It really is foul and some industrial methods are very destructive. Call me crazy, but I just don't need to be much of a part of that. I'm goofy like that. I recognize that I consume things (from computers to food) that are destructive in production and/or disposal, but I do my best to keep it to a minimum while allowing myself the full range of necessary mobility in my actions. If something I want to do can be done in a less destructive or harmful way, then I do it that way.
It's also very true that a diet without meat makes the body feel very clean and good.
Think of it as a medical necessity for some people.
Yeah, I've always been real curious about this. I feel like recently my body has wanted red meat, and I'll find out soon enough if that's what it is. For the whole time I haven't eaten meat there has been not problem. Maybe an initial shock back when I started, but I don't really remember.
Looking at the people I've known well, the righteous vegitarians tend to be just reacting to the crazy militant beef eaters who act like anything beyond a steak and potatoes diet makes someone strange or weak. Of course, I also harbor the stereotype of the corduroyed early twenties girl who think she's the top of civilization because she doesn't eat meat. They make some really important and valid points, but god help you if you try to tell them anything at all in favor of meat.
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Originally posted by alcimedes
pit bulls are dog aggressive, not people aggressive.
as for the "bite force" stats, they're all bogus. no scientific test has ever been done to compare the bite strength of the various breeds.
(at least none that i've ever read)
every dog should be socialized with other dogs and children at a young age. that's S.O.P.
Aggressive is aggressive. Anyway that's much less measurable than bite force on the other hand. Think of it as a lever. The stoutness of the muzzle lends itself to a stronger clamping action. Plus, I was just quoting the source you provided, so you can't claim it one way then ignore it now.
Originally posted by burningwheel
why don't you have time? make time!
My cat passed this night. It was scheduled to shorten his pain today. But now it's unnecessary.
I think it's better this way. He died in his beloved home.
Originally posted by Kickaha
I'm so sorry, Powerdoc... my cat's getting older now, and I've actually thought about how I would go about handling her passing. I'm sorry it had to happen, but I'm glad that she was at home. I actually think that's quite important.
Thanks, i feel better now that he has passed. He was in a very poor shape these last times, but i did not wanted to shorten his life, because i did not supported to see him like this. I decided to shorten his life only in the extreme end.
He was only 5, and before he get ill in may, he was a very strong cat.
I have read a very good book about cat : a cat named Darwin from William Jordan published by Houghton Mifflin Company. It's not a stupid book abouts pet, it's the clinical description of his relation with a cat.
Wednesday Dinner: Trader Joe's 4% fat Ground Beef made with a combination of Teriyaki and Taco sauces.
Thursday Dinner: BBQ Chicken Breast, boneless skinless.
Friday Dinner: Ground veal shaped into burgers and cooked in a bit of olive oil, garlic, and chili powder.
Saturday Dinner: Lean Cuisine Pepperoni Pizza.
Yum. I love veal.
Originally posted by shetline
If were aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?
Yeah, wouldn't they be made out of leafy greens or something if we weren't supposed to eat them?
Personally I believe people are inherently evil and sick, and basically looking out for number one. Given the choice of giving money to a kid dying of leukemia or giving to a animal organisation, I would choose to help the animal every time. Why? Because we deserve everything we get. There has never been a more destructive force on this planet than man. I was actually rooting for SARS. Would the loss of 20% of the population really be a bad thing?
As South Park says, "Thin out the numbers"....
And yes, I eat meat; the controlled farming of animals and doing sick perverted s**t to them are completely different. As the highest species on the food chain we should look to preserve the balance of nature, not exploit it.
Now I am all depressed....
Originally posted by Eugene
Aggressive is aggressive. Anyway that's much less measurable than bite force on the other hand. Think of it as a lever. The stoutness of the muzzle lends itself to a stronger clamping action. Plus, I was just quoting the source you provided, so you can't claim it one way then ignore it now.
Aggresiveness has quite a bit to do with the uprbringin of the dog. The environment of the dog plays a BIG part in the aggressiveness of it.
Having a family of Rottwieller owners, I can tell you that most of them are big babies, until you mess with someone in the family. Then they'll go for you, almost as fast as I would. Same could be said for Pitbulls. We don't train our dogs to attack, but they are trained to behave and respond to commands. But I have no doubt that if I were attacked the dogs would seriously hurt the attacker. Then again, my friend would have my back the same way.
Blame the owners and trainers. Not the dog.
Originally posted by Outsider
My cats mutilate and torture mice before killing and eating them. If they eat them at all. Other wild animals kill their prey in a manner we would call inhumane.
We're just doin' it like the do it on Discovery Channel.
It's hard to be at the top of the food chain. But yummy never the less.
But many things can be done to prevent cruelty beyond what is necessary. That's also a resposibility of a sentient being. My cats don't understand what they are doing is 'inhumane'. We would.
Can you apply the term 'inhumane' to a non-human?
And if you are the top of the food chain, what's a cannibal? Does that mean that it's ok to kill and torture something because it's food? Because I'm sure Dahmer's victims would have disagreed with you.
As a vegetarian of over 12 (has it been that long?) let me tell you that people who feel strongly enough about this just do it and don't whine about how much they love to eat meat too much to give it up. If you care enough to be vegetarian, you do it. Don't feed me (no pun intended) the line "I'd go vegetarian except for chicken wings" and pretend you care. You don't. If you cared, you'd give them up. If knew and understood what was involved in the raising of animals for meat you'd probably stop eating it, whether you enjoy eating meat or not. To be honest, the way chickens are raised is disgusting, and veal is sick.
I came to my own moral conclusion on this a while ago. Nothing you will say will dissuade me from my decision at this point. I came to the understanding that meat is dead flesh, no matter what you call it (veal, venison, ground chuck). I had a problem morally with the fact that such death was 'needed'.
Originally posted by FaydRautha
veal is sick
Yummy. Nothing tastes better than baby cow.
Originally posted by Giaguara
I know how most of the animals raised for food are raised and killed, thus I am vegetarian.
what about the vegetables? they are usually treated horrible, dug up from their warm homes or yanked of their tree(away from mommy) only to be cruley shipped to have someone wrip them apart and eat them....
remember, in order for something to live, something must die.....
On a side note, I have been a member of Amnesty International USA for sometime now. The work this organization does is amazing, and what they have accomplished is wonderful.
USA - http://www.amnestyusa.org
World - http://www.amnesty.org
Ok, everyone can verbally lynch me now.
Originally posted by FaydRautha
Can you apply the term 'inhumane' to a non-human?
And if you are the top of the food chain, what's a cannibal? Does that mean that it's ok to kill and torture something because it's food? Because I'm sure Dahmer's victims would have disagreed with you.
As a vegetarian of over 12 (has it been that long?) let me tell you that people who feel strongly enough about this just do it and don't whine about how much they love to eat meat too much to give it up. If you care enough to be vegetarian, you do it. Don't feed me (no pun intended) the line "I'd go vegetarian except for chicken wings" and pretend you care. You don't. If you cared, you'd give them up. If knew and understood what was involved in the raising of animals for meat you'd probably stop eating it, whether you enjoy eating meat or not. To be honest, the way chickens are raised is disgusting, and veal is sick.
I came to my own moral conclusion on this a while ago. Nothing you will say will dissuade me from my decision at this point. I came to the understanding that meat is dead flesh, no matter what you call it (veal, venison, ground chuck). I had a problem morally with the fact that such death was 'needed'.
the problem with (most) vegetarians is that they are snobs and think they are up on some pedastal.
don't tell me I don't care. I have no idea what values I have and what i care about. People have eaten meet for thousands of years and only the minority now don't.
I burn thousands of calories everyday, I need protein. Meat is an important part of my diet. I know and understand what goes on in the raising of animals. and I would support any cause to stop the problems. But I'm not going to stop eating meat.
I want to start off saying this, I in no way support animal cruelty, and the barber's actions of cutting off the dog's tail was definitely wrong. However, I sometimes get confused and frustrated. We have hundreds of organizations, and people donating thousands of dollars to animal protection agencies, but hundreds of people throughout the world, are mutilated, tortured and killed daily. A year ago, over 300 women, disappeared and were killed in Mexico, there was basically no media coverage, and no one posted a thread in AO about this. There are countless other human-rights violations occurring throughout the world today, but they will go unnoticed. But, if a picture of an abused puppy is put up, that will gather attention, but if a picture of an armless child, cut off by soldiers from Rwanda is shown, it will be ignored. Shouldn't this situation be the other way around? I don't know, maybe I am the one that is wrong here, but I just feel as if our concerns are good, but in the wrong place sometimes.
question...how will anyone or anything be helped/changed if anytime someone brings up a problem people say there are more important things to help?
Originally posted by applenut
question...how will anyone or anything be helped/changed if anytime someone brings up a problem people say there are more important things to help?
I believe, that some people go on these crusades for animal protection, as a method to make themselves feel as if they are doing something to change the world, while knowingly, ignoring the larger more important issues. We have a fundamental obligation to protect human rights for all, and should not turn our attention away, even though the task is difficult.
I don't know about other vegetarians (since I don't ever talk or ask about), but about a year after I stopped eating meat I no longer thought about it. Eating meat to me was like eating wood: it just didn't happen and wasn't an option so what's there to think about. You don't think about the fact you don't eat wood, do you? It becomes automatic. Someone once told me long ago that without meat flavor becomes more intense and this is certainly true.
Now, I would eat fish if it was really good, which is not typical. There are certain sea animals I won't eat, like shrimp, because of the horrible devestation the collection causes. Anyone that thinks it's OK is a selfish ignorant f.ck.
Beef simply is disgusting, even though it tastes so damn good. It's going to take some time for me to get back to beef knowing what goes on in the industry. It really is nasty no matter how you look at it, so just accept it and know that all of you that eat it are nasty MFs. Of course, I have been having a big old craving for both steak and charred burger, so I'll be a nasty MF with you all for a little while soon.
I think these arguments about needing to eat meat are extremely flawed. If you want to, that's one thing, but to say it's necessary is just stupid.
Originally posted by Mac Man 020581
I believe, that some people go on these crusades for animal protection, as a method to make themselves feel as if they are doing something to change the world, while knowingly, ignoring the larger more important issues. We have a fundamental obligation to protect human rights for all, and should not turn our attention away, even though the task is difficult.
This is total bullshit. Do you even know anyone that does humanitarian work in third world countries? I'm guessing not, or maybe you have a sister that did a three week work camp in cambodia once at the most, since what you are saying is about as contrary to reality as one can get.
Originally posted by giant
You know, I've been a vegetarian for ~8 years and just recently decided to go through a period of eating meat again. Eating meat certainly in not necessary. I'm extremely athletic, even riding my bike everywhere I go. My stamina is phenomenal and overall health is perfect.
I don't know about other vegetarians (since I don't ever talk or ask about), but about a year after I stopped eating meat I no longer thought about it. Eating meat to me was like eating wood: it just didn't happen and wasn't an option so what's there to think about. You don't think about the fact you don't eat wood, do you? It becomes automatic. Someone once told me long ago that without meat flavor becomes more intense and this is certainly true.
Now, I would eat fish if it was really good, which is not typical. There are certain sea animals I won't eat, like shrimp, because of the horrible devestation the collection causes. Anyone that thinks it's OK is a selfish ignorant f.ck.
Beef simply is disgusting, even though it tastes so damn good. It's going to take some time for me to get back to beef knowing what goes on in the industry. It really is nasty no matter how you look at it, so just accept it and know that all of you that eat it are nasty MFs. Of course, I have been having a big old craving for both steak and charred burger, so I'll be a nasty MF with you all for a little while soon.
I think these arguments about needing to eat meat are extremely flawed. If you want to, that's one thing, but to say it's necessary is just stupid.
Then why are you going back to eating meat? My cousin recently stopped being a vegetarian after 6 years and he refuses to give anyone a definite answer why he started eating meat again. I'm truly curious.
Seemingly not for this body, after years of attempts at a vegetarian diet.
I see eating meat as a dietary 'restriction', rather like a medical diet. I eat it because if I don't, I feel like utter crap after a while (a few weeks), and *nothing* I have found, from all of the highly supportive vegan and vegetarian friends and family, has done any good over the months that follow. Just red meat. There's something about it that my body craves, on a very deep level. After years of fighting it, I decided to just listen to my damned body, and give it what it asks for. Which is mostly fruits and veggies, as little refined sugar as possible, some bread, cheese, and... red meat every so often. Beef only because it's easier to get, my body really wants venison or buffalo. *shrug* (Ostrich isn't a bad substitute, and rather tasty.)
Because I choose to eat it, I find the most humane sources I can, and only support those wherever possible. It's that whole voting with my wallet as a consumer thing...
I mean come on, the Dalai Lama eats meat on the advice of his doctor. Think of it as a medical necessity for some people.
Originally posted by Outsider
Then why ar eyou going back to eating meat? My cousin recently stopped being a vegitarian after 6 years and he refuses to give anyone a definite answer. I'm trully curious.
Part of it is this principle I live by that I should be ready for anything. I'm a life adventure freak, so I was in a lot of unique and extreme situations when I was younger that taught me to be prepared. Since I haven't eaten meat in so long, it makes me a little ill, which is not good if I'm forced into a situation that requires me to eat it, esspecially if the meat is really low quality.
Part of it is that I actually really like meat and have been having a crazy craving for some good red flesh. I have this crazy cat that likes to kill things and I'm starting to get a little jealous of him, you know?
But I doubt I will continue to eat very much meat. It really is foul and some industrial methods are very destructive. Call me crazy, but I just don't need to be much of a part of that. I'm goofy like that. I recognize that I consume things (from computers to food) that are destructive in production and/or disposal, but I do my best to keep it to a minimum while allowing myself the full range of necessary mobility in my actions. If something I want to do can be done in a less destructive or harmful way, then I do it that way.
It's also very true that a diet without meat makes the body feel very clean and good.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Think of it as a medical necessity for some people.
Yeah, I've always been real curious about this. I feel like recently my body has wanted red meat, and I'll find out soon enough if that's what it is. For the whole time I haven't eaten meat there has been not problem. Maybe an initial shock back when I started, but I don't really remember.
Looking at the people I've known well, the righteous vegitarians tend to be just reacting to the crazy militant beef eaters who act like anything beyond a steak and potatoes diet makes someone strange or weak. Of course, I also harbor the stereotype of the corduroyed early twenties girl who think she's the top of civilization because she doesn't eat meat. They make some really important and valid points, but god help you if you try to tell them anything at all in favor of meat.