with the server problems team 1971 is having im glad they are seperate. i've entered the info, password, email, and checked the "agreement" box at the bottom and nothing. sheesh...
i do have a question though. why in the world are the mac teams divided up? it really would be in our best interest to have 1 Mac based team. when you're at 5% marketshare you really shouldn't fragment yourself when competing with others.
in the top 50 you have
MacNN at 11.6k
MacAddict4life at 9.1k
Team OSX at 13.9
MacOSRumors at 22.6k
together, you'd be pushing 57.2, which would put you within the top 10 teams in a few months.
as it is, no one team is likely to crack that barrier any time soon. you folks running the Mac based teams ever sit down and talk about combing them? it'd be nice to see a Mac based team in the top 5.
and maybe they should consider combining forces, that would put them in 4th place with a shot at third. maybe they could call it the "mac unity" or "mac united" team!
Well a lot of the PC teams could combine as well, but there's a catch, once you switch, you can't bring the points with you.
PC teams are competing with each other as well.
Also once you switch teams you have to start at zero in your particular team stats.
Your personal stats show how many points and for what team they are assigned to (or not assigned to), but you can't combine them or apply them to a new team.
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I like the idea of having numerous Mac Teams on the list, the more there are near the top the better, the more respect we get as a "Mac", something we all enjoy.
Plus it gives each Mac Team a few chances at beating some PC team along the way.
There are a lot of PC's out there and they had the Folding@home software long before Mac's did, so it's understandable they have a considerable head start. (especially those overclockers)
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So even if we all combined we probably would never take the top spot, but we have fun beating who we can.
In our case the SilentPC Review is really being pains in our collective behinds.
So throw in, get folding and lets take those WinDroids down!
thanks sailfish i just tried again and got the same error but im wondering if it might be a problem in the registration page itself for instance, i fill out the top section but i leave name blank. i put in login name:futuremac, pw, country, email, checkmark the "i agree" button, but i dont put my name in, if thats needed maybe thats why its not working. ill try again and put a 1st name in.
it seems the "bug" is that it requires a first name or inital, you guys might want to put an * next to that as most of these bbs registration sites have those marks next to needed entries. thanks
Ok the boards have settled down a bit after getting swamped tonight, thanks to everyone who tried to get in the forums.
I hope your all are by now, have downloaded Folding@home and are cranking away with #1971 entered as the team number.
You can register in the forums when you get a chance.
We really need your help to beat these silly SilentPC Review guys who have been taunting us and the whole Mac platform.
So if you haven't already and for some reason the Team Mac OS X boards are flooded again, you can download the software here directly from the Stanford University site
alright, sorry to the first poster but i'm joining team 1971. i hate to see PC users stick their collective tongues out at mac users after throwing the gauntlet down. i should have at least three machines to add.
Hello everyone. I apologise for any problems you have had getting registerred on the team boards. I am running it on Cable Modem and it is also folding. I am going to stop it from folding and see if that eases the strain a bit. I am looking to have it hosted elsewhere but have no money to do so right now.
When you register the Name is a required field. If it did not say so it should have. Let me know on the team site or here if the boards are still slow after I have made the changes. Welcome any newcomers to TeamMacOSX!
Also, about combining mac teams. It has been discussed before and most of the mac teams don't want to give up their identity to do so. Mostly because they are sponsored teams and would lose their sponsorship if they do so. As far as I know TeamMacOSX is the only top 30 Mac team that is not sponsored by a major organization or website, and I am pretty darn proud of that fact. There will be more tweaking of the boards to come to try to squeeze out every ounce of performance from them so please let me know how it goes, either way over the next week or so.
so does the new folding client automatically work with dual processors, or do you stlil have to run two instances of the app.?
All versions can only use 100%, if you have Dual processors you have 200% available, that's why we run via terminal, so we can run more than one and maximize output. You can't run two GUI versions. If you try using another "user" you lose a lot of cycles to the OS monitoring.
Running two versions via terminal does run automatically, provided you don't configure it to "ask before connecting" and you leave your machine on and set your display to sleep, there are some serious tweaks that will start it upon re-boot and I'm not up to that level yet. : )
Here's how you do it:
Make sure you have finished and uploaded a unit if your using the GUI version and then delete the GUI version and it's Folding@home folder in your username Library folder (it will just cause problems)
Running multiple versions of the console version require using the terminal. I had no experience using it, but since undertaking F@H I have learned how to use it.
So I'll try to put it into very easy terms,
Dual processor machines can run a F@H at 100% on each processor maximum (one F@H can't take more than 100% even if you have 200% available with Dual processors), if you run 4, then each will take 50% of each processor, 8 will take 25% (8 is the max).
By default, the folding@home creates a folder in your Users/yourname/Library folder. This is to simplify things for 1 app uses.
Of course if your running more than one F@H, this will conflict as well as the programs themselves. So each F@H needs it's own folder and it's own machine id number.
Now the easy part : )
You create as many FAH folders as as many programs your going to run or have on standby.
I currently run 4 F@H, two are staggered so that if I am going to be offline I can set the two ones that will continue to work thus maximizing output.
For this demonstration we will use 2 FAH folders.
Create 2 FAH folders in your Users > "yourname"
Name each FAH1 and FAH2
Download the fah4 console version twice and place each one in a FAH folder
Launch terminal from your Utilities folder (don't double click on the fah4 icon)
New SHELL
type this and every * means a SPACE
cd*/Users/yourusername/FAH1;*./fah4*-local
(hit return, naturally)
You will next need to configure, with your nick and team number
Configure the other options if need be, like asking before connecting etc. (read below first)
Say YES to advanced options and at the end set the MACHINE ID to "1"
(it should be "1" by default)
Now it will download a protein and create the files it needs in your FAH1 folder instead of elsewhere.
When it's finished and you see it's working... (completed x of x)
now repeat for FAH2
New SHELL
cd /Users/yourusername/FAH2; ./fah4 -local
configure the MACHINE ID to "2"
And continue for each FAH you wish to run.
To stop a process hit Control "c", to restart just enter cd /Users/yourusername... etc. again. Don't forget the -local flag, if you do it will create a Folding@home folder in youruser Library and start downloading a new core.
cd - means to change directory
Users - is the name of a folder
yourusername - name of a folder of your home
./ - means to execute program (fah4)
- local means to keep/use files in the local folder (which is FAH1, FAH2.)
Some notes:
If you configure it with the option of "asking before connecting" it will not connect automatically, you have to type "c" when it asks. It can be sort of a drag, but if your suffering with a ISP who times you out constantly, then you need a new ISP : )
By default it checks to see if it can get online, first a few times right away, then a bit longer between tries, then finally I think its every hour or 6 hours or something.
Also a lot of these proteins have deadlines, you can check it out at the Stanford page. The Dual G5 can really crank these babies out, so as long as your uploading the finished work within 6 days you should be safe.
My Dual G5 can handle about 4 work units a day, depending on the size.
Then my eMac 800 Mhz does a little over 1 per day, of course depending on the size. Some are tiny and just get zipped out, I had one giant on my eMac and it was taking days, so I transfered it to my G5 which promptly finished it right off.
I have been folding for Team Mac OS X for about 1 month and have contributed almost 3100 points. Of course all of this time I wasn't running the 2 versions via terminal, just the single GUI.
Those SilentPC Review guys are only ahead by 8-10,000 points, so if we get another 10 G5's (or equivalent in other machines) online running hard we should be stomping on their grave very shortly.
That's about the limit of my knowledge, I'm still schooling in terminal.
But this has been a great opportunity to learn.
Come join us in the forums if you have any more questions, there are people there considerably more experienced than I.
Hi Plut, you really want me to tell you how nice the weather is?
77º and perrrrrfect! It has been cold here the last couple of days 60 something degree's. (Sailfish shivvers)
I think I'll go outside and go fishing : )
Plut,
aalcimedes is putting his Dual G5 to work and is going go multiple console, plus his other two machines.
So we should be seeing a boost here shortly
thanks alcimedes
and all others here at AppleInsider, a hearty thank you.
Keep Folding!
PS.
We still need more folks to join and help us finally defeat Silent PC Review which have been taunting all of us Mac users, so if you haven't been following the thread please do so and sign up.
Indeed we have a working board... and a working site.
I don't know why they are hosting out of someone basement.
For me, I know that my site is going to be up and isn't gonna fade into the background, if the site goes down because of hits... where are you gonna turn for your folding infomation and team info?
Noah I can understand that you have no money, but geez I just visited the site... I felt like I was back with AOL 56k...
Hey Pluts and Sailfish! How you guys doing? Glad to see some active discussion about the need for more Folding@home recruits to help put the Smack Down on the SPCR gloaters. As for MrMacMan and Team MacRumors. I thought about joining you guys early on in my Folding@home experience, but found no cohesive glue. As one of the top 50 folders in the project (Christian_Bargmann) I feel compelled to point out what attracted me to Team MacOS X. Yes your Team MacRumors has the big sponsorship and site traffic to attract new members, but Team MacOS X feels more like family. Just like my many Macs I have owned over the years. Too bad my Color Classic can't fold. Now if I could just get my eMate and MP2100 to run the CLI client. To all prospective Mac folders, please check out our site, you won't be disappointed. The site is in a continual state of improvement. All members contribute in one way or another to make the forums a fun and informational place. As for PCs, well, unfortunate as it may be Macs only have 5% market share and we must work in the other 95% so PCs are good to bring along with your personal Mac. No matter which team you join you are helping a good cause. Thanks. Fold on!
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with the server problems team 1971 is having im glad they are seperate. i've entered the info, password, email, and checked the "agreement" box at the bottom and nothing. sheesh...
does your team have a bbs registration system that works?
after 4 attemps to register with this board with no response i dont know what else to do:
http://noahj.homeunix.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi
Originally posted by futuremac
MrMacMan
does your team have a bbs registration system that works?
after 4 attemps to register with this board with no response i dont know what else to do:
http://noahj.homeunix.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi
What name did you register with? I'll talk to Noah...
Team Macrumors.com has a well functioning b-board. You can register in seconds.
Register at this page, then join us in the "Distributed Computing" forum.
http://forums.macrumors.com/register...&action=signup
We'll be more than glad to have you aboard. Make sure to check out the FAQ sticky.
-Maineroad
Team #3446 Macrumors.com
Originally posted by alcimedes
i do have a question though. why in the world are the mac teams divided up? it really would be in our best interest to have 1 Mac based team. when you're at 5% marketshare you really shouldn't fragment yourself when competing with others.
in the top 50 you have
MacNN at 11.6k
MacAddict4life at 9.1k
Team OSX at 13.9
MacOSRumors at 22.6k
together, you'd be pushing 57.2, which would put you within the top 10 teams in a few months.
as it is, no one team is likely to crack that barrier any time soon. you folks running the Mac based teams ever sit down and talk about combing them? it'd be nice to see a Mac based team in the top 5.
hmmmm alcimedes i just went and looked at the extreme overclocking folding board http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/#
and maybe they should consider combining forces, that would put them in 4th place with a shot at third. maybe they could call it the "mac unity" or "mac united" team!
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
About combining Mac Teams?
Well a lot of the PC teams could combine as well, but there's a catch, once you switch, you can't bring the points with you.
PC teams are competing with each other as well.
Also once you switch teams you have to start at zero in your particular team stats.
Your personal stats show how many points and for what team they are assigned to (or not assigned to), but you can't combine them or apply them to a new team.
---------
I like the idea of having numerous Mac Teams on the list, the more there are near the top the better, the more respect we get as a "Mac", something we all enjoy.
Plus it gives each Mac Team a few chances at beating some PC team along the way.
There are a lot of PC's out there and they had the Folding@home software long before Mac's did, so it's understandable they have a considerable head start. (especially those overclockers)
------
So even if we all combined we probably would never take the top spot, but we have fun beating who we can.
In our case the SilentPC Review is really being pains in our collective behinds.
So throw in, get folding and lets take those WinDroids down!
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
Originally posted by Sailfish
futuremac, I just came from the boards and they are working, try now.
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
thanks sailfish i just tried again and got the same error but im wondering if it might be a problem in the registration page itself for instance, i fill out the top section but i leave name blank. i put in login name:futuremac, pw, country, email, checkmark the "i agree" button, but i dont put my name in, if thats needed maybe thats why its not working. ill try again and put a 1st name in.
that seems to have done it.
it seems the "bug" is that it requires a first name or inital, you guys might want to put an * next to that as most of these bbs registration sites have those marks next to needed entries. thanks
or you can mention it yourself.
By the way, thanks for joining, see you in the forums and here at AppleInsider.
Good people here.
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More Folders needed, come one come all.
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
I hope your all are by now, have downloaded Folding@home and are cranking away with #1971 entered as the team number.
You can register in the forums when you get a chance.
We really need your help to beat these silly SilentPC Review guys who have been taunting us and the whole Mac platform.
So if you haven't already and for some reason the Team Mac OS X boards are flooded again, you can download the software here directly from the Stanford University site
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/
Team Mac OS X thanks you and of course the millions of lives we save by helping to cure many terrible diseases.
That we all can be thankful for.
By the way, Happy 20th anniversary Macintosh!
The next 20 years will be better than the first!
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
Originally posted by alcimedes
alright, sorry to the first poster but i'm joining team 1971. i hate to see PC users stick their collective tongues out at mac users after throwing the gauntlet down. i should have at least three machines to add.
Right on alcimedes, and thanks.
When you register the Name is a required field. If it did not say so it should have. Let me know on the team site or here if the boards are still slow after I have made the changes. Welcome any newcomers to TeamMacOSX!
Also, about combining mac teams. It has been discussed before and most of the mac teams don't want to give up their identity to do so. Mostly because they are sponsored teams and would lose their sponsorship if they do so. As far as I know TeamMacOSX is the only top 30 Mac team that is not sponsored by a major organization or website, and I am pretty darn proud of that fact. There will be more tweaking of the boards to come to try to squeeze out every ounce of performance from them so please let me know how it goes, either way over the next week or so.
Originally posted by alcimedes
so does the new folding client automatically work with dual processors, or do you stlil have to run two instances of the app.?
All versions can only use 100%, if you have Dual processors you have 200% available, that's why we run via terminal, so we can run more than one and maximize output. You can't run two GUI versions. If you try using another "user" you lose a lot of cycles to the OS monitoring.
Running two versions via terminal does run automatically, provided you don't configure it to "ask before connecting" and you leave your machine on and set your display to sleep, there are some serious tweaks that will start it upon re-boot and I'm not up to that level yet. : )
Here's how you do it:
Make sure you have finished and uploaded a unit if your using the GUI version and then delete the GUI version and it's Folding@home folder in your username Library folder (it will just cause problems)
Running multiple versions of the console version require using the terminal. I had no experience using it, but since undertaking F@H I have learned how to use it.
So I'll try to put it into very easy terms,
Dual processor machines can run a F@H at 100% on each processor maximum (one F@H can't take more than 100% even if you have 200% available with Dual processors), if you run 4, then each will take 50% of each processor, 8 will take 25% (8 is the max).
By default, the folding@home creates a folder in your Users/yourname/Library folder. This is to simplify things for 1 app uses.
Of course if your running more than one F@H, this will conflict as well as the programs themselves. So each F@H needs it's own folder and it's own machine id number.
Now the easy part : )
You create as many FAH folders as as many programs your going to run or have on standby.
I currently run 4 F@H, two are staggered so that if I am going to be offline I can set the two ones that will continue to work thus maximizing output.
For this demonstration we will use 2 FAH folders.
Create 2 FAH folders in your Users > "yourname"
Name each FAH1 and FAH2
Download the fah4 console version twice and place each one in a FAH folder
Launch terminal from your Utilities folder (don't double click on the fah4 icon)
New SHELL
type this and every * means a SPACE
cd*/Users/yourusername/FAH1;*./fah4*-local
(hit return, naturally)
You will next need to configure, with your nick and team number
Configure the other options if need be, like asking before connecting etc. (read below first)
Say YES to advanced options and at the end set the MACHINE ID to "1"
(it should be "1" by default)
Now it will download a protein and create the files it needs in your FAH1 folder instead of elsewhere.
When it's finished and you see it's working... (completed x of x)
now repeat for FAH2
New SHELL
cd /Users/yourusername/FAH2; ./fah4 -local
configure the MACHINE ID to "2"
And continue for each FAH you wish to run.
To stop a process hit Control "c", to restart just enter cd /Users/yourusername... etc. again. Don't forget the -local flag, if you do it will create a Folding@home folder in youruser Library and start downloading a new core.
cd - means to change directory
Users - is the name of a folder
yourusername - name of a folder of your home
./ - means to execute program (fah4)
- local means to keep/use files in the local folder (which is FAH1, FAH2.)
Some notes:
If you configure it with the option of "asking before connecting" it will not connect automatically, you have to type "c" when it asks. It can be sort of a drag, but if your suffering with a ISP who times you out constantly, then you need a new ISP : )
By default it checks to see if it can get online, first a few times right away, then a bit longer between tries, then finally I think its every hour or 6 hours or something.
Also a lot of these proteins have deadlines, you can check it out at the Stanford page. The Dual G5 can really crank these babies out, so as long as your uploading the finished work within 6 days you should be safe.
My Dual G5 can handle about 4 work units a day, depending on the size.
Then my eMac 800 Mhz does a little over 1 per day, of course depending on the size. Some are tiny and just get zipped out, I had one giant on my eMac and it was taking days, so I transfered it to my G5 which promptly finished it right off.
I have been folding for Team Mac OS X for about 1 month and have contributed almost 3100 points. Of course all of this time I wasn't running the 2 versions via terminal, just the single GUI.
Those SilentPC Review guys are only ahead by 8-10,000 points, so if we get another 10 G5's (or equivalent in other machines) online running hard we should be stomping on their grave very shortly.
That's about the limit of my knowledge, I'm still schooling in terminal.
But this has been a great opportunity to learn.
Come join us in the forums if you have any more questions, there are people there considerably more experienced than I.
: )
Hey Sailfish , what's Folding down Florida Way ?
Originally posted by Plutronics
That sounds Real Easy !
Hey Sailfish , what's Folding down Florida Way ?
Hi Plut, you really want me to tell you how nice the weather is?
77º and perrrrrfect! It has been cold here the last couple of days 60 something degree's. (Sailfish shivvers)
I think I'll go outside and go fishing : )
Plut,
aalcimedes is putting his Dual G5 to work and is going go multiple console, plus his other two machines.
So we should be seeing a boost here shortly
thanks alcimedes
and all others here at AppleInsider, a hearty thank you.
Keep Folding!
PS.
We still need more folks to join and help us finally defeat Silent PC Review which have been taunting all of us Mac users, so if you haven't been following the thread please do so and sign up.
http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
thanks and any questions please ask, we will be monitoring this thread
Sailfish
Originally posted by futuremac
MrMacMan
does your team have a bbs registration system that works?
after 4 attemps to register with this board with no response i dont know what else to do:
http://noahj.homeunix.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi
Indeed we have a working board... and a working site.
I don't know why they are hosting out of someone basement.
For me, I know that my site is going to be up and isn't gonna fade into the background, if the site goes down because of hits... where are you gonna turn for your folding infomation and team info?
Noah I can understand that you have no money, but geez I just visited the site... I felt like I was back with AOL 56k...
--MrMacMan [Folding Team #3446]
MacRumors Team Folding #1 Mac Team.