It is a Leap year and the Academy Awards are on Sunday (leap day). I predicted a possiblility that he would run a big add during this event. It is the second largest tv audience all year, and it is also the only other time of year that people intentionally watch commercials. The AA's are also watched by more diverse audience than the SB. And not alot of people getting drunk. This is the perfect high profile point to run an add.
It seems like they're pushing their 512 meg strips more than anything. (look how they're doing the configuration for the 2 and 4 gigs, it's all 512 rather than gig strips). I dont know, to mee it looks like they're trying to clear out their 512 inventory. That promo doesn't mean much because if it's just to clear inventory on ram they can still run it on new machines if they were to be released. I dont know, it's just speculation.
Apple just posted a promo that ends of the 27th of March. It encompasses iMac, PowerMacs, and XServes. Maybe we have to wait another month. Darn.
Notice how only DDR333 and DDR400 qualify? Supposedly the rev B power macs will be DDR533... so they wouldn't qualify for this promotion.
Just FYI... ram from apple even with this promotion is still really expensive... 2x512 is 400 dollars for DDR400... you can get some of the best possible ram from Newegg.com
New iMacs right after March 27? 2 iMac promo-offers are ending March 27 on the http://www.apple.com/promo/ page...
I probably need reading-glasses... The iMac is included in two of the offers (both March 27th), the Power Mac i three (March 27th and Feb 28th).
And I don't see why Apple should continue using 130 nm G5, especially not clocked at 2,2 GHz - think of the heat 90 nm PPC970fx are cheaper and produce less heat. Stability is important.
and with regards to expensive apple ram, i'd rather pay more now than have some third party ram crap out on me during a huge project.
Where do you think apple gets their ram? A lot of their ram comes from Crucial and Hitachi (spelling). Crucial is known to be some of the best ram in the PC world. This Ram has a CAS of 2-2-2... I have been developing for 10 years. I have NEVER had any ram go out on me. Ram doesn't die for no reason unless you buy that really really cheap stuff from the yahoo stores that has a 30 day warranty... everything from Crucial has a lifetime warranty.
Just face it... Apple over charges for ram and everything else for that matter. Take their Superdrive for instance... you can buy a pioneer 107 for $165... thats 8x -r & 8x +r... I don't even think they have 106's in their g5's... You can remove the Superdrive for 200 dollars and get a Combo Drive instead. You then buy a 107... for 40 less.... then you get a free Combo Drive and a faster Dvd burner... This coming from the first computer manufacture to release a dvd burner in their machines.
The only people that get ok prices are developers. There are huge differences between what developers get and what apple sells to the average consumer. They are still making money off of the developers.
I probably need reading-glasses... The iMac is included in two of the offers (both March 27th), the Power Mac i three (March 27th and Feb 28th).
And I don't see why Apple should continue using 130 nm G5, especially not clocked at 2,2 GHz - think of the heat 90 nm PPC970fx are cheaper and produce less heat. Stability is important.
The time frame of late march could be correct, and I completely agree that the 130nm G5 processors are done, and forgotten in all Mac's after they are revised.
WWDC starts June 28th though which is exactly 3 months after the March 28th prediction. My prediction is Apple will update the PowerBook, eMac, iMac, and possibly iBooks between March 28th, and June 28th to quiet some of the user-base until the big WWDC show.
I wouldn't put it past Apple not to update PowerMacs until then, (June 28th) and at speeds greater than 3GHz maybe closer to 3.2, or 3.4 in the highend models just to make a big splash. Could possibly use a 3GHz version as the base configuration which would be stellar.
No, Apple should not do that. I think there needs to be an interim release before the 3 GHz barrier is broken. Everything is stale right now.
I never said it was what they should do. What I meant was I wouldn't put it past Apple to do it that way.
Nevertheless. How many new PowerMac updates do you foresee in the next 4 months then 2? If we get an interim update in late March it will postpone any update way past WWDC because they wont update the PowerMac every 2 months. You also have to take into consideration that Steve Jobs knows we all (Mac users, PC users, and the Press) are going to be waiting to see how that WWDC 3GHz Pre-announcement from 2003 is going to turn out. It would be a huge sh*t storm of bad publicity not only for Apple, but IBM as well if there was no 3GHz, or better by WWDC.
Actually now that I think about it. If Apple, and IBM did do it the way I said we would probably have a better chance at faster PowerMacs sooner.
Apple could possibly have faster processors in hand that they may not have originally intended to use in more quantity originally because there would not have been enough of them if they confined them self's to doing two revs of the PowerMac. It also gives Apple, and IBM time to prepare. Apple would likely be able to prepare for orders, and any other modifications to the boards, and/or devices that we have no idea about such as new video cards (hopefully), and maybe a move PCI-Express (but I doubt the latter).
I think Apple knows how annoying it is to us when they announce something, and the actual release/shipping date is another 2 months down the road. Two weeks is more acceptable, and if they delay just the PowerMac, and updated some of the other lagging lines for the reasons I mentioned we would be better off in the end. I think.
No, Apple should not do that. I think there needs to be an interim release before the 3 GHz barrier is broken. Everything is stale right now.
Has the sale of Power Macs stalled? Is it not only us, a couple of hundred or thousand Mac-lovers lurking at rumor-pages that are waiting for the revs?
I agree that Apple need to show that they're in the game. Those 2GHzes are so last fall...
it's bad business not to keep current. they gotta do SOMETHING, even if it's just addressing the current issues (video card, powersupply and fan noise probs). they'll update the line as soon as they can...keep in mind too that RELEASING and ANNOUNCING are two very different things. Jobs, probably without a doubt due to what his promise was, will ANNOUNCE for sure the 3ghz. THe stipulation with that announcming might be "we've hit 3 ghz...and the machines will be available by the beginning of winter..." or something like that. they'd lose too much busniess, and they know that, if they stopped being incrementally current.
I think Apple needs to be doing regular speed bumps from here on out. None of this waiting for the Developer Conference to make a big spash...or waiting for that. ENOUGH WAITING.
Regular incremental speed bumps shows stability and predictability. This way when your ready to buy there will be something there for you to buy that is up to date. The next speed bump while faster won't be a night and day jump in performance and nothing someone plunking down a couple G's would loss sleep about.
We should have our revs'2 and revs'3 should be three or four months out and revs'4 should be six or seven months out, etc.
it's bad business not to keep current. they gotta do SOMETHING, even if it's just addressing the current issues (video card, powersupply and fan noise probs). they'll update the line as soon as they can...keep in mind too that RELEASING and ANNOUNCING are two very different things. Jobs, probably without a doubt due to what his promise was, will ANNOUNCE for sure the 3ghz. THe stipulation with that announcming might be "we've hit 3 ghz...and the machines will be available by the beginning of winter..." or something like that. they'd lose too much busniess, and they know that, if they stopped being incrementally current.
I agree mostly. However, I don't believe they will release 3ghz at WWDC... unless they postpone shipping until fall.
There are a lot of problems with the current line. They can not (from a business standpoint) last until the minimum of July (WWDC). Not only are they having hte problems listed above.. they are also having motherboard problems. Aren't they on Rev E powersupply's now?
The XServes are more powerful then the PowerMacs right now... how can that be good for any company? A server being faster then the Professional line?
Any ways... I'm really starting to doubt myself at this point. Today I spent 2 hours browsing for a used PowerMac g4 so I could get back on OS X. Seems like it will never happen now. It really sucks because I have a 20% off discount off of apple hardware waiting for me too.
I think Apple needs to be doing regular speed bumps from here on out. None of this waiting for the Developer Conference to make a big spash...or waiting for that. ENOUGH WAITING.
Regular incremental speed bumps shows stability and predictability. This way when your ready to buy there will be something there for you to buy that is up to date. The next speed bump while faster won't be a night and day jump in performance and nothing someone plunking down a couple G's would loss sleep about.
We should have our revs'2 and revs'3 should be three or four months out and revs'4 should be six or seven months out, etc.
Excellent point tink. I get sick every time a new Rev comes out after I bought my computer. If they did incremental updates... no one would really be getting screwed over. The argument to this would point at apple in the mid 90's... They had 10 different types of processors... 10 different machines at a time... but hardly any of them sold... They lost lots and lots of money at that time.
But why can't they update more then just the proc every so often. Like graphics cards every few months?
I agree mostly. However, I don't believe they will release 3ghz at WWDC... unless they postpone shipping until fall.
There are a lot of problems with the current line. They can not (from a business standpoint) last until the minimum of July (WWDC). Not only are they having hte problems listed above.. they are also having motherboard problems. Aren't they on Rev E powersupply's now?
The XServes are more powerful then the PowerMacs right now... how can that be good for any company? A server being faster then the Professional line?
Any ways... I'm really starting to doubt myself at this point. Today I spent 2 hours browsing for a used PowerMac g4 so I could get back on OS X. Seems like it will never happen now. It really sucks because I have a 20% off discount off of apple hardware waiting for me too.
What exactly are you talking about? Where did you get this information?
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I wasn't quite sure which thread to add this too.
This is the winning one. I am not even sure what to
make of the article.
Originally posted by Mr Beardsley
Apple just posted a promo that ends of the 27th of March. It encompasses iMac, PowerMacs, and XServes. Maybe we have to wait another month. Darn.
Notice how only DDR333 and DDR400 qualify? Supposedly the rev B power macs will be DDR533... so they wouldn't qualify for this promotion.
Just FYI... ram from apple even with this promotion is still really expensive... 2x512 is 400 dollars for DDR400... you can get some of the best possible ram from Newegg.com
Corsair 512x2 for A LOT cheaper.
Originally posted by oldmacfan
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14347
I wasn't quite sure which thread to add this too.
This is the winning one. I am not even sure what to
make of the article.
it's not really relevant, but ok.
and with regards to expensive apple ram, i'd rather pay more now than have some third party ram crap out on me during a huge project.
Originally posted by ipodandimac
it's not really relevant, but ok.
I was drawing relevency to the pic and really didn't want to start a new thread on it.
Originally posted by sls
New iMacs right after March 27? 2 iMac promo-offers are ending March 27 on the http://www.apple.com/promo/ page...
I probably need reading-glasses...
And I don't see why Apple should continue using 130 nm G5, especially not clocked at 2,2 GHz - think of the heat
Originally posted by ipodandimac
it's not really relevant, but ok.
and with regards to expensive apple ram, i'd rather pay more now than have some third party ram crap out on me during a huge project.
Where do you think apple gets their ram? A lot of their ram comes from Crucial and Hitachi (spelling). Crucial is known to be some of the best ram in the PC world. This Ram has a CAS of 2-2-2... I have been developing for 10 years. I have NEVER had any ram go out on me. Ram doesn't die for no reason unless you buy that really really cheap stuff from the yahoo stores that has a 30 day warranty... everything from Crucial has a lifetime warranty.
Just face it... Apple over charges for ram and everything else for that matter. Take their Superdrive for instance... you can buy a pioneer 107 for $165... thats 8x -r & 8x +r... I don't even think they have 106's in their g5's... You can remove the Superdrive for 200 dollars and get a Combo Drive instead. You then buy a 107... for 40 less.... then you get a free Combo Drive and a faster Dvd burner... This coming from the first computer manufacture to release a dvd burner in their machines.
The only people that get ok prices are developers. There are huge differences between what developers get and what apple sells to the average consumer. They are still making money off of the developers.
Originally posted by sls
I probably need reading-glasses...
And I don't see why Apple should continue using 130 nm G5, especially not clocked at 2,2 GHz - think of the heat
The time frame of late march could be correct, and I completely agree that the 130nm G5 processors are done, and forgotten in all Mac's after they are revised.
WWDC starts June 28th though which is exactly 3 months after the March 28th prediction. My prediction is Apple will update the PowerBook, eMac, iMac, and possibly iBooks between March 28th, and June 28th to quiet some of the user-base until the big WWDC show.
I wouldn't put it past Apple not to update PowerMacs until then, (June 28th) and at speeds greater than 3GHz maybe closer to 3.2, or 3.4 in the highend models just to make a big splash. Could possibly use a 3GHz version as the base configuration which would be stellar.
Originally posted by Messiahtosh
No, Apple should not do that. I think there needs to be an interim release before the 3 GHz barrier is broken. Everything is stale right now.
I never said it was what they should do. What I meant was I wouldn't put it past Apple to do it that way.
Nevertheless. How many new PowerMac updates do you foresee in the next 4 months then 2? If we get an interim update in late March it will postpone any update way past WWDC because they wont update the PowerMac every 2 months. You also have to take into consideration that Steve Jobs knows we all (Mac users, PC users, and the Press) are going to be waiting to see how that WWDC 3GHz Pre-announcement from 2003 is going to turn out. It would be a huge sh*t storm of bad publicity not only for Apple, but IBM as well if there was no 3GHz, or better by WWDC.
Actually now that I think about it. If Apple, and IBM did do it the way I said we would probably have a better chance at faster PowerMacs sooner.
Apple could possibly have faster processors in hand that they may not have originally intended to use in more quantity originally because there would not have been enough of them if they confined them self's to doing two revs of the PowerMac. It also gives Apple, and IBM time to prepare. Apple would likely be able to prepare for orders, and any other modifications to the boards, and/or devices that we have no idea about such as new video cards (hopefully), and maybe a move PCI-Express (but I doubt the latter).
I think Apple knows how annoying it is to us when they announce something, and the actual release/shipping date is another 2 months down the road. Two weeks is more acceptable, and if they delay just the PowerMac, and updated some of the other lagging lines for the reasons I mentioned we would be better off in the end. I think.
It also gives you more time to save up for it.
Originally posted by Messiahtosh
No, Apple should not do that. I think there needs to be an interim release before the 3 GHz barrier is broken. Everything is stale right now.
Has the sale of Power Macs stalled? Is it not only us, a couple of hundred or thousand Mac-lovers lurking at rumor-pages that are waiting for the revs?
I agree that Apple need to show that they're in the game. Those 2GHzes are so last fall...
Regular incremental speed bumps shows stability and predictability. This way when your ready to buy there will be something there for you to buy that is up to date. The next speed bump while faster won't be a night and day jump in performance and nothing someone plunking down a couple G's would loss sleep about.
We should have our revs'2 and revs'3 should be three or four months out and revs'4 should be six or seven months out, etc.
Originally posted by JohnnyTwoToes
it's bad business not to keep current. they gotta do SOMETHING, even if it's just addressing the current issues (video card, powersupply and fan noise probs). they'll update the line as soon as they can...keep in mind too that RELEASING and ANNOUNCING are two very different things. Jobs, probably without a doubt due to what his promise was, will ANNOUNCE for sure the 3ghz. THe stipulation with that announcming might be "we've hit 3 ghz...and the machines will be available by the beginning of winter..." or something like that. they'd lose too much busniess, and they know that, if they stopped being incrementally current.
I agree mostly. However, I don't believe they will release 3ghz at WWDC... unless they postpone shipping until fall.
There are a lot of problems with the current line. They can not (from a business standpoint) last until the minimum of July (WWDC). Not only are they having hte problems listed above.. they are also having motherboard problems. Aren't they on Rev E powersupply's now?
The XServes are more powerful then the PowerMacs right now... how can that be good for any company? A server being faster then the Professional line?
Any ways... I'm really starting to doubt myself at this point. Today I spent 2 hours browsing for a used PowerMac g4 so I could get back on OS X. Seems like it will never happen now. It really sucks because I have a 20% off discount off of apple hardware waiting for me too.
Originally posted by tink
I think Apple needs to be doing regular speed bumps from here on out. None of this waiting for the Developer Conference to make a big spash...or waiting for that. ENOUGH WAITING.
Regular incremental speed bumps shows stability and predictability. This way when your ready to buy there will be something there for you to buy that is up to date. The next speed bump while faster won't be a night and day jump in performance and nothing someone plunking down a couple G's would loss sleep about.
We should have our revs'2 and revs'3 should be three or four months out and revs'4 should be six or seven months out, etc.
Excellent point tink. I get sick every time a new Rev comes out after I bought my computer. If they did incremental updates... no one would really be getting screwed over. The argument to this would point at apple in the mid 90's... They had 10 different types of processors... 10 different machines at a time... but hardly any of them sold... They lost lots and lots of money at that time.
But why can't they update more then just the proc every so often. Like graphics cards every few months?
Originally posted by emig647
I agree mostly. However, I don't believe they will release 3ghz at WWDC... unless they postpone shipping until fall.
There are a lot of problems with the current line. They can not (from a business standpoint) last until the minimum of July (WWDC). Not only are they having hte problems listed above.. they are also having motherboard problems. Aren't they on Rev E powersupply's now?
The XServes are more powerful then the PowerMacs right now... how can that be good for any company? A server being faster then the Professional line?
Any ways... I'm really starting to doubt myself at this point. Today I spent 2 hours browsing for a used PowerMac g4 so I could get back on OS X. Seems like it will never happen now. It really sucks because I have a 20% off discount off of apple hardware waiting for me too.
What exactly are you talking about? Where did you get this information?