FWIW, I've mentioned here that I'm beta testing a third party app to run on Tiger, and the developer didn't bother to send me the previously released build of Tiger because it was so problemmatic. Well, this new build is apparently a quantum leap in terms of its quality, and I will be receiving it. So while this good news isn't indicative of an imminent release date, it's not as incongruous to put the April release rumor out there with this current build as it was when the really buggy one was the latest and greatest. BTW, developers are in the dark about a release date as much as Joe Fanboi.
I'm buying Tiger and loading it as soon as it comes out. Honestly, there is no perfect time to publish software.
I'm betting its cooler, faster, more powerful and easier to use than any OS X version we have had to date. And I am looking forward to the few surprises that always seem to be included.
I paid for the first version of OS X. Thinking back on it, that was a pretty sad deal. But at the time I had fun playing with it and realizing the possibilities. So I don't think I have too much to worry about with Tiger. It will still kick XP's a$$. And I put up with that every day at work.
congratulations. any reason why? i personally am gonna buy it right away then wait a few weeks. if nothing major surfaces right away then there's no reason to wait. if anything it just gets you less time of ownership for your money. (assuming you'll buy 10.5)
10.x.0 releases always have been problematic for users (putting it lightly). Also I'm waiting for the next PowerMac revision, which should ship with Tiger. If nothing shows for April then I'll also buy it and wait.
"less time of ownership"?? Apple has stated that after Tiger the OS cycle will be slower/longer. I don't expect another 10.x.0 release for at least 18 months after Tiger. Apple is way ahead of Longhorn already.
edit: and by looking at the screenshot, mail isn't even being consistent with the rest of the changes made in Tiger (going by all the other screenshot I've seen).
The buttons have (for some unknown reason) a different look, but the top looks like the top in the rest of Tiger.
Others are hinting otherwise with their supposed "knowledge" from the inside, that they don't have. I might add. I know people in Apple's engineering management, and even they don't know the actual delivery date. At least that's from when I last spoke to them about a week ago.
I had not heard about burnable folders till reading that article and I sure hope its still included... sounds really amazing. Well as amazing as burnable folders can be.
can someone explain to me the advantage of burnable folders over what we currently have? The time saved copying files to disk image? Why doesn't apple just make every folder burnable?
There is nothing wrong with being cautious, but believe me, you won't lose your data with Tiger. The current builds are as stable as Panther. Some apps will have to get minor updates, but remember that devs have been working on updating their apps for Tiger since last year.
Personally, I will get Tiger as soon as the ship date comes down to 2-3 days.
can someone explain to me the advantage of burnable folders over what we currently have? The time saved copying files to disk image?
Time and space. Currently a copy of everything is made in a hidden place, as you drag it to the optical media. So if you burn 4.7GB onto a DVD, you need 4.7GB *FREE* to do so. Not good if you're burning to make room, you know?
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Why doesn't apple just make every folder burnable?
Because this way the folder can keep track of what you toss into it, and once you get to a preset limit (CD, DVD, etc), it can warn you or disallow it. Or, it could offer to break up the files into the correct sized chunks if you want. There's no reason to have *every* folder keep track of everything in it like that all the time, so it's a special case.
There is nothing wrong with being cautious, but believe me, you won't lose your data with Tiger. The current builds are as stable as Panther. Some apps will have to get minor updates, but remember that devs have been working on updating their apps for Tiger since last year.
Personally, I will get Tiger as soon as the ship date comes down to 2-3 days.
We should believe you, should we?
I hope you were one of the lucky ones who didn't lose data on a Firewire drive. I did. And I followed all of the instructions. Three drives. Poof!
Fortunately, I back up everything. Losing over 300GBytes of stuff wasn't as bad as it could have been. But I had to replace two of my drives. Totally shot. Another 120 Gig drive is now recognized as a 32Gig drive. No matter what I do.
And I'm conservative, as you would see if you read my other posts on this. Computers have also been a major part of my business, and I'm considered to be an expert in these matters. But still...
I know people in Apple's engineering management, and even they don't know the actual delivery date. At least that's from when I last spoke to them about a week ago.
As always, I wait to do a major OS upgrade until a combination of:
* apps I rely on being compatible/stable with the new OS (based on developer and/or user feedback)
and:
* apps I want to use requiring the new OS
Some upgrade-anxious posters sound like they have some kind of immunity to any Tiger post-upgrade compatibility issues, are unconcerned about disruptions the upgrade may cause, only need to use Apple apps known to run on Tiger, or ... "just because".
While possible, mel is correct in that most companies (and Apple *especially*) separate out the engineering and marketing concerns pretty thoroughly. This means that the engineers are given a series of deadlines for requirements to be met. Since development isn't an exact science, some requirements are pushed off, others that were thought to be 'maybes' suddenly become doable. This continues until marketing looks over the to-be-really-complete-set and says "yeah, this looks good, let's complete X, Y, and Z and look at shipping it." Meanwhile, the engineering groups are working on X, Y, Z, A, B, C, and the rest of the alphabet. They will just keep working, because 10.4 is followed by 10.4.1, then 10.4.2, etc. It doesn't really stop.
So yeah, they *could* be lying, but I really doubt it. Such strategic product release decisions are done at a very high level, in a small group, and information flows out only when absolutely necessary. The engineers may hear through the company grapevine that 'it's close', or they may have their own ideas of what constitutes 'done', but frequently these are just blind guesses, and have nothing to do with what the upper echelons decide.
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
FWIW, I've mentioned here that I'm beta testing a third party app to run on Tiger, and the developer didn't bother to send me the previously released build of Tiger because it was so problemmatic. Well, this new build is apparently a quantum leap in terms of its quality, and I will be receiving it. So while this good news isn't indicative of an imminent release date, it's not as incongruous to put the April release rumor out there with this current build as it was when the really buggy one was the latest and greatest. BTW, developers are in the dark about a release date as much as Joe Fanboi.
Absolutely correct!
As are the beta testers.
I'm betting its cooler, faster, more powerful and easier to use than any OS X version we have had to date. And I am looking forward to the few surprises that always seem to be included.
I paid for the first version of OS X. Thinking back on it, that was a pretty sad deal. But at the time I had fun playing with it and realizing the possibilities. So I don't think I have too much to worry about with Tiger. It will still kick XP's a$$. And I put up with that every day at work.
Originally posted by ipodandimac
congratulations. any reason why? i personally am gonna buy it right away then wait a few weeks. if nothing major surfaces right away then there's no reason to wait. if anything it just gets you less time of ownership for your money. (assuming you'll buy 10.5)
10.x.0 releases always have been problematic for users (putting it lightly). Also I'm waiting for the next PowerMac revision, which should ship with Tiger. If nothing shows for April then I'll also buy it and wait.
"less time of ownership"?? Apple has stated that after Tiger the OS cycle will be slower/longer. I don't expect another 10.x.0 release for at least 18 months after Tiger. Apple is way ahead of Longhorn already.
Screed
Originally posted by schmidm77
And the toolbar items in that screenshot aren't even left aligned. What the heck is going on with the interface guidelines?
The buttons are aligned over the content section because the buttons have effect of what you have chosen below - not the mail boxes.
http://lunddal.dk/misc/mail1.jpg
http://lunddal.dk/misc/mail2.jpg
Originally posted by schmidm77
edit: and by looking at the screenshot, mail isn't even being consistent with the rest of the changes made in Tiger (going by all the other screenshot I've seen).
The buttons have (for some unknown reason) a different look, but the top looks like the top in the rest of Tiger.
Originally posted by melgross
Absolutely correct!
As are the beta testers.
Originally posted by MPMoriarty
I wonder if Tiger still has "Burnable Folders"
Eh?
Originally posted by JLL
Eh?
Hehe, you and me both. Just googled it and it's this:
AppleInsider: Burnable folders, revised Smart Folders appear in Tiger
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Nope. That's why I agreed.
Others are hinting otherwise with their supposed "knowledge" from the inside, that they don't have. I might add. I know people in Apple's engineering management, and even they don't know the actual delivery date. At least that's from when I last spoke to them about a week ago.
6.1, 7.1, 7.6 (like a .1 of 7.5), 8.1, 9.1, etc. I've avoided a lot of headaches with a little patience.
I think I may have used System 7 prematurely when I got a IIfx, but I didn't have to wait too long for a revision.
But feel free to debug the OS for me so I don't lose my data, nerves, and hair. Thanks!
Personally, I will get Tiger as soon as the ship date comes down to 2-3 days.
Originally posted by Imergingenious
can someone explain to me the advantage of burnable folders over what we currently have? The time saved copying files to disk image?
Time and space. Currently a copy of everything is made in a hidden place, as you drag it to the optical media. So if you burn 4.7GB onto a DVD, you need 4.7GB *FREE* to do so. Not good if you're burning to make room, you know?
Why doesn't apple just make every folder burnable?
Because this way the folder can keep track of what you toss into it, and once you get to a preset limit (CD, DVD, etc), it can warn you or disallow it. Or, it could offer to break up the files into the correct sized chunks if you want. There's no reason to have *every* folder keep track of everything in it like that all the time, so it's a special case.
Originally posted by Imergingenious
There is nothing wrong with being cautious, but believe me, you won't lose your data with Tiger. The current builds are as stable as Panther. Some apps will have to get minor updates, but remember that devs have been working on updating their apps for Tiger since last year.
Personally, I will get Tiger as soon as the ship date comes down to 2-3 days.
We should believe you, should we?
I hope you were one of the lucky ones who didn't lose data on a Firewire drive. I did. And I followed all of the instructions. Three drives. Poof!
Fortunately, I back up everything. Losing over 300GBytes of stuff wasn't as bad as it could have been. But I had to replace two of my drives. Totally shot. Another 120 Gig drive is now recognized as a 32Gig drive. No matter what I do.
And I'm conservative, as you would see if you read my other posts on this. Computers have also been a major part of my business, and I'm considered to be an expert in these matters. But still...
Originally posted by melgross
I know people in Apple's engineering management, and even they don't know the actual delivery date. At least that's from when I last spoke to them about a week ago.
Perhaps they umm.. lied.
* apps I rely on being compatible/stable with the new OS (based on developer and/or user feedback)
and:
* apps I want to use requiring the new OS
Some upgrade-anxious posters sound like they have some kind of immunity to any Tiger post-upgrade compatibility issues, are unconcerned about disruptions the upgrade may cause, only need to use Apple apps known to run on Tiger, or ... "just because".
Originally posted by Sopphode
Perhaps they umm.. lied.
While possible, mel is correct in that most companies (and Apple *especially*) separate out the engineering and marketing concerns pretty thoroughly. This means that the engineers are given a series of deadlines for requirements to be met. Since development isn't an exact science, some requirements are pushed off, others that were thought to be 'maybes' suddenly become doable. This continues until marketing looks over the to-be-really-complete-set and says "yeah, this looks good, let's complete X, Y, and Z and look at shipping it." Meanwhile, the engineering groups are working on X, Y, Z, A, B, C, and the rest of the alphabet. They will just keep working, because 10.4 is followed by 10.4.1, then 10.4.2, etc. It doesn't really stop.
So yeah, they *could* be lying, but I really doubt it. Such strategic product release decisions are done at a very high level, in a small group, and information flows out only when absolutely necessary. The engineers may hear through the company grapevine that 'it's close', or they may have their own ideas of what constitutes 'done', but frequently these are just blind guesses, and have nothing to do with what the upper echelons decide.