I don't know ... after over a year of point updates for Panther, i can't really notice much of a difference between 10.3.0 and 10.3.8. Sure they may have fixed a few *issues along the way, but I don't think releasing Tiger now or in June, is really going to affect the OS that much.
Don't get me wrong. I LIKE getting a new OS and a new machine.
I'm just saying that there have been questions about these quality issues in the pc industry for some time now, and the reasons that I gave are the accepted reasons as to why these problems exist.
If the industry was slower and we had fewer problems as a result, no one would be the wiser, and so would not complain about it. As that is not the case, I can understand people not wanting to go that way.
Most people would take the problems and get the newer stuff faster.
The other way might be better in the long run though.
I don't see why. Anyway, this quote is what makes things interesting:
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Some professional users were waiting for years for such a device. It will not be necessary anymore to invest into a Radeon graphic card to enjoy rotating your display the way you want it.
Well a VESA mount with a USB plug would allow you to rotate the screen physically and have it tell the Display Prefs to rotate the image automagically.
Since all the displays now have VESA brackets, this would let you buy a stand that would convert any of the displays to rotatable.
Well a VESA mount with a USB plug would allow you to rotate the screen physically and have it tell the Display Prefs to rotate the image automagically.
Since all the displays now have VESA brackets, this would let you buy a stand that would convert any of the displays to rotatable.
Just a thought.
Yes, that was my thought as well, but what about the prefs panel? I don't remember anyone anywhere mentioning this option before.
If this isn't new, then where has it been?
If it is new, then it shows that they are still adding features, and what could that mean?
It could simply be a test run of the extra bit for the mount, and not something to be included *in Tiger*. I could easily see them selling the mount and shipping a CD with it with the extra tidbit for the Display Prefs under 10.3 or 10.4. ie, it could have nothing to do with Tiger's feature set or ship date.
I don't think it's funny, actually, except as a policy for a consumer OS.
I've worked with VMS for about 10 years now. Conservatively updated and absolutely bulletproof operating systems have their place, and I approve of what FreeBSD is doing, especially as an alternative to Linux's patch-a-thon.
But you have to admit, it's funny to think of OS X 10.0 just going stable now.
Don't you think they're getting a little paranoid? I don't see Microsoft running around and removing articles that talk about a pre-release version of LongHorn.
Microsoft is desperate for all the Longhorn-related buzz it can get.
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I haven't seen such a closed-to-public company in a long time. Next think you'll know, they'll label stuff as "state secret" and persecute anyone that says/writes/thinks the name "Tiger".
No, they're smart enough to let people refer to their trademarks all they want, as long as there's no dilution.
As hard as it may be to believe, Apple has gotten better. Most people remember the mid-90's, when Apple leaked like a sieve, but I'm thinking back to the mid-'80s, when they sued anyone who looked at any of their technologies the wrong way. They were deathly afraid of their own developers back then.
Going back to the release date question. Here it is March 31st. I haven't seen anyone here insisting that it's to be announced tommorrow for a while now, so here's some food for thought from MACNN:
Columnist Mike Wendland talks about upcoming operating system upgrades from both Microsoft and Apple, saying that Microsoft, who has been relatively quiet about the new features of the OS, is expected to deliver the first concrete look at the long-delayed "Longhorn" OSand the end of March and ship the product almost a year after Apple: "But Longhorn will be competing with Apple's new Tiger operating system -- and Tiger is about ready to pounce. Apple won't confirm reports that Tiger is now pretty much complete. But its worldwide developers conference June 1-10 in San Francisco is expected to focus almost entirely on Tiger. And with Chairman Steve Jobs doing the keynote speech, speculation is strong that he will announce its public release at that time. Analysts are predicting a halo effect for Tiger, with the system basking in the stunning popularity of the iPod and the slew of new products Apple has been releasing, like its $499 Mac mini.
Everybody seems to be reporting that Tiger is almost ready for release. Supposedly 8A424 or whatever has removed all the 'prerelease' tags from the OS.
I'm surprised that MacNN doesn't know that WWDC is June 6 - 10.
Everybody seems to be reporting that Tiger is almost ready for release. Supposedly 8A424 or whatever has removed all the 'prerelease' tags from the OS.
I'm surprised that MacNN doesn't know that WWDC is June 6 - 10.
It's been awful quiet on that front. We had some pretty fanatical readers here about that. They seem to have disappeared. We should have been hearing more on this as the time approaches. Instead it has shut down. A halfhearted sentence from Insider the other day was about it. I still don't think it's happening. Remember "almost" means just that. We haven't heard about the Golden Master being produced. That news always comes out when it happens.
MACNN knows when the conference is. It was probably a typo.
It's been awful quiet on that front. We had some pretty fanatical readers here about that. They seem to have disappeared. We should have been hearing more on this as the time approaches. Instead it has shut down.
... (snip) ...
It has been fairly quiet... but not really.
Tiger reaching final candidate status, as recently rumored, is absolutely huge news if true. During this phase of the development process, it is normal to be fairly devoid of rumors. Things aren't chaning rapidly anymore because we're getting close to release. There's nothing new to report because at that point in development, the only thing to report would be going from "almost done" to "done". The only new news on tiger we should expect at this point is perhaps more FC releases and then the GM declaration.
FC releases don't typically have as wide of distribution. We're down to the resolution of the last few major bugs. At this point, they're not looking for general feedback so much as the status on the few remaining problems.
Will it be announced tomorrow? Nobody here really knows. But indications are that we should expect word soon. THe final candidate stage of development at apple has historically been fairly short. (weeks instead of months)
Tiger reaching final candidate status, as recently rumored, is absolutely huge news if true. During this phase of the development process, it is normal to be fairly devoid of rumors. Things aren't chaning rapidly anymore because we're getting close to release. There's nothing new to report because at that point in development, the only thing to report would be going from "almost done" to "done". The only new news on tiger we should expect at this point is perhaps more FC releases and then the GM declaration.
FC releases don't typically have as wide of distribution. We're down to the resolution of the last few major bugs. At this point, they're not looking for general feedback so much as the status on the few remaining problems.
Will it be announced tomorrow? Nobody here really knows. But indications are that we should expect word soon. THe final candidate stage of development at apple has historically been fairly short. (weeks instead of months)
Things might not be changing because the rumors aren't true, and it won't be ready for weeks, rather than being ready tomorrow as is being claimed. If it's not ready, we won't hear anything until a new candidate comes out.
Jobs won't say it's going to ship until it's ready to ship. If he does, and a problem comes up, he'll have a problem. As the golden master hasn't surfaced, we can only assume that it's not going to be ready tomorrow.
This doesn't mean that he can't announce new programs dependent upon 10.4 at NAB. That's been done before. "To ship in June".
It seems much more useful to make the splash at the dev conference. Those people are paying big bucks to be there, and everyone has expected it to be released then anyway. Apple would gain nothing by getting it out now, and could use the extra development time wisely.
Another thing I'd like to say concerns Adobe and CS2.
Many Photoshop users, myself included, have petitioned Adobe to move the memory model to 42 bits or more. As a beta tester for many years, I've found that Adobe is usually responsive to our suggestions. But not this time.
In recent years, Adobe has been hesitant to release a major upgrade to any of their programs that would benefit one group of users over another, e.g. Mac vs. Wintel.
As going to a higher memory model would have only benefited Mac users, Adobe was understandably reluctant to do so.
They don't want to incur the wrath of Apple or MS as taking sides.
But while I'm not allowed to tell you anything specific, I can say to look at the release dates of Tiger, Windows 64, and CS 2, and see if that will shake any interesting ideas from the thinking tree.
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I'm just saying that there have been questions about these quality issues in the pc industry for some time now, and the reasons that I gave are the accepted reasons as to why these problems exist.
If the industry was slower and we had fewer problems as a result, no one would be the wiser, and so would not complain about it. As that is not the case, I can understand people not wanting to go that way.
Most people would take the problems and get the newer stuff faster.
The other way might be better in the long run though.
Originally posted by PB
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember having seen this one elsewhere. Seems quite interesting. Is this feature present in the 8A414 build?
Possibly only in Europe?
Originally posted by melgross
Possibly only in Europe?
I don't see why. Anyway, this quote is what makes things interesting:
Some professional users were waiting for years for such a device. It will not be necessary anymore to invest into a Radeon graphic card to enjoy rotating your display the way you want it.
Anyone knowing what's going on here?
Since all the displays now have VESA brackets, this would let you buy a stand that would convert any of the displays to rotatable.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Well a VESA mount with a USB plug would allow you to rotate the screen physically and have it tell the Display Prefs to rotate the image automagically.
Since all the displays now have VESA brackets, this would let you buy a stand that would convert any of the displays to rotatable.
Just a thought.
Yes, that was my thought as well, but what about the prefs panel? I don't remember anyone anywhere mentioning this option before.
If this isn't new, then where has it been?
If it is new, then it shows that they are still adding features, and what could that mean?
Originally posted by PB
Those guys at Hardmac don't give up. Here is another hint (almost proof) that Tiger will have built-in capabilities to rotate screens.
It might not be that difficult to do.
Originally posted by melgross
That's actually not as funny as you think it is.
I don't think it's funny, actually, except as a policy for a consumer OS.
I've worked with VMS for about 10 years now. Conservatively updated and absolutely bulletproof operating systems have their place, and I approve of what FreeBSD is doing, especially as an alternative to Linux's patch-a-thon.
But you have to admit, it's funny to think of OS X 10.0 just going stable now.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
Don't you think they're getting a little paranoid? I don't see Microsoft running around and removing articles that talk about a pre-release version of LongHorn.
Microsoft is desperate for all the Longhorn-related buzz it can get.
I haven't seen such a closed-to-public company in a long time. Next think you'll know, they'll label stuff as "state secret" and persecute anyone that says/writes/thinks the name "Tiger".
No, they're smart enough to let people refer to their trademarks all they want, as long as there's no dilution.
As hard as it may be to believe, Apple has gotten better. Most people remember the mid-90's, when Apple leaked like a sieve, but I'm thinking back to the mid-'80s, when they sued anyone who looked at any of their technologies the wrong way. They were deathly afraid of their own developers back then.
Columnist Mike Wendland talks about upcoming operating system upgrades from both Microsoft and Apple, saying that Microsoft, who has been relatively quiet about the new features of the OS, is expected to deliver the first concrete look at the long-delayed "Longhorn" OSand the end of March and ship the product almost a year after Apple: "But Longhorn will be competing with Apple's new Tiger operating system -- and Tiger is about ready to pounce. Apple won't confirm reports that Tiger is now pretty much complete. But its worldwide developers conference June 1-10 in San Francisco is expected to focus almost entirely on Tiger. And with Chairman Steve Jobs doing the keynote speech, speculation is strong that he will announce its public release at that time. Analysts are predicting a halo effect for Tiger, with the system basking in the stunning popularity of the iPod and the slew of new products Apple has been releasing, like its $499 Mac mini.
Any new thoughts about release dates?
I'm surprised that MacNN doesn't know that WWDC is June 6 - 10.
Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
Everybody seems to be reporting that Tiger is almost ready for release. Supposedly 8A424 or whatever has removed all the 'prerelease' tags from the OS.
I'm surprised that MacNN doesn't know that WWDC is June 6 - 10.
It's been awful quiet on that front. We had some pretty fanatical readers here about that. They seem to have disappeared. We should have been hearing more on this as the time approaches. Instead it has shut down. A halfhearted sentence from Insider the other day was about it. I still don't think it's happening. Remember "almost" means just that. We haven't heard about the Golden Master being produced. That news always comes out when it happens.
MACNN knows when the conference is. It was probably a typo.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
You can customize all standard toolbars to show large orsmall icons, icons with or without text or text alone.
One thing that's obviously lacking is a global preference for "Use Small Size" in customizable toolbars.
Originally posted by melgross
It's been awful quiet on that front. We had some pretty fanatical readers here about that. They seem to have disappeared. We should have been hearing more on this as the time approaches. Instead it has shut down.
... (snip) ...
It has been fairly quiet... but not really.
Tiger reaching final candidate status, as recently rumored, is absolutely huge news if true. During this phase of the development process, it is normal to be fairly devoid of rumors. Things aren't chaning rapidly anymore because we're getting close to release. There's nothing new to report because at that point in development, the only thing to report would be going from "almost done" to "done". The only new news on tiger we should expect at this point is perhaps more FC releases and then the GM declaration.
FC releases don't typically have as wide of distribution. We're down to the resolution of the last few major bugs. At this point, they're not looking for general feedback so much as the status on the few remaining problems.
Will it be announced tomorrow? Nobody here really knows. But indications are that we should expect word soon. THe final candidate stage of development at apple has historically been fairly short. (weeks instead of months)
Originally posted by dfiler
It has been fairly quiet... but not really.
Tiger reaching final candidate status, as recently rumored, is absolutely huge news if true. During this phase of the development process, it is normal to be fairly devoid of rumors. Things aren't chaning rapidly anymore because we're getting close to release. There's nothing new to report because at that point in development, the only thing to report would be going from "almost done" to "done". The only new news on tiger we should expect at this point is perhaps more FC releases and then the GM declaration.
FC releases don't typically have as wide of distribution. We're down to the resolution of the last few major bugs. At this point, they're not looking for general feedback so much as the status on the few remaining problems.
Will it be announced tomorrow? Nobody here really knows. But indications are that we should expect word soon. THe final candidate stage of development at apple has historically been fairly short. (weeks instead of months)
Things might not be changing because the rumors aren't true, and it won't be ready for weeks, rather than being ready tomorrow as is being claimed. If it's not ready, we won't hear anything until a new candidate comes out.
Jobs won't say it's going to ship until it's ready to ship. If he does, and a problem comes up, he'll have a problem. As the golden master hasn't surfaced, we can only assume that it's not going to be ready tomorrow.
This doesn't mean that he can't announce new programs dependent upon 10.4 at NAB. That's been done before. "To ship in June".
It seems much more useful to make the splash at the dev conference. Those people are paying big bucks to be there, and everyone has expected it to be released then anyway. Apple would gain nothing by getting it out now, and could use the extra development time wisely.
Many Photoshop users, myself included, have petitioned Adobe to move the memory model to 42 bits or more. As a beta tester for many years, I've found that Adobe is usually responsive to our suggestions. But not this time.
In recent years, Adobe has been hesitant to release a major upgrade to any of their programs that would benefit one group of users over another, e.g. Mac vs. Wintel.
As going to a higher memory model would have only benefited Mac users, Adobe was understandably reluctant to do so.
They don't want to incur the wrath of Apple or MS as taking sides.
But while I'm not allowed to tell you anything specific, I can say to look at the release dates of Tiger, Windows 64, and CS 2, and see if that will shake any interesting ideas from the thinking tree.
There will be some joy and disappointment.