OMG why would you CTO your Mac with extra memory. Order a stick from newegg or something and save yourself 50 bucks. its so easy to install.
It would actually cost some people more to do that. To go from 2x256 to 2x512 Apple is charging $100. Outright buying 2 512 sticks is going to cost you about $140 at least. Then you have to go through the hassle of trying ot sell the old 2 256mb sticks to recoup the price. I can see your point if your looking at the 2gb upgrade as 2 1gb sticks would be around $300, and you could save $200 even if you threw away the 2 256mb sticks.
And no, you dont want to buy 1 1gb stick and put it in there, youll kill your video performance. They only sell them with dual channel configured memory with matching pairs for this reason. The Intel 950 runs MUCH better when its running with dual channel memory.
Melgross, not trying to start a fight here, but seriously, it seems like you will say anything other than admitting that you were wrong?
I was one of the ones who predicted $1099 and was shot down by you and many others. I never said anything about processor speed. I simply said they will all be dual-core and include iSight, mag-safe connectors, latch, a remote control and the base model will cost $1099.
Of course they could have delivered a model at $999 by including a slower single-core processor and dropping some of the specs, but all signs (and rumors) were indicating that Apple was adding functionality and features, even to it's entry level machines..
AAPL typically always drops on announcement day and then rebounds to a higher price within a week. Today's drop is nothing un-usual.. The market is also reacting to the new Creative lawsuit.
$1099 is not too high, I'd be willing to bet that within a few months time, this will become Apple's best selling computer. However, I do agree that paying $150 extra for the color black is bit of a stretch to say the least.
Anyways, instead of just arguing for arguments sake, it's time to just admit that you were wrong and move on. No big deal..
I'll admit I was wrong. I thought there would be a $999 model with a core solo or 1.6ghz core duo like ecking predicted. While the 1099 price point is higher than what I wish they would begin the Macbooks at, they have overdelivered on the specs. I don't recall anyone predicting the entry level macbook to carry a 1.8 ghz core duo. For the price I think that is a great value.
As for the black Macbook eating into MBP sales, I actually see it the other way. I think it is to close to the entry level MBP and buyers will opt for the MBP instead of the black Macbook. I think the entry level Macbook will sell like hotcakes. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
It would actually cost some people more to do that. To go from 2x256 to 2x512 Apple is charging $100. Outright buying 2 512 sticks is going to cost you about $140 at least. Then you have to go through the hassle of trying ot sell the old 2 256mb sticks to recoup the price. I can see your point if your looking at the 2gb upgrade as 2 1gb sticks would be around $300, and you could save $200 even if you threw away the 2 256mb sticks.
And no, you dont want to buy 1 1gb stick and put it in there, youll kill your video performance. They only sell them with dual channel configured memory with matching pairs for this reason. The Intel 950 runs MUCH better when its running with dual channel memory.
Is the memory the same as the G4 iBook? Could I pull the 2x256 out and put it in my daughter's 14" G4?
1gb of ram for intel macs from gigaram costs $82 at newegg..and many reviews of intel mac owners sucessfully using it...so it's the best sure deal i've seen if you want to bump it...
a little disappointed with the gma950 but it's not that terrible
and i could care less about black laptops...that's so 90s and a total marketing ploy for the novelty factor...sure there are some resons it's useful esp for professionals, but the macbook isn't their professional line..
Front row and the remote are useful when it's hooked to a bigger screen (is there a mini DVI to TV adapter?). Heck, the remote is useful when it's hooked to the stereo, do you need to see the screen to turn volume up and down, or to skip to the next song? And yes, I'd consider widescreen a feature considering how many people are watching videos on their laptops.
Yes, there is a mini DVI to S-Video adapter available ($20). For sound, you can pick up a mini-jack to split stereo pretty much anywhere these days.
Still, these space-wasting features leave me begging for another "professional" ultraportable notebook from Apple. An alternative for people who want something lighter and smaller with a good battery life. In the meantime, there's plenty of fight left in my pb.
I've just got back from checking these out at lunch and the MacBooks are gonna be serious hits.
The black is a very classy looking machine. Has a good solid feel and seems resistant to scratching.
The white is very similar in color/texture to the opaque iBooks.
The keyboards are nice. They're very solid and nice feel to them. Thewhole keyboard is also recessed a bit so key marks on the screen should be a thing of the past for certain.
Magnetic latching is amazing and has a very positive feel to it. You won't be accidentally popping it open. It's very much akin to the Magsafe power connector. It's either definitely open or definitely shut. No vagueness at all.
The glossy screen looks nice. I can see how it could cause some glare but I'm fairly certain I'd be very happy with it.
All in all, very worthy upgrades and should sell extremely well.
That's all I have for now. I couldn't play more because they were just setting up the two demo machines.
ps - the battery on these things looks significantly larger than the old iBook/PowerBook batteries. It may be thinner but I'd guess that's where some of the increased weight stems from in these new machines. They certainly don't *look* like they should weigh more than an iBook judging by looks alone.
The CPUs are a nice upgrade, but integrated video in a $1300-1400 laptop? For shame Apple, for shame!
Throw a little shame Lennovo's way. They are about to introduce widescreen core duo laptops. Only in the top end model can you configure a machine wih a graphics card. Intel itegrated graphics only on the lower models. While pricing has not released in the article it did mention that in the celeron m configuration price would 'dip' below $1000. It wouldn't be difficult to see $1400 thinkpads with core duos and integrated graphics.
Still, these space-wasting features leave me begging for another "professional" ultraportable notebook from Apple. An alternative for people who want something lighter and smaller with a good battery life. In the meantime, there's plenty of fight left in my pb.
Space wasting? What, the IR? The widescreen?
This thing is only slightly wider than the old 12". If you want something smaller, you really want a completely new model, not a rehash of the small powerbooks.
Looks like Apple is planning to rake in the cash with the black MacBook for...$200 MORE!!! (ok...so it's got 20 extra gigs of storage space...that's not worth 200 more. )
They must be charging for the rare indigo black dye in the plastic.
After seeing it firsthand, I'd say the black looks really fantastic. That said, I'd go for the white anyhow. I'm not that image conscious and I'd rather put the money saved toward drive/RAM upgrades.
I can definitely see a lot of people buying it though as it *does* look that good in person.
1gb of ram for intel macs from gigaram costs $82 at newegg..and many reviews of intel mac owners sucessfully using it...so it's the best sure deal i've seen if you want to bump it...
a little disappointed with the gma950 but it's not that terrible
and i could care less about black laptops...that's so 90s and a total marketing ploy for the novelty factor...sure there are some resons it's useful esp for professionals, but the macbook isn't their professional line..
thats strange that newegg has many brands that cheap, while crucial and many other direct memory sellers are double that price.
Grabbing 2 1gb sticks under 200 would be very nice and saving a lot of money, just dont grab one stick, make sure you keep matching paris of memory. It will work without matching pairs, but the intel GMA950 will suffer a lot.
I'm not sure who to trust though, as some of the bigger better brands have double the prices, or the same prices for much slower memory. This is very odd overall, and i cant even find that stick of memory Newegg has on Gigarams website.
thats strange that newegg has many brands that cheap, while crucial and many other direct memory sellers are double that price.
Grabbing 2 1gb sticks under 200 would be very nice and saving a lot of money, just dont grab one stick, make sure you keep matching paris of memory. It will work without matching pairs, but the intel GMA950 will suffer a lot.
I'm not sure who to trust though, as some of the bigger better brands have double the prices, or the same prices for much slower memory. This is very odd overall, and i cant even find that stick of memory Newegg has on Gigarams website.
Generally speaking, you get what you pay for in RAM.. To be safe, I'd stick with trusted brands like Crucial. Better to be safe than sorry.
Comments
Originally posted by MacSuperiority
OMG why would you CTO your Mac with extra memory. Order a stick from newegg or something and save yourself 50 bucks. its so easy to install.
It would actually cost some people more to do that. To go from 2x256 to 2x512 Apple is charging $100. Outright buying 2 512 sticks is going to cost you about $140 at least. Then you have to go through the hassle of trying ot sell the old 2 256mb sticks to recoup the price. I can see your point if your looking at the 2gb upgrade as 2 1gb sticks would be around $300, and you could save $200 even if you threw away the 2 256mb sticks.
And no, you dont want to buy 1 1gb stick and put it in there, youll kill your video performance. They only sell them with dual channel configured memory with matching pairs for this reason. The Intel 950 runs MUCH better when its running with dual channel memory.
Originally posted by solsun
Melgross, not trying to start a fight here, but seriously, it seems like you will say anything other than admitting that you were wrong?
I was one of the ones who predicted $1099 and was shot down by you and many others. I never said anything about processor speed. I simply said they will all be dual-core and include iSight, mag-safe connectors, latch, a remote control and the base model will cost $1099.
Of course they could have delivered a model at $999 by including a slower single-core processor and dropping some of the specs, but all signs (and rumors) were indicating that Apple was adding functionality and features, even to it's entry level machines..
AAPL typically always drops on announcement day and then rebounds to a higher price within a week. Today's drop is nothing un-usual.. The market is also reacting to the new Creative lawsuit.
$1099 is not too high, I'd be willing to bet that within a few months time, this will become Apple's best selling computer. However, I do agree that paying $150 extra for the color black is bit of a stretch to say the least.
Anyways, instead of just arguing for arguments sake, it's time to just admit that you were wrong and move on. No big deal..
I'll admit I was wrong. I thought there would be a $999 model with a core solo or 1.6ghz core duo like ecking predicted. While the 1099 price point is higher than what I wish they would begin the Macbooks at, they have overdelivered on the specs. I don't recall anyone predicting the entry level macbook to carry a 1.8 ghz core duo. For the price I think that is a great value.
As for the black Macbook eating into MBP sales, I actually see it the other way. I think it is to close to the entry level MBP and buyers will opt for the MBP instead of the black Macbook. I think the entry level Macbook will sell like hotcakes. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Originally posted by doh123
It would actually cost some people more to do that. To go from 2x256 to 2x512 Apple is charging $100. Outright buying 2 512 sticks is going to cost you about $140 at least. Then you have to go through the hassle of trying ot sell the old 2 256mb sticks to recoup the price. I can see your point if your looking at the 2gb upgrade as 2 1gb sticks would be around $300, and you could save $200 even if you threw away the 2 256mb sticks.
And no, you dont want to buy 1 1gb stick and put it in there, youll kill your video performance. They only sell them with dual channel configured memory with matching pairs for this reason. The Intel 950 runs MUCH better when its running with dual channel memory.
Is the memory the same as the G4 iBook? Could I pull the 2x256 out and put it in my daughter's 14" G4?
Originally posted by e1618978
Is the memory the same as the G4 iBook? Could I pull the 2x256 out and put it in my daughter's 14" G4?
No the memory is different. It's 667mhz ddr2 ram I'm pretty sure. The same as in the imac, macmini and macbook pro.
Originally posted by e1618978
Is the memory the same as the G4 iBook? Could I pull the 2x256 out and put it in my daughter's 14" G4?
I don't think so. its 667mhz pc5300 so-dimm and your G4 takes PC2700 DDR.
Originally posted by e1618978
Is the memory the same as the G4 iBook? Could I pull the 2x256 out and put it in my daughter's 14" G4?
No.
Glossy or Matte displays should be BTO for all laptops.
I'm surprised Apple went with glossy in reality it sucks. You have to angle the screen away from glare and reflection behind you.
Glossy gives the impression of being sharper and more vivid because it reflects more light towards the eye.
No glossy totally sucks for professionals. If you need to see accurate color or contrast reflections and glare would totally corrupt the image.
a little disappointed with the gma950 but it's not that terrible
and i could care less about black laptops...that's so 90s and a total marketing ploy for the novelty factor...sure there are some resons it's useful esp for professionals, but the macbook isn't their professional line..
Originally posted by minderbinder
Front row and the remote are useful when it's hooked to a bigger screen (is there a mini DVI to TV adapter?). Heck, the remote is useful when it's hooked to the stereo, do you need to see the screen to turn volume up and down, or to skip to the next song? And yes, I'd consider widescreen a feature considering how many people are watching videos on their laptops.
Yes, there is a mini DVI to S-Video adapter available ($20). For sound, you can pick up a mini-jack to split stereo pretty much anywhere these days.
Still, these space-wasting features leave me begging for another "professional" ultraportable notebook from Apple. An alternative for people who want something lighter and smaller with a good battery life. In the meantime, there's plenty of fight left in my pb.
The black is a very classy looking machine. Has a good solid feel and seems resistant to scratching.
The white is very similar in color/texture to the opaque iBooks.
The keyboards are nice. They're very solid and nice feel to them. Thewhole keyboard is also recessed a bit so key marks on the screen should be a thing of the past for certain.
Magnetic latching is amazing and has a very positive feel to it. You won't be accidentally popping it open. It's very much akin to the Magsafe power connector. It's either definitely open or definitely shut. No vagueness at all.
The glossy screen looks nice. I can see how it could cause some glare but I'm fairly certain I'd be very happy with it.
All in all, very worthy upgrades and should sell extremely well.
That's all I have for now. I couldn't play more because they were just setting up the two demo machines.
ps - the battery on these things looks significantly larger than the old iBook/PowerBook batteries. It may be thinner but I'd guess that's where some of the increased weight stems from in these new machines. They certainly don't *look* like they should weigh more than an iBook judging by looks alone.
Germany: 1079 EUR / 1279 EUR / 1479 EUR
Austria: 1119 EUR / 1319 EUR / 1519 EUR
Italy: 1119 EUR / 1319 EUR / 1519 EUR
France: 1099 EUR / 1299 EUR / 1499 EUR
Originally posted by iPoster
The CPUs are a nice upgrade, but integrated video in a $1300-1400 laptop? For shame Apple, for shame!
Throw a little shame Lennovo's way. They are about to introduce widescreen core duo laptops. Only in the top end model can you configure a machine wih a graphics card. Intel itegrated graphics only on the lower models. While pricing has not released in the article it did mention that in the celeron m configuration price would 'dip' below $1000. It wouldn't be difficult to see $1400 thinkpads with core duos and integrated graphics.
link http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2323
Originally posted by jdbartlett
Still, these space-wasting features leave me begging for another "professional" ultraportable notebook from Apple. An alternative for people who want something lighter and smaller with a good battery life. In the meantime, there's plenty of fight left in my pb.
Space wasting? What, the IR? The widescreen?
This thing is only slightly wider than the old 12". If you want something smaller, you really want a completely new model, not a rehash of the small powerbooks.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Looks like Apple is planning to rake in the cash with the black MacBook for...$200 MORE!!! (ok...so it's got 20 extra gigs of storage space...that's not worth 200 more.
They must be charging for the rare indigo black dye in the plastic.
I can definitely see a lot of people buying it though as it *does* look that good in person.
Originally posted by cj171
1gb of ram for intel macs from gigaram costs $82 at newegg..and many reviews of intel mac owners sucessfully using it...so it's the best sure deal i've seen if you want to bump it...
a little disappointed with the gma950 but it's not that terrible
and i could care less about black laptops...that's so 90s and a total marketing ploy for the novelty factor...sure there are some resons it's useful esp for professionals, but the macbook isn't their professional line..
thats strange that newegg has many brands that cheap, while crucial and many other direct memory sellers are double that price.
Grabbing 2 1gb sticks under 200 would be very nice and saving a lot of money, just dont grab one stick, make sure you keep matching paris of memory. It will work without matching pairs, but the intel GMA950 will suffer a lot.
I'm not sure who to trust though, as some of the bigger better brands have double the prices, or the same prices for much slower memory. This is very odd overall, and i cant even find that stick of memory Newegg has on Gigarams website.
Originally posted by doh123
thats strange that newegg has many brands that cheap, while crucial and many other direct memory sellers are double that price.
Grabbing 2 1gb sticks under 200 would be very nice and saving a lot of money, just dont grab one stick, make sure you keep matching paris of memory. It will work without matching pairs, but the intel GMA950 will suffer a lot.
I'm not sure who to trust though, as some of the bigger better brands have double the prices, or the same prices for much slower memory. This is very odd overall, and i cant even find that stick of memory Newegg has on Gigarams website.
Generally speaking, you get what you pay for in RAM.. To be safe, I'd stick with trusted brands like Crucial. Better to be safe than sorry.
Originally posted by Relic
I'm really upset about the 12-inch, I hate that scratch prone case on the MacBook. Give me a Alu please, 12-inch or smaller.
i'll sell you my 12".....