Very good game. I should have listened to who ever said Spain would choke.
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Originally posted by Gilsch
Spain is looking good. But they have looked good in the past aswell...only to crash and burn. Just like Portugal.
Well, France looked good. Very quick and a lot of movement and solid defensively. I'm really liking Ribery. Sagnol had a heck of a game on defense aswell.
How a football lover can support France following Henry's blatent piece of cheating is beyond me. It was almost as bad as Rivaldo's face clutching in the corner 4 years ago.
To my mind it strengthens the need to have a proper post match video review, so TH can receive a red card post event for play acting, and Puyol drops his yellow (I wouldn't use it to alter the results of matches, mind).
BTW, following the Arsenal / Barcelona Champions League final where the same Puyol marked Henry out of the game, Henry said "Next time I'll learn to dive maybe, but I am not a woman". Turns out that he has, and he is.
How a football lover can support France following Henry's blatent piece of cheating is beyond me. It was almost as bad as Rivaldo's face clutching in the corner 4 years ago.
To my mind it strengthens the need to have a proper post match video review, so TH can receive a red card post event for play acting, and Puyol drops his yellow (I wouldn't use it to alter the results of matches, mind).
BTW, following the Arsenal / Barcelona Champions League final where the same Puyol marked Henry out of the game, Henry said "Next time I'll learn to dive maybe, but I am not a woman". Turns out that he has, and he is.
David
It's your interpretation.
I did not see the same thing. The spanish player did a foolish mistake.
I did not see the same thing. The spanish player did a foolish mistake.
Don't mean to take sides here, but that was blatant. How could you not see it????
Puyol hit Henry on the chest and Henry dropped to the ground clutching his face???
I have suggested before that FIFA should definitely review games and suspend players who try to trick the referee by diving and over dramatization. Ban those suckers a good couple of games and make it well known why.
I think with this cheating epidemic, they need video refs like in cricket. ie clear cut decisions are made on the spot, but they refer anything unclear to the video ref.
Barring that, they could at least add video refs for any calls in the box.
as Gilsch says, what did you not see that I did? No part of Puyol's anatomy touched Henry's face, and yet he went down clutching it!
I was watching the game in the UK, and both Terry Venable and Ruud Gullit called it blatent cheating. I have to agree with them.
Going back to video, I agree that probably for a while players would get a shock. But hopefully they're not all so daft that their behaviour wouldn't change quickly.
as Gilsch says, what did you not see that I did? No part of Puyol's anatomy touched Henry's face, and yet he went down clutching it!
I was watching the game in the UK, and both Terry Venable and Ruud Gullit called it blatent cheating. I have to agree with them.
Going back to video, I agree that probably for a while players would get a shock. But hopefully they're not all so daft that their behaviour wouldn't change quickly.
David
He was not hurted to the face, but to the chest. For me if he hurted his face, it's because he lost a good occasion.
That's said I am OK for video, but unfortunately Blatter is against it : he fear that the game might be slowed down.
Note also that you need several cameras in order to have an opinion : one can show something, while other show something else.
That's said I am OK for video, but unfortunately Blatter is against it : he fear that the game might be slowed down.
Note also that you need several cameras in order to have an opinion : one can show something, while other show something else.
I am not saying video DURING the game...but after the game. Have a panel review the game and then suspend the divers and whoever overdramatized a play a-la-Rivaldo in 2002 or Henry in 2006.
And as far as camera angles go, I agree with you. But isn't that the same thing for refs and linesmen? Mistakes will be made, nobody's perfect. But that works towards cleaning up the game of divers and cheats anyways.
Don't wanna get banned? Play like a man, behave like a gentleman and don't try to cheat.
Video examining for fouls cheating diving whatever afterward doesn't
make any sense. Btw, afterward video examining is current practice anyway.
A lot of players get punished afterward, in that case that the ref haven't
seen the foul within the match.
Anything that helps stop the diving and fake injuries makes a lot of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you? And video examining like this is not current practice....at least not that I'm aware of. Have a link?
In the Premiership it's mostly the FA's initiative when they deem something that happened during a game deserves a closer look. i.e violent behavior, misbehavior, inciting the fans, inappropriate conduct, spitting, wrong yellow etc. There's a difference. I speak from what I know about the Premiership.
Anything that helps stop the diving and fake injuries makes a lot of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you? And video examining like this is not current practice....at least not that I'm aware of. Have a link?
Don't worry, of course it makes sense.
In German "Bundesliga" it is current practice, that players can be punished
after the video examination revealed a very bad foul (which the ref
didn't notice) or very unfair behaviour.
Actually, recent matches (e.g. Italy vs. Australia) pretty much revealed that
diving and nasty hidden fouls and such eventually can decide an entire
match. Hence i am all for video examining WHILE the play is taking place.
The Argies were just playing volleyball with the ball. Germany has been dominating and it is no wonder they score. I have to travel in 15 minutes and will miss the OT if it goes that far. BUMMER!
Well, the great Germans were unable to beat Argentina in regular time... Well done, Argentina! Most of the more exciting shots on goal were by Arg, too. The Germans did put on a powerful 30 minutes in the 2nd half.
However, I wonder how much the ref was being paid by Germany. There were gross mistakes made in Germany's favor and it was pathetic. Argentina should have had a PK with the foul in the penalty area (unless I am blind); the ref got a thumbs up and a pat on the back for that one.
And to the booing... Though I thought England had the World Booing Cup under wraps, they may have lost the title to Germany, who made that a very difficult match to watch. They boo a downed player who had to be carried off, and every time Arg got the ball, period. Sick. Just sick.
The more we watch soccer, the less appealing it becomes. I think I'll stick with yachting.
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Originally posted by reg
Very good game. I should have listened to who ever said Spain would choke.
Originally posted by Gilsch
Spain is looking good. But they have looked good in the past aswell...only to crash and burn. Just like Portugal.
Well, France looked good. Very quick and a lot of movement and solid defensively. I'm really liking Ribery. Sagnol had a heck of a game on defense aswell.
España, España, España. You did it again.
What a game that's going to be.
Originally posted by Frank777
It's going to be Germany vs. Brazil. Home Team vs. World Favourite.
What a game that's going to be.
I really hope you're right man. Don't forget that would also be a rematch of the 2002 Final.
Originally posted by Gilsch
España, España, España. You did it again.
So true. For a team of such talent, they sure choke a lot when it counts. My Spanish mate is fuming atm
Originally posted by Frank777
It's going to be Germany vs. Brazil. Home Team vs. World Favourite.
What a game that's going to be.
Would be fun and a nice recap of the
2002 final.
reach the finale, no dice
France. "Round"aldo vs. the elderly, fun fun fun.
To my mind it strengthens the need to have a proper post match video review, so TH can receive a red card post event for play acting, and Puyol drops his yellow (I wouldn't use it to alter the results of matches, mind).
BTW, following the Arsenal / Barcelona Champions League final where the same Puyol marked Henry out of the game, Henry said "Next time I'll learn to dive maybe, but I am not a woman". Turns out that he has, and he is.
David
Originally posted by iMac David
How a football lover can support France following Henry's blatent piece of cheating is beyond me. It was almost as bad as Rivaldo's face clutching in the corner 4 years ago.
To my mind it strengthens the need to have a proper post match video review, so TH can receive a red card post event for play acting, and Puyol drops his yellow (I wouldn't use it to alter the results of matches, mind).
BTW, following the Arsenal / Barcelona Champions League final where the same Puyol marked Henry out of the game, Henry said "Next time I'll learn to dive maybe, but I am not a woman". Turns out that he has, and he is.
David
It's your interpretation.
I did not see the same thing. The spanish player did a foolish mistake.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
It's your interpretation.
I did not see the same thing. The spanish player did a foolish mistake.
Don't mean to take sides here, but that was blatant. How could you not see it????
Puyol hit Henry on the chest and Henry dropped to the ground clutching his face???
I have suggested before that FIFA should definitely review games and suspend players who try to trick the referee by diving and over dramatization. Ban those suckers a good couple of games and make it well known why.
Barring that, they could at least add video refs for any calls in the box.
as Gilsch says, what did you not see that I did? No part of Puyol's anatomy touched Henry's face, and yet he went down clutching it!
I was watching the game in the UK, and both Terry Venable and Ruud Gullit called it blatent cheating. I have to agree with them.
Going back to video, I agree that probably for a while players would get a shock. But hopefully they're not all so daft that their behaviour wouldn't change quickly.
David
Originally posted by iMac David
Powerdoc,
as Gilsch says, what did you not see that I did? No part of Puyol's anatomy touched Henry's face, and yet he went down clutching it!
I was watching the game in the UK, and both Terry Venable and Ruud Gullit called it blatent cheating. I have to agree with them.
Going back to video, I agree that probably for a while players would get a shock. But hopefully they're not all so daft that their behaviour wouldn't change quickly.
David
He was not hurted to the face, but to the chest. For me if he hurted his face, it's because he lost a good occasion.
That's said I am OK for video, but unfortunately Blatter is against it : he fear that the game might be slowed down.
Note also that you need several cameras in order to have an opinion : one can show something, while other show something else.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
That's said I am OK for video, but unfortunately Blatter is against it : he fear that the game might be slowed down.
Note also that you need several cameras in order to have an opinion : one can show something, while other show something else.
I am not saying video DURING the game...but after the game. Have a panel review the game and then suspend the divers and whoever overdramatized a play a-la-Rivaldo in 2002 or Henry in 2006.
And as far as camera angles go, I agree with you. But isn't that the same thing for refs and linesmen? Mistakes will be made, nobody's perfect. But that works towards cleaning up the game of divers and cheats anyways.
Don't wanna get banned? Play like a man, behave like a gentleman and don't try to cheat.
Originally posted by Gilsch
Don't wanna get banned? Play like a man, behave like a gentleman and don't try to cheat.
I think the English have felt that sentiment for years.
Originally posted by Gilsch
I am not saying video DURING the game...but after the game. ...
Video examining for fouls cheating diving whatever afterward doesn't
make any sense. Btw, afterward video examining is current practice anyway.
A lot of players get punished afterward, in that case that the ref haven't
seen the foul within the match.
Btw i think modern football (and any kind of sport of greater
significance) is heading toward real time video observation.
This is an inevitable development and possibly brings on more
justice.
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
Video examining for fouls cheating diving whatever afterward doesn't
make any sense. Btw, afterward video examining is current practice anyway.
A lot of players get punished afterward, in that case that the ref haven't
seen the foul within the match.
Anything that helps stop the diving and fake injuries makes a lot of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you? And video examining like this is not current practice....at least not that I'm aware of. Have a link?
In the Premiership it's mostly the FA's initiative when they deem something that happened during a game deserves a closer look. i.e violent behavior, misbehavior, inciting the fans, inappropriate conduct, spitting, wrong yellow etc. There's a difference. I speak from what I know about the Premiership.
Originally posted by Gilsch
Anything that helps stop the diving and fake injuries makes a lot of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you? And video examining like this is not current practice....at least not that I'm aware of. Have a link?
Don't worry, of course it makes sense.
In German "Bundesliga" it is current practice, that players can be punished
after the video examination revealed a very bad foul (which the ref
didn't notice) or very unfair behaviour.
Actually, recent matches (e.g. Italy vs. Australia) pretty much revealed that
diving and nasty hidden fouls and such eventually can decide an entire
match. Hence i am all for video examining WHILE the play is taking place.
reg
However, I wonder how much the ref was being paid by Germany. There were gross mistakes made in Germany's favor and it was pathetic. Argentina should have had a PK with the foul in the penalty area (unless I am blind); the ref got a thumbs up and a pat on the back for that one.
And to the booing... Though I thought England had the World Booing Cup under wraps, they may have lost the title to Germany, who made that a very difficult match to watch. They boo a downed player who had to be carried off, and every time Arg got the ball, period. Sick. Just sick.
The more we watch soccer, the less appealing it becomes. I think I'll stick with yachting.