For the fun of it, enter your Mock-ups for an Apple HD TV here!!

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  • Reply 81 of 153
    eckingecking Posts: 1,588member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rolo View Post


    With a new Apple display, an iTV, and a USB tuner, you can have a complete HDTV system. Just add a good surround sound speaker system. Apple may even be working on that, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see an all-Apple home entertainment system next year.



    Do you know how much more that would cost than just buying an hdtv? At apple prices anyone that did that would be insane, unless they magically lower their prices to todays hdtvs, which are lower and lower and lower.



    For the price of the 30" ACD alone I could have 2 well branded good quality hdtvs.
  • Reply 82 of 153
    I honestly don't think Apple wants to make a TV.
  • Reply 83 of 153
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ecking View Post


    Do you know how much more that would cost than just buying an hdtv? At apple prices anyone that did that would be insane, unless they magically lower their prices to todays hdtvs, which are lower and lower and lower.



    For the price of the 30" ACD alone I could have 2 well branded good quality hdtvs.



    They would not be flat panel though; they would be rear projection or standard deep tv.
  • Reply 84 of 153
    rolorolo Posts: 686member
    I have no idea if Apple will come out with an all-in-one TV but it looks like it's coming out with the components. If their new displays have HDMI connectors, that means they can double as HDTVs that will work with the iTV part. Blu-ray HD disc players also have HDMI output. I see there's a Samsung unit at Myer-Emco for $749. Those prices are coming down fast.



    A real AIO HDTV system from Apple would have to have the iTV + display + tuner combo. I'm not sure Apple will do that or if it makes economic sense but I'd sure like to see it.
  • Reply 85 of 153
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ecking View Post


    Do you know how much more that would cost than just buying an hdtv? At apple prices anyone that did that would be insane, unless they magically lower their prices to todays hdtvs, which are lower and lower and lower.



    For the price of the 30" ACD alone I could have 2 well branded good quality hdtvs.



    That really depends on what the display type is if Apple releases a TV or a computer monitor. The ACD is not an HDTV, it's not meant for TV use. If Apple sells something that going to be sold for use as a TV, then it will be a proper TV rather than a computer monitor and would probably cost a lot less than the same size computer monitor.
  • Reply 86 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    That really depends on what the display type is if Apple releases a TV or a computer monitor. The ACD is not an HDTV, it's not meant for TV use. If Apple sells something that going to be sold for use as a TV, then it will be a proper TV rather than a computer monitor and would probably cost a lot less than the same size computer monitor.



    Bingo!



    Edit.. any chance we can get back to those mock-ups guys?
  • Reply 87 of 153
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    If Apple sells something that going to be sold for use as a TV, then it will be a proper TV rather than a computer monitor and would probably cost a lot less than the same size computer monitor.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    I honestly don't think Apple wants to make a TV.





    True, but why would Apple join a market that is so saturate?



    The current 30" Apple cinema display is great, there is a competitor on Dell 30", besides these two who else is out there providing such high end computer monitor? please let me know if any other.



    Now let's look at the HDTV market. A segment that Ireland and Rolo really wants Apple to join in.

    Basically every single major consumer electronics manufacturer has a presence: Sony, LG, Sharp, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sanyo, Toshiba, Samsung, Philips, etc.

    Then prices are dropping faster than a drunk on a Carnival parade, one example. Pioneer launched in July and amazing 1080p display at $10K, now less than 6 months later the same goes for $7K. I predict by 2007 year's end $4K. Man, that's $3K drop in less than 6 months. Compare to the Apple 30" Cinema Display that's what?, 2.5 years old? The drop in price has been $1500 in 2.5 years.

    Another thing, there is a HUGE variety of great quality HDTV displays out there for anybody tastes and budget.

    OK, now why would Apple be interest in joining such crowded market? Why do you think Apple doesn't have a digital camera, camcorder, printer, etc.? Because there is too much competition and great products out there and the same products will not help Apple's leverage their Mac sales.



    The iPod fill a void in a sucks mp3 player market, the same can't be said for the HDTV market.



    I am a firm believer Apple will join the TV market providing technologies like iTV and possible some sort of integration of software just like it did iTunes with music. Maybe an iTunes/or/and Front Row with TV listings, DVR recording capabilities, etc. That would draw people to buy Macs. Not an AppleTV folks.



    It's simple, and don't forget Steve is not TV number one fan!
  • Reply 88 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    gugy,





    Apple making a printer is not the same as Apple making a TV. Case in point, the iPod Hi-Fi. What did Apple think it was bringing different to the table with the iPod Hi-Fi then. Using your logic they would have never made the Hi-Fi. Apple will makes TV's for lots of reasons.



    Here's a few;

    1. Apple makes consumer electronics products. Apple is moving into the living room, and TV's are the most predominant product there.

    2. We've already established that Apple wants us to connect our TV's to our computers, ala the iTV.

    3. Apple loves the AIO.

    4. Steve Jobs doesn't love tv's. How is this a bad thing? After all that would only give him more of a reason to try to reinvent them.

    5. Apple mightn't even stop there, they could licence iTV technologies to select TV makers as-well. HD Ready? What about iTV Ready?

    6. Apple knows style. People like style. People like Apple products. People would buy Apple's TV.

    7. Apple is a business, and this makes logical business sense for them IMO.

    8. Apple knows ease-of-use, People like ease-of-use.

    9. People desperately want a TV they can take out of the box, plug in, and do everything they want to do using only one remote control right away. With the AIO Apple TV this may be finally possible. And you can bet your bottom dollar Apple has their eyes on that prize.



    Besides they have stores all over the States, using them those TV's would probably sell like hot cakes.
  • Reply 89 of 153
    Like the mobile phone business, I don't think Apple has much to gain in making a consumer TV. Prices would be sky high, so they would need some kind of innovative gimmick like iTV hardware built in or basically making it a giant iMac.
  • Reply 90 of 153
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    4. Steve Jobs doesn't love tv's. How is this a bad thing? After all that would only give him more of a reason to try to reinvent them.

    .



    It's a bad thing if Apple makes a halo device that costs a lot to develop, they completely misjudge the users, and the thing bombs. Apple usually gets in trouble when they try to fix something that isn't broke in the eyes of most everyone else.
  • Reply 91 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    It's a bad thing if Apple makes a halo device that costs a lot to develop, they completely misjudge the users, and the thing bombs. Apple usually gets in trouble when they try to fix something that isn't broke in the eyes of most everyone else.



    5 Devices, and 5 remotes is broke in my eyes.
  • Reply 92 of 153
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Apple making a printer is not the same as Apple making a TV. Case in point, the iPod Hi-Fi. What did Apple think it was bringing different to the table with the iPod Hi-Fi then. Using your logic they would have never made the Hi-Fi. Apple will makes TV's for lots of reasons.



    3. Apple loves the AIO.

    4. Steve Jobs doesn't love tv's. How is this a bad thing? After all that would only give him more of a reason to try to reinvent them.

    .





    Ireland,

    You still not giving me a compelling reason to expect to see an Apple TV.



    I select the points above just to say:



    Yes, it's true the iPod HI-FI is here, and oh boy what a success this thing is!

    R&D for a TV is way bigger than and little speaker and second the prices of such devices are NOT dropping like the HDTV sets are.



    OK, Apple love an AIO, but why bring it for an TV? people keep their TVs for long time. I have mine for 7 years. I am planning to get an HDTV next year and keep it for at least 5 years. Why would why want a technology besides the TV built-in on my HDTV set that might become obsolete in 2 to 3 years and then have to replace the whole dam set?



    and finally, I am pretty sure Steve can careless for the current TV model. He is willing to bring Apple to have a model that TV downloads using a Mac are the way to watch TV instead of just surfing channels and setting up DVRs. Why a TV is necessary to achieve that? plus the digital hub is around the Mac, not the TV set.



    Sorry man, I know you want a AppleTV so badly. but the reasons you bring to the table are NOT strong enough to have Apple putting tons of money to develop such a thing and make a profit selling then and help leverage Mac sales.

    Do you want a great TV, buy this one, It's out of this world!



    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...043890,00.html
  • Reply 93 of 153
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    You still not giving me a compelling reason to expect to see an Apple TV.




    Apple looks to have a strategy whereby they have a piece of the living room and all the digital content that goes with it. They aren't going to get the enterprise or corporate business.
  • Reply 94 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    I honestly don't think Apple wants to make a TV.



    With new news coming in, it's time to do this;
  • Reply 95 of 153
    vox barbaravox barbara Posts: 2,021member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flaming seagull View Post


    Apologies if this sounds a bit dumb... but.



    Apple HDTV = iMac (screwed to wall) + digital audio out (to your av amp) + version of elgato



    therefore - all apple beauty, cd player, dvd player, itunes, tv, internet on one screen.



    they just need to make a 32" one.



    -al



    It is not a dumb question. The setup you describe is probably

    a beauty, may i add, a pricey beauty. But also dedicated to tech savvy people and/or Mac fans.

    The average jimbim doesn't need this power monster as a simple TV setup.

    It is just not mainstream enough to attract a lot of people outside the Apple world.
  • Reply 96 of 153
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
    hey Ireland and Rolo, I guess your dream of an AppleTV is a reality now.

    Too bad is not a TV.

  • Reply 97 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    hey Ireland and Rolo, I guess your dream of an AppleTV is a reality now.

    Too bad is not a TV.



    I never said it was going to happen until early 2008 or late 2007, so. I wanted people to make the mock-ups before the device gets released not after.
  • Reply 98 of 153
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    True, but why would Apple join a market that is so saturate?



    What? You mean like cell phones?



    Apple just drew a line in the sand and said we're a general consumer electronics company not a computer company anymore. A mini-Sony.



    Will they make an apple branded HDTV? Its not a given but its not completely out in left field. No one else is going to be building a TV with iTV built in so if there's a market they'll have to be the ones that does the integration. There's nothing really odd about Apple having a couple HDTV models with integrated iTVs sitting in Apple stores that are OEM'd by some glass maker they have a relationship with for monitors anyway.



    With only one or two models their volumes should be high enough for a niche market and picking the right sizes they will have the margin they want. An no one else will have iTV built in and perhaps some specialized FrontRow integration for TV setup and tuner control.



    Vinea
  • Reply 99 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Don't forget if Apple did their own TV's they would do a more comprehensive remote, and they'd probably put a slot-load DVD player in the side, just like the iMac. I believe however that they are waiting to release iTunes 8 or 9, with iPTV iTunes TV Service, to wait for the right moment to release the TV's. Apple having the name change today, is also a hint of things like this to come. Apple wants to be a solutions company, and not just seen as a computer company.





    Look at this poster, and think about what you it is you are looking at, read the whole thing slowly , and then read it again.. and again. The message is clear; Change the way you look at TV. Change. IPTV would be a big change. Plus the naming; Apple tv. Apple could call their actual TV's; Apple TV. They wouldn't say they had (iTV) Apple TV built insde, but rather they would say; "These TV's have the same sweet interface as that little box. Everything that's in the box, is in the TV. And what's more the hard drive is 120GB. I'm thinking they could actually put the hard drive inside, same software, and because they would know they would have customers lined up, they could actually price the TV's competitively.









    One more thing... I not only believe Apple is working on a TV, but I believe they will call their TV; Apple TV. They already call their box; Apple TV, & I think they will also call their true iPTV service; Apple TV.
  • Reply 100 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Apple just drew a line in the sand and said we're a general consumer electronics company not a computer company anymore. A mini-Sony.



    Will they make an apple branded HDTV? Its not a given but its not completely out in left field. No one else is going to be building a TV with iTV built in so if there's a market they'll have to be the ones that does the integration. There's nothing really odd about Apple having a couple HDTV models with integrated iTVs sitting in Apple stores that are OEM'd by some glass maker they have a relationship with for monitors anyway.



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