"Those are some lofty prices there" the prices mentioned are not that far out. Go to any website and look for 40" + HDTV hi-end, Pioneer, Sony and many others. $3K to $7k are pretty much what they cost for 1080p.
Apple usually charge a premium for their products, so I would not be surprise if they ever come up with such TV they will charge accordingly.
I can't see Apple selling a TV for $7,000, that's all I'm sayin'.
what is it exactly you want? people to agree with you?
or would it be possible for you to accept that the people who DISagree with you might be right, and therefore you can change your view? or indeed your approach to the subject.
as i have said before, you get very huffy if someone disagrees with you.
sure, 720p are selling well. and they will continue. There are people who buys TVs that are not even HDTV, like standard res.
AIO are great for some products like computers(iMac), some printer/fax/scanner combos, etc...
The point I am making is why would you pay $3k to $7k for a great HDTV set (hi-end) and have a built-in that could make it obsolete sooner than later.
Basicaly, I think anobody that's looking into purchase a hi-end HDTV wants it to last longer than 3 to 4 years.
If Apple ever makes a HDTV will be an expensive item that somebody wants to keep for awhile.
your post, rather than being a "Random collection of thoughts" made me think of a way AROUND the problem, i could potentially see apple announce a partnership with a screen manufacturer along the lines of
[stevenote]apple have negotiated a deal with xxx, so that these 40" and 50" screens they make will have this REALLY KOOL slot on the back where you can just slot in your appple TV {BOOM} and instantly the TV screen will pass the apple remote infrared signal to the now INVISABLE apple TV box WIRELESSLY... so i guess you could say, in effect, apple are now selling a complete TV package... with the help of our new partners at xxxx so Today i'd like to welcome on stage xxxx from the xxxx company...." etc [/stevenote]
just a POTENTIAL way around the problem, Ireland gets his TV... and Apple DONT make TVs
what is it exactly you want? people to agree with you?
or would it be possible for you to accept that the people who DISagree with you might be right, and therefore you can change your view? or indeed your approach to the subject.
as i have said before, you get very huffy if someone disagrees with you.
I don't think Ireland's point was about disagreement or agreement on the points, just that the post was a string of disjointed thoughts.
Well I'm glad you don't hate me because we disagree on this issue.
man, I don't hate anybody, neither you, Ireland or Rolo.
I like to be able to have a discussion and if there is a disagreement I just hope the other part can provide good thoughts and interpretations to support their point of view.
Pioneer 1080p 50" started at $10K and now it's $7k.
It's one of the best plasmas out there in the moment.
I'm really into TV's, a get a magazine on them. My sister has a 42" Plasma Panasonic Viera, I told her to get it when she asked me which one should she get. I myself have a smaller Bravia, I felt oor, and got a deal on it. The Panny ROCKS!!
man, I don't hate anybody, neither you, Ireland or Rolo.
I like to be able to have a discussion and if there is a disagreement I just hope the other part can provide good thoughts and interpretations to support their point of view.
I'm not worried about Apple stuff in my AIO HD TV going obsolete, I'm worried about the TV surrounding my (expensive) built in Apple stuff going obsolete.
Software upgradable Apple gear built into a flat screen doesn't "future proof" it, because flat screens advance much more quickly than wireless/DVR/HDD/software do.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
Whereas I could have just as easily plugged in a single Apple box (the software upgradable future proofed part) that I could then transfer over to my new display, old and new displays having both cost me substantially less than an AIO.
The whole "ease of use" thing is so weak-- we're talking about the equivalent of plugging in a DVD player. I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: if that kind of ease of use were desired, we would have a selection of large screens with built in DVDs to choose from.
We don't, because manufactures know that they are trivial to hook up and that decoupling the source from the screen makes for a much more sensible set up with much more flexible adaptability to changing tech.
I'm not worried about Apple stuff in my AIO HD TV going obsolete, I'm worried about the TV surrounding my (expensive) built in Apple stuff going obsolete.
Software upgradable Apple gear built into a flat screen doesn't "future proof" it, because flat screens advance much more quickly than wireless/DVR/HDD/software do.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
I understand your sentiment, but I don't understand this particular argument. How often do you replace your TV?
I personally prefer having separate devices whenever it's reasonable, but I can see a market for more unified devices. I don't think it's because of the "difficulty" in plugging in a few devices but because of the switching necessary and the rat's nest of cables that inevitably result from having a lot of separate devices.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
That happens with computers every day which are pretty expensive as well yet the mantra is 'get what you need when you need it something better is always around the corner'. I think TV technology evolves less rapidly than the pc market. A 1080p tv with built in DVR, cable card and built in ATV would still be a good set in 5 years.
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Whereas I could have just as easily plugged in a single Apple box (the software upgradable future proofed part) that I could then transfer over to my new display, old and new displays having both cost me substantially less than an AIO.
The whole "ease of use" thing is so weak-- we're talking about the equivalent of plugging in a DVD player. I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: if that kind of ease of use were desired, we would have a selection of large screens with built in DVDs to choose from.
I think that looking ahead that isn't necessarily true. Look at all that would be hooked up: home theatre, DVR, ATV and cable/Satellite. That's starting to be a lot of cables and such to connect I think intergrating this into the display does add value.
I understand your sentiment, but I don't understand this particular argument. How often do you replace your TV?
I personally prefer having separate devices whenever it's reasonable, but I can see a market for more unified devices. I don't think it's because of the "difficulty" in plugging in a few devices but because of the switching necessary and the rat's nest of cables that inevitably result from having a lot of separate devices.
True, as far as it goes, but I don't think anyone expects Apple to make a TV that includes everything you have or might plug into your TV, so an AppleTV AIO doesn't really address the rat's nest thing, except slightly.
Now, when we get to the point that we get all our media online, then, sure: an internet enabled TV with an elegant interface to navigate the web or a server and the ability to stream and store content locally makes perfect sense, since that would be the "whole widget".
But iTunes movies notwithstanding we are far from that day. People are still plugging VHS decks into their wide screen sets, they want to be able to hook up the camcorder, they have DVD players and cable boxes, some are already adding HD DVD/Blu-Ray boxes, etc
An AOI just adds a wireless option to the clutter, instead of eliminating it.
Seems like there's no good time to resurrect a thread, but I feel so strongly that Apple is working on an Television, and I wanted to give them some feedback on aspects people would want from such a device before they announce it, and it ships, and we're all left crying with our head in our hands.
Here's what I submitted to them via feedback and feedback. I strongly suggest you guys submit this too, or at least something similar. If you're feeling lazy just copy and paste my submission below.
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Title - My suggestions to Apple Inc. for an Apple Television
I didn't know where else to submit this, so here I go. I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.
Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!
Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;
1.\tBlack
2.\tThin
3.\tSexy
4.\t100GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB)
5.\tApple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6.\t24Watt internal speakers
7.\tSide load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8.\tPlasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9.\tStand that can rotate.
10.\t802.11(all)
11.\t1080p
12.\tTwo HDMI ports.
13.\tTwo USB ports.
14.\tAt least one SCART port.
15.\tAnalogue and digital audio etc.
16.\tApple TV Front Row-esque interface.
Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.
GET ON IT APPLE!!
Cheers.
PS, not that I'm telling you how to do your job or anything, but a cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)
Oh guys, the offer is still open for some mock-up genii.
7.\tSide load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
I'm not sure if a side-loading slot would be the best way to implement the DVD drive - it wouldn't work well for a TV that's in an entertainment center without much breathing room. Maybe in the base would work better?
PS, not that I'm telling you how to do your job or anything, but a cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)
THAT would be cool! although why not put a magnet on along the top edge of the TV as well (a TV is a high dollar purchase and manets are cheap!) so that the remote can be placed there as well... why? well i can go in turn on my TV set it up to play back cartoons for the kids... and put the remote out of harms way! but the TV doesnt tun off.
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100GB far too small IMO even 250GB is small.
i have a PVR that has a 160GB drive in it and i am constantly dumping stuff from it to external drives... currently in the process of converting them to MPEG for playback in front row (yes, i couldnt wait any longer and i moved the mini in beside the TV! now if only apple would upgrade their damn hardware *I* could have a mac all to myself ) anyway, i have 100 films on a 400GB drive plus several dozen series and im fairly well into filling a second 400GB drive and thats only in the last six months or so!
storage is a big problem i think Joe might need 80GB but you or I need ten TB as a START... where do you aim your middle ground? to suit the average guy? i dont think so, it wont be anyone "Average" buying an Apple TV set.
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"Those are some lofty prices there" the prices mentioned are not that far out. Go to any website and look for 40" + HDTV hi-end, Pioneer, Sony and many others. $3K to $7k are pretty much what they cost for 1080p.
Apple usually charge a premium for their products, so I would not be surprise if they ever come up with such TV they will charge accordingly.
I can't see Apple selling a TV for $7,000, that's all I'm sayin'.
What's this, a collection of random thoughts?
what is it exactly you want? people to agree with you?
or would it be possible for you to accept that the people who DISagree with you might be right, and therefore you can change your view? or indeed your approach to the subject.
as i have said before, you get very huffy if someone disagrees with you.
anyway... more follows
sure, 720p are selling well. and they will continue. There are people who buys TVs that are not even HDTV, like standard res.
AIO are great for some products like computers(iMac), some printer/fax/scanner combos, etc...
The point I am making is why would you pay $3k to $7k for a great HDTV set (hi-end) and have a built-in that could make it obsolete sooner than later.
Basicaly, I think anobody that's looking into purchase a hi-end HDTV wants it to last longer than 3 to 4 years.
If Apple ever makes a HDTV will be an expensive item that somebody wants to keep for awhile.
your post, rather than being a "Random collection of thoughts"
[stevenote]apple have negotiated a deal with xxx, so that these 40" and 50" screens they make will have this REALLY KOOL slot on the back where you can just slot in your appple TV {BOOM} and instantly the TV screen will pass the apple remote infrared signal to the now INVISABLE apple TV box WIRELESSLY... so i guess you could say, in effect, apple are now selling a complete TV package... with the help of our new partners at xxxx so Today i'd like to welcome on stage xxxx from the xxxx company...." etc [/stevenote]
just a POTENTIAL way around the problem, Ireland gets his TV... and Apple DONT make TVs
what is it exactly you want? people to agree with you?
or would it be possible for you to accept that the people who DISagree with you might be right, and therefore you can change your view? or indeed your approach to the subject.
as i have said before, you get very huffy if someone disagrees with you.
I don't think Ireland's point was about disagreement or agreement on the points, just that the post was a string of disjointed thoughts.
I don't think Ireland's point was about disagreement or agreement on the points, just that the post was a string of disjointed thoughts.
mmm... the board IS littered with them
I can't see Apple selling a TV for $7,000, that's all I'm sayin'.
i completely agree, although... that depends on SIZE
Well I'm glad you don't hate me because we disagree on this issue.
man, I don't hate anybody, neither you, Ireland or Rolo.
I like to be able to have a discussion and if there is a disagreement I just hope the other part can provide good thoughts and interpretations to support their point of view.
Peace and love!
I can't see Apple selling a TV for $7,000, that's all I'm sayin'.
I hope you ae right.
Pioneer 1080p 50" started at $10K and now it's $7k.
It's one of the best plasmas out there in the moment.
what is it exactly you want? people to agree with you?
Here he comes.
I hope you ae right.
Pioneer 1080p 50" started at $10K and now it's $7k.
It's one of the best plasmas out there in the moment.
I'm really into TV's, a get a magazine on them. My sister has a 42" Plasma Panasonic Viera, I told her to get it when she asked me which one should she get. I myself have a smaller Bravia, I felt oor, and got a deal on it. The Panny ROCKS!!
man, I don't hate anybody, neither you, Ireland or Rolo.
I like to be able to have a discussion and if there is a disagreement I just hope the other part can provide good thoughts and interpretations to support their point of view.
Peace and love!
Group hug!!!
Here he comes.
you mind if i PM you? to sort a few things out?
i dont mind doing it on the public board but i dont want to take the thing off topic
cheers
Software upgradable Apple gear built into a flat screen doesn't "future proof" it, because flat screens advance much more quickly than wireless/DVR/HDD/software do.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
Whereas I could have just as easily plugged in a single Apple box (the software upgradable future proofed part) that I could then transfer over to my new display, old and new displays having both cost me substantially less than an AIO.
The whole "ease of use" thing is so weak-- we're talking about the equivalent of plugging in a DVD player. I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: if that kind of ease of use were desired, we would have a selection of large screens with built in DVDs to choose from.
We don't, because manufactures know that they are trivial to hook up and that decoupling the source from the screen makes for a much more sensible set up with much more flexible adaptability to changing tech.
I'm not worried about Apple stuff in my AIO HD TV going obsolete, I'm worried about the TV surrounding my (expensive) built in Apple stuff going obsolete.
Software upgradable Apple gear built into a flat screen doesn't "future proof" it, because flat screens advance much more quickly than wireless/DVR/HDD/software do.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
I understand your sentiment, but I don't understand this particular argument. How often do you replace your TV?
I personally prefer having separate devices whenever it's reasonable, but I can see a market for more unified devices. I don't think it's because of the "difficulty" in plugging in a few devices but because of the switching necessary and the rat's nest of cables that inevitably result from having a lot of separate devices.
So I buy my 50" plasma for, what, a $500 premium for having built in stuff, and when the new hotness comes out that $500 is just bolted on loss.
That happens with computers every day which are pretty expensive as well yet the mantra is 'get what you need when you need it something better is always around the corner'. I think TV technology evolves less rapidly than the pc market. A 1080p tv with built in DVR, cable card and built in ATV would still be a good set in 5 years.
Whereas I could have just as easily plugged in a single Apple box (the software upgradable future proofed part) that I could then transfer over to my new display, old and new displays having both cost me substantially less than an AIO.
The whole "ease of use" thing is so weak-- we're talking about the equivalent of plugging in a DVD player. I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: if that kind of ease of use were desired, we would have a selection of large screens with built in DVDs to choose from.
I think that looking ahead that isn't necessarily true. Look at all that would be hooked up: home theatre, DVR, ATV and cable/Satellite. That's starting to be a lot of cables and such to connect I think intergrating this into the display does add value.
I understand your sentiment, but I don't understand this particular argument. How often do you replace your TV?
I personally prefer having separate devices whenever it's reasonable, but I can see a market for more unified devices. I don't think it's because of the "difficulty" in plugging in a few devices but because of the switching necessary and the rat's nest of cables that inevitably result from having a lot of separate devices.
True, as far as it goes, but I don't think anyone expects Apple to make a TV that includes everything you have or might plug into your TV, so an AppleTV AIO doesn't really address the rat's nest thing, except slightly.
Now, when we get to the point that we get all our media online, then, sure: an internet enabled TV with an elegant interface to navigate the web or a server and the ability to stream and store content locally makes perfect sense, since that would be the "whole widget".
But iTunes movies notwithstanding we are far from that day. People are still plugging VHS decks into their wide screen sets, they want to be able to hook up the camcorder, they have DVD players and cable boxes, some are already adding HD DVD/Blu-Ray boxes, etc
An AOI just adds a wireless option to the clutter, instead of eliminating it.
/appletv onscreen icon.
Here's what I submitted to them via feedback and feedback. I strongly suggest you guys submit this too, or at least something similar. If you're feeling lazy just copy and paste my submission below.
--------------------------------------------
Title - My suggestions to Apple Inc. for an Apple Television
I didn't know where else to submit this, so here I go. I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.
Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!
Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;
1.\tBlack
2.\tThin
3.\tSexy
4.\t100GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB)
5.\tApple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6.\t24Watt internal speakers
7.\tSide load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8.\tPlasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9.\tStand that can rotate.
10.\t802.11(all)
11.\t1080p
12.\tTwo HDMI ports.
13.\tTwo USB ports.
14.\tAt least one SCART port.
15.\tAnalogue and digital audio etc.
16.\tApple TV Front Row-esque interface.
Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.
GET ON IT APPLE!!
Cheers.
PS, not that I'm telling you how to do your job or anything, but a cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)
Oh guys, the offer is still open for some mock-up genii.
7.\tSide load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
I'm not sure if a side-loading slot would be the best way to implement the DVD drive - it wouldn't work well for a TV that's in an entertainment center without much breathing room. Maybe in the base would work better?
PS, not that I'm telling you how to do your job or anything, but a cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)
THAT would be cool! although why not put a magnet on along the top edge of the TV as well (a TV is a high dollar purchase and manets are cheap!) so that the remote can be placed there as well... why? well i can go in turn on my TV set it up to play back cartoons for the kids... and put the remote out of harms way!
---
100GB far too small IMO even 250GB is small.
i have a PVR that has a 160GB drive in it and i am constantly dumping stuff from it to external drives... currently in the process of converting them to MPEG for playback in front row (yes, i couldnt wait any longer and i moved the mini in beside the TV! now if only apple would upgrade their damn hardware *I* could have a mac all to myself
storage is a big problem i think Joe might need 80GB but you or I need ten TB as a START... where do you aim your middle ground? to suit the average guy? i dont think so, it wont be anyone "Average" buying an Apple TV set.
OLED or nothing