I do not set the specs for the BD-J profile 1.1/2.0. Go complain to those who did. If you're really interested to know why this and that..... try google.com.
I know I'd like the features...but I'm not sure if you would.
Wow, cut and paste reply. How... original.
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Originally Posted by JLL
And again: it's profile 1.1 - not BD-J profile 1.1
But, but, bitemymac knows everything. How could he possibly be wrong?
It appears the wait may be over, with software giant Adobe selecting Blu-ray as their format choice for delivery of HD video in the new CS3 version of Encore, which debuts in July with the release of Adobe CS3 Production Premium. Here?s a quick walkthrough of Blu-ray Disc workflow in Encore CS3.
Interesting to say the least. It seems everyone is jumping on the Blu-ray bandwagon. The question is, is HD DVD's days numbered?
Okay... I promised yesterday that I'd talk a little more about that HD-DVD meeting I had with Microsoft's Kevin Collins and Richard Doherty up at Universal on Wednesday morning. We started out with some discussion about HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc, and the format war in general. Each of us explained our positions, and there was some lively (but definitely enjoyable) debate. Their key point was that Microsoft's interest in HD-DVD has everything to do with HDi and the advanced interactive features it's capable of offering, some of which they wanted to show me. Richard and Kevin seem to feel that the home video industry can support two competing disc formats, in much the same way that the gaming industry supports three (Xbox, PS3 and Wii). As you can probably guess, I disagree with this. They also believe that if everything else about HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc were equal, that people would naturally chose HD-DVD because of the more advanced interactivity. The flaw in this argument, of course, is that aside from audio and video quality, things are NOT equal. It remains my belief that Blu-ray's greater studio and industry support has been, and will continue to be, the deal-breaker in this format war. Content is king, so the widest selection of movie titles and broadest studio support trumps interactive bells and whistles for us here at The Bits every time. Even if the number of titles currently available on each format is relatively equal at the moment, the lion's share of the titles on the HD-DVD side comes from just two studios - Universal and Warner (and Warner is releasing most of their titles on Blu-ray too)...
That ability to watch two versions of a film via Picture-in-Picture is what intrigued me most. I've since found myself wondering how cool it would be if, rather than just a PiP window, you could jump back and forth from one full 1080 version to another as if it were another angle on DVD. So image two separate full-bandwidth, 1080p video streams being available for the ENTIRE movie, that you could just pop back and forth from at will. One might have the final film, while the other could have raw footage, production art, storyboards, etc. That's something I don't believe HD-DVD or HDi can do. (I believe it WILL be possible in the future on Blu-ray - two full-bandwidth video streams overlaid is part of the BD-Java spec I think. If I'm wrong about that I'll correct the text here.) But I digress.
Ultimately, nothing that I saw really changed my opinion as to how this format war is going to play out and how it's likely to end. I will say, however, that I'm more intrigued now about the possibilities that advanced interactivity can offer. Blu-ray Disc can't do much of what HD-DVD can at the moment in terms of such interactivity. But if and when Blu-ray does start to catch up in this area, well... you get the idea. Ultimately, it remains to be seen how much people will value such Web-enabled features - particularly in the early adopter community that is currently driving most high-def sales. Do people really care that much about the ability to do things like share scene lists with their friends on the Net... or would they rather have movies from Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM, Lionsgate and now Starz? That's the $20,000 question. You know our answer, of course, but now it's your turn to weigh in with your dollars and your purchase decisions.
This is one of the problems with trying to jump on EVERY bit of information. You end up acting like old news is "new news"
Yes, I know Adobe has been a "member" of the BDA for quite some time, however the execution of such is what is "new news."
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job.
Wow... this news is about a week old and when I was reading it, I was for sure you'd post this.... then week later....... what took you so long?
BTW, just read what Billy's saying...... he does like to stretch and spin to be on the Sony payroll... you can tell he's way off being objective and he had obviously took the blue pill prior to the interview.
Yes, I know Adobe has been a "member" of the BDA for quite some time, however the execution of such is what is "new news."
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job.
That's not how your post sounded. Your post sounded like Adobe made a switch and hopped on board.
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Originally Posted by Marzetta7
Interesting to say the least. It seems everyone is jumping on the Blu-ray bandwagon. The question is, is HD DVD's days numbered?
How can Adobe jump on the Bandwagon when they were already there?
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Originally Posted by Marzetta7
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job
I'll be sure to tell the thousands of DVD Studio Pro 4 user currently burning HD DVD content in MPEG2 and AVC that they have no support for HD DVD.
DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 provides important bug fixes and addresses compatibility issues with DVD Studio Pro 4.1 HD DVD projects and Toshiba HD DVD players.
For the love of pete support your format of choice but please at least attempt to support the truth as well.
I don't think he's complaining about whether it becomes part of the BD spec. He's more angry about why HD DVD supporters keep calling this some kind of great feature and an advantage for that format. I have to agree with him that neither format really needs it.
That's not what I've heard or seen. You, apparently, have never sat down with an properly authored and feature-rich HD-DVD so experience their In-Movie-Experience.
It's not a gimmick.
I think a LOT of current Blu-Ray owners are going to be pissed when they discover that their hardware will not support these features when they debut next year.
Without better interactivity there's not much of a point of moving to HD
Last night I played Equilibrium on my Sharp upscaled to 1080i and it looked damn good.
If HD DVD and Blu-ray want to charge $27 a movie they better be working on some nice "wow" stuff regarding interactivity. Even if someone doesn't want or care for it ..it needs to be there at this pricing.
I may buy Blood Diamond just to test out the online featues on HD DVD
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has revealed an exciting offer for those of you who are still looking to pick up a Blu-ray player. If you purchase a Blu-ray player (including the PS3) between July 1st and September 30th, you will automatically qualify to receive 5 Blu-ray movies absolutely free. Combine this with existing offers (like the 5 free Blu-ray movies with purchase of a Panasonic DMP-BD10A), and you could receive up to 10 free Blu-ray movies with the purchase of a player.
But wait, there's more! If you decide you would like to purchase a PS3, Sony is offering a special deal through their retail Sony Style stores. Purchase a PS3, two games, and an extra controller from now until July 8th, and you will receive a $50 gift card.
Rebate information can be found at the following site:
You see, this is precisely the hypocrisy I don't get. When the HD-DVD side did this, you were first in line saying how it pointed to "desperation" within their camp.
You see, this is precisely the hypocrisy I don't get. When the HD-DVD side did this, you were first in line saying how it pointed to "desperation" within their camp.
As much of a Blu-Ray fanboy as I am, I have to agree.
DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 provides important bug fixes and addresses compatibility issues with DVD Studio Pro 4.1 HD DVD projects and Toshiba HD DVD players.
Does that mean it won't work with other brands of HD DVD players? Oh, wait. That's right. There aren't any others.
It is a sign of desperation. Neither format is getting the traction against DVD that they'd like.
Such promotions are needed on both formats for the time being. Neither format is competitive with SD-DVD. One of the biggest reason for having a low traction is because the limited available software being divided and becoming exclusive to one format is actually hurting both nextgen movie formats. I think only Warner and Paramount are on the right track being format neutral, but all the other format exclusive studios are the ones hurting the nextgen format the most. If all the studios were format neutral, I would assume that the both nextgen format, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray together, would become more competitive to SD-DVD's. Of course, siding with one hardware format over the other isn't an easy decision for many, but having to side with available movie titles within the limited selections is another dilemma that discourages many from adapting to nextgen movie format. Therefore, every attempt to ease the pain of early adoption helps.... they should provide 10 free movies instead for being an early adapter.... or being a beta tester for buying an hardware with incomplete specs.
Another thing that isn't helping is the poor demonstration of the technology. For instance, I've just now seen Blu-ray mentioned for the first time at my local Wal-Mart. (The only place to buy electronics here) It was on a tiny little 17-19" LCD panel over the PS3 display. There was a clip from "A Night's Tale" being played with a split screen showing DVD quality on one side and Blu-ray quality on the other. Guess what... I, a video professional with a broadcasting degree, couldn't see an appreciable difference. There's no way Joseph Shmoe would have.
I didn't check the panel specs, but I'm betting it was a standard-def LCD TV. Of course, even if it had shown an actual HD picture there are no Blu-ray titles on the shelves to buy and no players besides the PS3.
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Now, when would these 1st and 2nd gen model Blu-Ray players will have internet connectivity and BD-J profile 1.1/2.0 compliant? Probably..... never.
Never, since they don't have a second decoder and the right amount of memory.
And again: it's profile 1.1 - not BD-J profile 1.1
I do not set the specs for the BD-J profile 1.1/2.0. Go complain to those who did. If you're really interested to know why this and that..... try google.com.
I know I'd like the features...but I'm not sure if you would.
Wow, cut and paste reply. How... original.
And again: it's profile 1.1 - not BD-J profile 1.1
But, but, bitemymac knows everything. How could he possibly be wrong?
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/R...rticleID=12891
It appears the wait may be over, with software giant Adobe selecting Blu-ray as their format choice for delivery of HD video in the new CS3 version of Encore, which debuts in July with the release of Adobe CS3 Production Premium. Here?s a quick walkthrough of Blu-ray Disc workflow in Encore CS3.
Interesting to say the least. It seems everyone is jumping on the Blu-ray bandwagon. The question is, is HD DVD's days numbered?
Adobe Chooses Blu-ray?
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/R...rticleID=12891
Interesting to say the least. It seems everyone is jumping on the Blu-ray bandwagon. The question is, is HD DVD's days numbered?
Adobe has ALWAYS been in the Blu-ray camp
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_i...009/Index.html
Look under the "Members" list
This is one of the problems with trying to jump on EVERY bit of information. You end up acting like old news is "new news"
Okay... I promised yesterday that I'd talk a little more about that HD-DVD meeting I had with Microsoft's Kevin Collins and Richard Doherty up at Universal on Wednesday morning. We started out with some discussion about HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc, and the format war in general. Each of us explained our positions, and there was some lively (but definitely enjoyable) debate. Their key point was that Microsoft's interest in HD-DVD has everything to do with HDi and the advanced interactive features it's capable of offering, some of which they wanted to show me. Richard and Kevin seem to feel that the home video industry can support two competing disc formats, in much the same way that the gaming industry supports three (Xbox, PS3 and Wii). As you can probably guess, I disagree with this. They also believe that if everything else about HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc were equal, that people would naturally chose HD-DVD because of the more advanced interactivity. The flaw in this argument, of course, is that aside from audio and video quality, things are NOT equal. It remains my belief that Blu-ray's greater studio and industry support has been, and will continue to be, the deal-breaker in this format war. Content is king, so the widest selection of movie titles and broadest studio support trumps interactive bells and whistles for us here at The Bits every time. Even if the number of titles currently available on each format is relatively equal at the moment, the lion's share of the titles on the HD-DVD side comes from just two studios - Universal and Warner (and Warner is releasing most of their titles on Blu-ray too)...
That ability to watch two versions of a film via Picture-in-Picture is what intrigued me most. I've since found myself wondering how cool it would be if, rather than just a PiP window, you could jump back and forth from one full 1080 version to another as if it were another angle on DVD. So image two separate full-bandwidth, 1080p video streams being available for the ENTIRE movie, that you could just pop back and forth from at will. One might have the final film, while the other could have raw footage, production art, storyboards, etc. That's something I don't believe HD-DVD or HDi can do. (I believe it WILL be possible in the future on Blu-ray - two full-bandwidth video streams overlaid is part of the BD-Java spec I think. If I'm wrong about that I'll correct the text here.) But I digress.
Ultimately, nothing that I saw really changed my opinion as to how this format war is going to play out and how it's likely to end. I will say, however, that I'm more intrigued now about the possibilities that advanced interactivity can offer. Blu-ray Disc can't do much of what HD-DVD can at the moment in terms of such interactivity. But if and when Blu-ray does start to catch up in this area, well... you get the idea. Ultimately, it remains to be seen how much people will value such Web-enabled features - particularly in the early adopter community that is currently driving most high-def sales. Do people really care that much about the ability to do things like share scene lists with their friends on the Net... or would they rather have movies from Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM, Lionsgate and now Starz? That's the $20,000 question. You know our answer, of course, but now it's your turn to weigh in with your dollars and your purchase decisions.
Adobe has ALWAYS been in the Blu-ray camp
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_i...009/Index.html
Look under the "Members" list
This is one of the problems with trying to jump on EVERY bit of information. You end up acting like old news is "new news"
Yes, I know Adobe has been a "member" of the BDA for quite some time, however the execution of such is what is "new news."
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job.
Bill Hunt's meeting with Microsoft execs...
Wow... this news is about a week old and when I was reading it, I was for sure you'd post this.... then week later....... what took you so long?
BTW, just read what Billy's saying...... he does like to stretch and spin to be on the Sony payroll... you can tell he's way off being objective and he had obviously took the blue pill prior to the interview.
Yes, I know Adobe has been a "member" of the BDA for quite some time, however the execution of such is what is "new news."
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job.
That's not how your post sounded. Your post sounded like Adobe made a switch and hopped on board.
Interesting to say the least. It seems everyone is jumping on the Blu-ray bandwagon. The question is, is HD DVD's days numbered?
How can Adobe jump on the Bandwagon when they were already there?
By your logic, Apple is in the bag for Blu-ray as well, with no HD DVD support--since their on the board of directors and not just a measley member. Thanks for finally recognizing this though. Good job
I'll be sure to tell the thousands of DVD Studio Pro 4 user currently burning HD DVD content in MPEG2 and AVC that they have no support for HD DVD.
Why do you keep perpetuating the same lie?
DVD Studio Pro 4 can burn HD content to a DVD-R disc for playback in a Toshiba HD DVD player.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...diopro412.html
What?s New in this Version
DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 provides important bug fixes and addresses compatibility issues with DVD Studio Pro 4.1 HD DVD projects and Toshiba HD DVD players.
For the love of pete support your format of choice but please at least attempt to support the truth as well.
I don't think he's complaining about whether it becomes part of the BD spec. He's more angry about why HD DVD supporters keep calling this some kind of great feature and an advantage for that format. I have to agree with him that neither format really needs it.
That's not what I've heard or seen. You, apparently, have never sat down with an properly authored and feature-rich HD-DVD so experience their In-Movie-Experience.
It's not a gimmick.
I think a LOT of current Blu-Ray owners are going to be pissed when they discover that their hardware will not support these features when they debut next year.
Last night I played Equilibrium on my Sharp upscaled to 1080i and it looked damn good.
If HD DVD and Blu-ray want to charge $27 a movie they better be working on some nice "wow" stuff regarding interactivity. Even if someone doesn't want or care for it ..it needs to be there at this pricing.
I may buy Blood Diamond just to test out the online featues on HD DVD
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=280
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has revealed an exciting offer for those of you who are still looking to pick up a Blu-ray player. If you purchase a Blu-ray player (including the PS3) between July 1st and September 30th, you will automatically qualify to receive 5 Blu-ray movies absolutely free. Combine this with existing offers (like the 5 free Blu-ray movies with purchase of a Panasonic DMP-BD10A), and you could receive up to 10 free Blu-ray movies with the purchase of a player.
But wait, there's more! If you decide you would like to purchase a PS3, Sony is offering a special deal through their retail Sony Style stores. Purchase a PS3, two games, and an extra controller from now until July 8th, and you will receive a $50 gift card.
Rebate information can be found at the following site:
www.bluraysavings.com
The site isn't up yet, but expect it to go live when the deal starts this weekend.
Hmmm, can you say, sales spike!
Five Free Blu-ray Movies with Purchase of Player
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=280
Hmmm, can you say, sales spike!
You see, this is precisely the hypocrisy I don't get. When the HD-DVD side did this, you were first in line saying how it pointed to "desperation" within their camp.
You see, this is precisely the hypocrisy I don't get. When the HD-DVD side did this, you were first in line saying how it pointed to "desperation" within their camp.
As much of a Blu-Ray fanboy as I am, I have to agree.
DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 provides important bug fixes and addresses compatibility issues with DVD Studio Pro 4.1 HD DVD projects and Toshiba HD DVD players.
Does that mean it won't work with other brands of HD DVD players? Oh, wait. That's right. There aren't any others.
It is a sign of desperation. Neither format is getting the traction against DVD that they'd like.
Such promotions are needed on both formats for the time being. Neither format is competitive with SD-DVD. One of the biggest reason for having a low traction is because the limited available software being divided and becoming exclusive to one format is actually hurting both nextgen movie formats. I think only Warner and Paramount are on the right track being format neutral, but all the other format exclusive studios are the ones hurting the nextgen format the most. If all the studios were format neutral, I would assume that the both nextgen format, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray together, would become more competitive to SD-DVD's. Of course, siding with one hardware format over the other isn't an easy decision for many, but having to side with available movie titles within the limited selections is another dilemma that discourages many from adapting to nextgen movie format. Therefore, every attempt to ease the pain of early adoption helps.... they should provide 10 free movies instead for being an early adapter.... or being a beta tester for buying an hardware with incomplete specs.
I didn't check the panel specs, but I'm betting it was a standard-def LCD TV. Of course, even if it had shown an actual HD picture there are no Blu-ray titles on the shelves to buy and no players besides the PS3.
Without better interactivity there's not much of a point of moving to HD
Perhaps not for someone watching movies on a 32" or 37" TV.