The new Samsung Duo/Combo player fully complies with HD-DVD HDi interactivity including internet interactivity, which means that it should fully comply to BD profile 2.0.
No it does not automatically mean that. Putting an ethernet port on the player doesn't automatically make it work from a BD-Live point of view. Furthermore BD-Live also requires 1GB of persistent memory.
AFAIK BD-Live won't be a mandatory requirement for players - only optional.
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Shhh. Let Murch have his little pipe dreams. If all he's got is the Amazon sales ranks, that's fine. It's really kind of cute watching him do the denial paddle in his delusion pool.
Good find...but I'm sure HD DVD proponents will try to play the irrelevance card...I wonder if they'll try and play it when CC or Bestbuy do the same thing.
Optimum Home Entertainment has announced that they will be releasing 'Wolf Creek', 'Pan's Labyrinth', and 'The Host' for Blu-ray on November 12th in the UK. Previously, Optimum only supported HD DVD, but with their recent Blu-ray announcements, it's clear that they recognize the markets are turning in Blu-ray's favor. No specs were announced at this time.
An interesting side note: Optimum is owned by StudioCanal, who releases on HD DVD in Europe. Could they be next to turn?
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Yes because the Top 10 never means anything. Hell let's not choose the Top 10 in anything. Let's focus on the the Top 25-50 because that's "obviously" a more important metric than what's moving the most (Top 10). You guys act like you're somehow different than I am and that you don't highlight when Blu-ray is doing well.
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Originally Posted by gloss
Shhh. Let Murch have his little pipe dreams. If all he's got is the Amazon sales ranks, that's fine. It's really kind of cute watching him do the denial paddle in his delusion pool.
Delusion about what? I know the stakes involved as well as anyone. If I'm off base then plenty of people would be swooping in and ripping my post to shreds.
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Originally Posted by marzetta7
Good find...but I'm sure HD DVD proponents will try to play the irrelevance card...I wonder if they'll try and play it when CC or Bestbuy do the same thing.
I don't even live even within 1000 miles of a BJ. I've never heard of them until today. Those that do live near them say people shop there for food..not electronics. I'm not saying its irrelevant but let's "weigh" things here a bit more logically.
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Who said that the little voice in your head? A BD25 disc is right around the same price to manufacture as a HD30 disc. Don't make strawman arguments...make your point without the fabrication. Studio neutrality is something I've championed all over so I know I didn't say that.
Wow, if that's not a$$ thumping to HD DVD, I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how August plays out with good news expected from Fox and hopefully more exclusive retail announcements.
No it does not automatically mean that. Putting an ethernet port on the player doesn't automatically make it work from a BD-Live point of view. Furthermore BD-Live also requires 1GB of persistent memory.
AFAIK BD-Live won't be a mandatory requirement for players - only optional.
You're right, having ethernet port on the player does not automatically make it comply to Profile 2.0, but not having it makes it automatically not comply to profile 2.0 like the Denon BD Player. However, having it fully compliant with HD-DVD interactivity does make it fully comply to profile 2.0 (BD-Live) as a hardware (yes, even the first gen HD-DVD players have 1GB of persistent storage due to mandatory requirement since the begining).
Of course, the interactivity features also require solftware being ready which HD-DVD can already perform such features with the few newly releasing titles like "300", not being the first. Well, for Blu-Ray, even with such compliants it will not have any software to test on. Having said that, I guess it really doesn't matter for Blu-Ray right now because the hardware compliance means nothing without fully complied software releases, which is none existing for both profile 1.1 or 2.0 on Blu-Ray list.
Shop somewhere else?... Like Walmart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, and etc..... for $199 HD-DVD player......
Yeah, like most people even know what HD DVD is. Your precious J6P is more like to go, "What's this HD DVD stuff." You need to get an HD DVD player, it won't work on a DVD player. "Where are the players?" We don't sell them.
You can guess what happens from there.
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I don't think $499 BD Player will be a big hit at Target, even during the Holidays.
Apparently Target's management team thinks so. We'll see in a few months if you're smarter than they are.
All, just to recap all of the wonderful news (the dominoes are surely falling) for the week of July 22-28...
Wow, if that's not a$$ thumping to HD DVD, I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how August plays out with good news expected from Fox and hopefully more exclusive retail announcements.
If Target is selling Blu-ray players "Exclusively" then why can HD DVD Xbox drives still be purchased as well as HD DVD movies?
I don't even live even within 1000 miles of a BJ. I've never heard of them until today. Those that do live near them say people shop there for food..not electronics. I'm not saying its irrelevant but let's "weigh" things here a bit more logically.
Its similar to a Sam's Club or Costco... same thing, so many people buy electronics there too, obviously not as much as a BB or CC, but nonetheless its one more nail in the coffin.
Bite and murch, I don't think a $199 HD-DVD player really means that much. If the HD formats were a consumer product, then yes, but they're not--J6P's are ignoring then as if they were poison. Right now the people who are into HD formats are either video enthusiasts or a group of consumers on the higher end of the yearly income scale who for lack of a better name let's call prosumers. While a $199 player might appeal to someone who wants to prolong the format war and go neutral, prosumers look at other things besides price, for example studio support and titles available, areas where HD-DVD is weak, before making their choice of format.
Who said that the little voice in your head? A BD25 disc is right around the same price to manufacture as a HD30 disc. Don't make strawman arguments...make your point without the fabrication. Studio neutrality is something I've championed all over so I know I didn't say that.
That little voice is hmurchison...get 'em out of my mind!
Much like I showed you how your stance on interactive features flip flopped with evidence provided earlier, here, too, is evidence in showing what you said in regards to smaller studios and replication costs...
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
Quote:Originally posted by onlooker
I wonder how much it costs to press an HD-DVD?
A lot more. Guy over on AVS said his own personal quote as $50k for Blu Ray and like a tenth of that for HD DVD for a small run. If you're not a big studio you're not going to get subsidized and then you will feel the effects of the higher costs.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
Expect more "defections" as studios realize that Blu Ray is too damn expensive with HD-DVD providing the same quality.
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Originally Posted by humurchison
The cost to the consumer may be the same but this is with a subsidy from Sony for major studios. My point will become explictly clear when Discmakers or some other company begins to offer HD DVD and Blu-Ray replication. It is there when small studios are shelling out for discs that you will see the price chasm between HD DVD and Blu-Ray.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
kupan787
Thats a good question. I imagine this scenario for Universal Players.
Smaller Studios would go HD DVD to save on production costs.
Larger studios with long running titles would choose DL BD-ROM
Fabrication? We have Universal players out now, but do we see the smaller studios defecting or going HD DVD? Nay. With as much flip flopping you've been doing the last couple of weeks, you're making John Kerry look like he's sitting still.
Bite and murch, I don't think a $199 HD-DVD player really means that much. If the HD formats were a consumer product, then yes, but they're not--J6P's are ignoring then as if they were poison. Right now the people who are into HD formats are either video enthusiasts or a group of consumers on the higher end of the yearly income scale who for lack of a better name let's call prosumers. While a $199 player might appeal to someone who wants to prolong the format war and go neutral, prosumers look at other things besides price, for example studio support and titles available, areas where HD-DVD is weak, before making their choice of format.
Let's say, if most of the HDTV owners are prosumers(which is not), and they're looking for HD contents or something close like upcoverting DVD players. You have to understand that $199 HD-DVD player is a great upconverting SD-DVD player as well which contends well as standalone upconversion SD-DVD player at $199 pricing. HD-DVD playback with fully compatible IME interactivity is free for those who cares to use the features upon purchase of enabled software. The $199 HD-A2 in Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, Costco, Walmart is a lot better bait/lure to prosumers than $499 BD player at Target. And that means a lot for HiDef market as a whole.
OldCodger73, are being tempted by $199 pricing, too?
Let's say, if most of the HDTV owners are prosumers(which is not), and they're looking for HD contents or something close like upcoverting DVD players. You have to understand that $199 HD-DVD player is a great upconverting SD-DVD player as well which contends well as standalone upconversion SD-DVD player at $199 pricing. HD-DVD playback with fully compatible IME interactivity is free for those who cares to use the features upon purchase of enabled software. The $199 HD-A2 in Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, Costco, Walmart is a lot better bait/lure to prosumers than $499 BD player at Target. And that means a lot for HiDef market as a whole.
OldCodger73, are being tempted by $199 pricing, too?
That's lure enough for most...plainly seeing how the market is going and not wasting $200 on HD DVD. Beautiful icing on the cake to a great week for Blu ain't it?
here, too, is evidence in showing what you said in regards to smaller studios and replication costs...
Fabrication? We have Universal players out now, but do we see the smaller studios defecting or going HD DVD? Nay. With as much flip flopping you've been doing the last couple of weeks, you're making John Kerry look like he's sitting still.
Here's what YOU said
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Originally Posted by Marzetta7
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Here's what I said.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hmurchison
Thats a good question. I imagine this scenario for Universal Players.
Smaller Studios would go HD DVD to save on production costs.
Larger studios with long running titles would choose DL BD-ROM
In my scenario I "never" said that studios would never go Blu-ray. You said that. I said the lower product costs for HD DVD could come to bear and be an advantage and this is bore out in deals like the Amazon/Customflix deal.
That's lure enough for most...plainly seeing how the market is going and not wasting $200 on HD DVD. Beautiful icing on the cake to a great week for Blu ain't it?
Comments
http://www.cybereality.com/images/hddvd_creeping_up.jpg
Thanks to Cybereality for the pic
Sorry, but this is just 6 days of data. Am I missing something here?
The new Samsung Duo/Combo player fully complies with HD-DVD HDi interactivity including internet interactivity, which means that it should fully comply to BD profile 2.0.
No it does not automatically mean that. Putting an ethernet port on the player doesn't automatically make it work from a BD-Live point of view. Furthermore BD-Live also requires 1GB of persistent memory.
AFAIK BD-Live won't be a mandatory requirement for players - only optional.
Thanks to Cybereality for the pic
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Shhh. Let Murch have his little pipe dreams. If all he's got is the Amazon sales ranks, that's fine. It's really kind of cute watching him do the denial paddle in his delusion pool.
Thanks to Cybereality for the pic
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6463556.html
More good news
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6463556.html
More good news
Good find...but I'm sure HD DVD proponents will try to play the irrelevance card...I wonder if they'll try and play it when CC or Bestbuy do the same thing.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=358
Optimum Home Entertainment has announced that they will be releasing 'Wolf Creek', 'Pan's Labyrinth', and 'The Host' for Blu-ray on November 12th in the UK. Previously, Optimum only supported HD DVD, but with their recent Blu-ray announcements, it's clear that they recognize the markets are turning in Blu-ray's favor. No specs were announced at this time.
An interesting side note: Optimum is owned by StudioCanal, who releases on HD DVD in Europe. Could they be next to turn?
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Why don't you post the graphs for Top 25 and Top 100?
Perhaps we should play your ranking game and conclude that since the current Top 100 rating is 1972:4256 there are 2.16 BD movies sold for every HD DVD movie.
Yes because the Top 10 never means anything. Hell let's not choose the Top 10 in anything. Let's focus on the the Top 25-50 because that's "obviously" a more important metric than what's moving the most (Top 10). You guys act like you're somehow different than I am and that you don't highlight when Blu-ray is doing well.
Shhh. Let Murch have his little pipe dreams. If all he's got is the Amazon sales ranks, that's fine. It's really kind of cute watching him do the denial paddle in his delusion pool.
Delusion about what? I know the stakes involved as well as anyone. If I'm off base then plenty of people would be swooping in and ripping my post to shreds.
Good find...but I'm sure HD DVD proponents will try to play the irrelevance card...I wonder if they'll try and play it when CC or Bestbuy do the same thing.
I don't even live even within 1000 miles of a BJ. I've never heard of them until today. Those that do live near them say people shop there for food..not electronics. I'm not saying its irrelevant but let's "weigh" things here a bit more logically.
Optimum Announces Blu-ray Support
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=358
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Who said that the little voice in your head? A BD25 disc is right around the same price to manufacture as a HD30 disc. Don't make strawman arguments...make your point without the fabrication. Studio neutrality is something I've championed all over so I know I didn't say that.
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Tartan Update and US Release
Razor Digital Exclusively Blu-ray
Questar Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
Bram Stoker's Dracula Announced
Denon Debuts New Blu-ray Player
Samsung Dates/Prices Three New Players
MGM Is Back with Jeepers Creepers 2
Target to Sell Blu-ray Players Exclusively
Close Encounters of the Third Kind Revealed (First Speilberg Movie on high-def on Blu-ray)
Pirates 3 Announced for Blu-ray
Woolworths go Blu-ray exclusive. Drop HD-DVD. (Unofficial)
BJ's Wholesale Club Stores to Carry Blu-ray Exclusively
Optimum Announces Blu-ray Support
Wow, if that's not a$$ thumping to HD DVD, I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how August plays out with good news expected from Fox and hopefully more exclusive retail announcements.
No it does not automatically mean that. Putting an ethernet port on the player doesn't automatically make it work from a BD-Live point of view. Furthermore BD-Live also requires 1GB of persistent memory.
AFAIK BD-Live won't be a mandatory requirement for players - only optional.
You're right, having ethernet port on the player does not automatically make it comply to Profile 2.0, but not having it makes it automatically not comply to profile 2.0 like the Denon BD Player. However, having it fully compliant with HD-DVD interactivity does make it fully comply to profile 2.0 (BD-Live) as a hardware (yes, even the first gen HD-DVD players have 1GB of persistent storage due to mandatory requirement since the begining).
Of course, the interactivity features also require solftware being ready which HD-DVD can already perform such features with the few newly releasing titles like "300", not being the first. Well, for Blu-Ray, even with such compliants it will not have any software to test on. Having said that, I guess it really doesn't matter for Blu-Ray right now because the hardware compliance means nothing without fully complied software releases, which is none existing for both profile 1.1 or 2.0 on Blu-Ray list.
Shop somewhere else?... Like Walmart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, and etc..... for $199 HD-DVD player......
Yeah, like most people even know what HD DVD is. Your precious J6P is more like to go, "What's this HD DVD stuff." You need to get an HD DVD player, it won't work on a DVD player. "Where are the players?" We don't sell them.
You can guess what happens from there.
I don't think $499 BD Player will be a big hit at Target, even during the Holidays.
Apparently Target's management team thinks so. We'll see in a few months if you're smarter than they are.
All, just to recap all of the wonderful news (the dominoes are surely falling) for the week of July 22-28...
Wow, if that's not a$$ thumping to HD DVD, I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how August plays out with good news expected from Fox and hopefully more exclusive retail announcements.
If Target is selling Blu-ray players "Exclusively" then why can HD DVD Xbox drives still be purchased as well as HD DVD movies?
How's your Blu-ray player working so far?
I don't even live even within 1000 miles of a BJ. I've never heard of them until today. Those that do live near them say people shop there for food..not electronics. I'm not saying its irrelevant but let's "weigh" things here a bit more logically.
Its similar to a Sam's Club or Costco... same thing, so many people buy electronics there too, obviously not as much as a BB or CC, but nonetheless its one more nail in the coffin.
Who said that the little voice in your head? A BD25 disc is right around the same price to manufacture as a HD30 disc. Don't make strawman arguments...make your point without the fabrication. Studio neutrality is something I've championed all over so I know I didn't say that.
That little voice is hmurchison...get 'em out of my mind!
Much like I showed you how your stance on interactive features flip flopped with evidence provided earlier, here, too, is evidence in showing what you said in regards to smaller studios and replication costs...
Quote:Originally posted by onlooker
I wonder how much it costs to press an HD-DVD?
A lot more. Guy over on AVS said his own personal quote as $50k for Blu Ray and like a tenth of that for HD DVD for a small run. If you're not a big studio you're not going to get subsidized and then you will feel the effects of the higher costs.
Expect more "defections" as studios realize that Blu Ray is too damn expensive with HD-DVD providing the same quality.
The cost to the consumer may be the same but this is with a subsidy from Sony for major studios. My point will become explictly clear when Discmakers or some other company begins to offer HD DVD and Blu-Ray replication. It is there when small studios are shelling out for discs that you will see the price chasm between HD DVD and Blu-Ray.
kupan787
Thats a good question. I imagine this scenario for Universal Players.
Smaller Studios would go HD DVD to save on production costs.
Larger studios with long running titles would choose DL BD-ROM
Fabrication? We have Universal players out now, but do we see the smaller studios defecting or going HD DVD? Nay. With as much flip flopping you've been doing the last couple of weeks, you're making John Kerry look like he's sitting still.
Bite and murch, I don't think a $199 HD-DVD player really means that much. If the HD formats were a consumer product, then yes, but they're not--J6P's are ignoring then as if they were poison. Right now the people who are into HD formats are either video enthusiasts or a group of consumers on the higher end of the yearly income scale who for lack of a better name let's call prosumers. While a $199 player might appeal to someone who wants to prolong the format war and go neutral, prosumers look at other things besides price, for example studio support and titles available, areas where HD-DVD is weak, before making their choice of format.
Let's say, if most of the HDTV owners are prosumers(which is not), and they're looking for HD contents or something close like upcoverting DVD players. You have to understand that $199 HD-DVD player is a great upconverting SD-DVD player as well which contends well as standalone upconversion SD-DVD player at $199 pricing. HD-DVD playback with fully compatible IME interactivity is free for those who cares to use the features upon purchase of enabled software. The $199 HD-A2 in Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, Costco, Walmart is a lot better bait/lure to prosumers than $499 BD player at Target. And that means a lot for HiDef market as a whole.
OldCodger73, are being tempted by $199 pricing, too?
Let's say, if most of the HDTV owners are prosumers(which is not), and they're looking for HD contents or something close like upcoverting DVD players. You have to understand that $199 HD-DVD player is a great upconverting SD-DVD player as well which contends well as standalone upconversion SD-DVD player at $199 pricing. HD-DVD playback with fully compatible IME interactivity is free for those who cares to use the features upon purchase of enabled software. The $199 HD-A2 in Bestbuy, Circuit City, Fry's, Costco, Walmart is a lot better bait/lure to prosumers than $499 BD player at Target. And that means a lot for HiDef market as a whole.
OldCodger73, are being tempted by $199 pricing, too?
Speaking of lure...
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 22nd
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2907/index.php
WE: BD-74% HDD-26% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
That's lure enough for most...plainly seeing how the market is going and not wasting $200 on HD DVD. Beautiful icing on the cake to a great week for Blu ain't it?
here, too, is evidence in showing what you said in regards to smaller studios and replication costs...
Fabrication? We have Universal players out now, but do we see the smaller studios defecting or going HD DVD? Nay. With as much flip flopping you've been doing the last couple of weeks, you're making John Kerry look like he's sitting still.
Here's what YOU said
Another day, another studio goes Blu-ray. I thought all the smaller studios were never going to go Blu-ray due to the disc replication and authoring costs? Yet another HD DVD proponent argument tanking and having no merit.
Here's what I said.
Thats a good question. I imagine this scenario for Universal Players.
Smaller Studios would go HD DVD to save on production costs.
Larger studios with long running titles would choose DL BD-ROM
In my scenario I "never" said that studios would never go Blu-ray. You said that. I said the lower product costs for HD DVD could come to bear and be an advantage and this is bore out in deals like the Amazon/Customflix deal.
I know what "sounds like me" and what doesn't.
Speaking of lure...
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending July 22nd
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2907/index.php
WE: BD-74% HDD-26% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
That's lure enough for most...plainly seeing how the market is going and not wasting $200 on HD DVD. Beautiful icing on the cake to a great week for Blu ain't it?
Yeah how's your player doing?