Quote on that one? I also find it hard to believe when http://www.vgchartz.com/ puts the PS3 at 3.89 million. From their site:
6 million is a pipe dream right now for Sony, and if anything it is a manufacured number...which means next to nothing if they are sitting on shelfs or in warehouses.
I totally agree, its likely the number they have SHIPPED, but then its not so long since micky soft was pumping the same figure, and THAT was realy the SHIPPED numbers they were talking about as well.
as to where I read it?? I honestly cant remember, its been a long few days and I'm not about to go searching but (for the pedantic in the audience) I was throwing it out there and questioning it's validity myself.
I have the impression that unless you output sound using HDCP along with the video, you aren't getting surround sound, and only ATi R600 parts will do that currently.
Laptops lag behind in every one of these hardware features, as always. The newest MBP should be alright, except possibly sound?
No software support in OS X yet, no support for Linux in sight.
All things considered, it's not exactly rosy for a random computer user who wants to move in high def, and the desired result is rarely attainable by merely buying a drive plus player software.
That is a sad truth about Mac fans in HTPC hobbies. Only means of having the HiDef software support right now is to bootcamp to Windows or just using the windows box. I have not fully test PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra, but it claims to support TrueHD & DTS-MA, so it probably decodes via software and output as either multi-channel PCM via HDMI or DTS/DD via SPDIF. Therefore, audio isn't much of a problem for all Mac-Intel MBP.
The HDCP and HiDef media disc playback is still new. It recently became somewhat reliable, but still has many bugs to fix including implementation of HDCP. I've played around with 720p divx file on powerDVD via VGA port and had no issue with downrez in absence of HDCP. It played fine via DVI, but both video card and the display are HDCP compliant, so that is as expected. The HiDef HTPC is still evolving and we'll see many changes along the way. I am not much keen about HDCP as it is frequently causing problems with handshake in the CE space, and will probably see similar issues in the HTPC as well.
As for a game console I'm thinking that Xbox 360 love with Halo 3 is going to be teh win this Xmas.
What is it with you americans and the 360?
Aside from that and in all good faith, have you actually looked into some of the upcomming stuff for the PS3 murch? MGS in october(?){edited to add march 08, my bad I didnt look that up sorry} GTA also in october, HAZE and KILLZONE look stunning, not to mention that LittleBigPlanet seems to something one could get lost in for weeks and not forgetting Uncharted.
I'm REALLY gonna have to sort out some free time
There were a few truely great games on the PS2 IMO but this time round I'm really excited by whats coming down the pipe for the PS3.
Apart from the release of the games, the above is just honest opinion.
What Sony sold = what retailers bought != what retailers sold
Really? I didn't realize that when I said:
Quote:
and if anything it is a manufacured number...which means next to nothing if they are sitting on shelfs or in warehouses.
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my definition of "manufactured". I didn?t mean a made up number (a manufactured statistic), but rather total number of PS3s built. But who cares how many retailers have bought. What matters to the Studios (movie and game), and pretty much everyone in this thread, is the "what retailers sold" number...which puts the PS3 in the 3.8 million range, not 6 million range?quite a big difference.
But the good news is, perhaps we are all lucky Blu-ray is strong-arming the industry from behind the scenes.
Good news? How is a company "strong-arming the industry from behind" good for consumers? I'd rather let this play out in the consumer space, rather than lots of secret back door dealings, payoffs, etc. Even if HD DVD dies out in the next 6-12 months, it will have at least done one thing, and that is bring down prices. Competition is almost always a good thing.
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
Good news? How is a company "strong-arming the industry from behind" good for consumers? I'd rather let this play out in the consumer space, rather than lots of secret back door dealings, payoffs, etc. Even if HD DVD dies out in the next 6-12 months, it will have at least done one thing, and that is bring down prices. Competition is almost always a good thing.
erm.. its an opinion, its written in a "journal" so likely from a "journalist" or someone trying to be, so therfore good odds on it being open to interpretation at best, or made up at worst.
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
No probs man just sharing my "stokedness" if such a word exists? (nope it doesn't) If you were gonna get a BD player at some point anyway.. blah blah blah two birds with one stone blah blah blah. etc. but your already sold so..
{slightly of topic}
ooohhh carful with the childish thing {checks murchs post count} oh yeah you should be alright, the post count pedants won't believe you are childish with a count of 8 gazzillion
ooohhh carful with the childish thing {checks murchs post count} oh yeah you should be alright, the post count pedants won't believe you are childish with a count of 8 gazzillion
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
I actually have some respect for you now, lol jk. I play online all the time. My gamertag is Premier301 if you want to play sometime.
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
You know it doesn't matter when I check the forums, you're ALWAYS on and responding to everything anybody writes.
That is a sad truth about Mac fans in HTPC hobbies. Only means of having the HiDef software support right now is to bootcamp to Windows or just using the windows box. I have not fully test PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra, but it claims to support TrueHD & DTS-MA, so it probably decodes via software and output as either multi-channel PCM via HDMI or DTS/DD via SPDIF. Therefore, audio isn't much of a problem for all Mac-Intel MBP.
Arrrgh! I'm trying to surf and find out what exact components you need to be able put out full multi-channel PCM HDCP protected sound via HDMI, but I just cannot find that information.
As far as I can tell, the AACS spec does not allow original quality sound over SPDIF under any circumstances, since it's a digital connection and not DRM protected. Whether you get downgrading of some sort, or just get silence, I don't know. In any case you must have HDMI to get full quality.
And then I have no idea what computer sound solutions support HDCP. Most do not! The Geforce 8800, for instance, gets its sound through an external connector which means the sound output is not qualified for protected content even if it comes out through HDMI. The ATi R600, while supporting real HDCP audio, doesn't support the full range offered by blue laser discs which is up to 8-channel.
I have a feeling the situation will best fix itself by the graphics card manufacturers putting in full HDCP audio functionality. It shouldn't need a lot of hardware to just pass through the data from an optical disc and let the external reciever worry about it. But will there need to be additional tamperproofing to protect the unencrypted signal traveling on the motherboard buses...?
Quote:
The HDCP and HiDef media disc playback is still new. It recently became somewhat reliable, but still has many bugs to fix including implementation of HDCP. I've played around with 720p divx file on powerDVD via VGA port and had no issue with downrez in absence of HDCP. It played fine via DVI, but both video card and the display are HDCP compliant, so that is as expected. The HiDef HTPC is still evolving and we'll see many changes along the way. I am not much keen about HDCP as it is frequently causing problems with handshake in the CE space, and will probably see similar issues in the HTPC as well.
If it only were an implementation issue, but it's design. They can build systems that are actually compatible with all the demands of the standards, but the design of the standard dictates that the devices be hard and costly to manufacture. If I can't tell what I should buy right this instant to get compatibility, then 95% of consumers can't.
You can't test if the system works or not unless the media you're running is AACS protected with every restriction flags set that the blue laser disc standards include. If you're successful viewing stuff like that, then your system works. Which is not to say some part of it, like PowerDVD, isn't so insecure that its ability to play content will be retroactively revoked. \
Arrrgh! I'm trying to surf and find out what exact components you need to be able put out full multi-channel PCM HDCP protected sound via HDMI, but I just cannot find that information.
As far as I can tell, the AACS spec does not allow original quality sound over SPDIF under any circumstances, since it's a digital connection and not DRM protected. Whether you get downgrading of some sort, or just get silence, I don't know. In any case you must have HDMI to get full quality.
And then I have no idea what computer sound solutions support HDCP. Most do not! The Geforce 8800, for instance, gets its sound through an external connector which means the sound output is not qualified for protected content even if it comes out through HDMI. The ATi R600, while supporting real HDCP audio, doesn't support the full range offered by blue laser discs which is up to 8-channel.
I have a feeling the situation will best fix itself by the graphics card manufacturers putting in full HDCP audio functionality. It shouldn't need a lot of hardware to just pass through the data from an optical disc and let the external reciever worry about it. But will there need to be additional tamperproofing to protect the unencrypted signal traveling on the motherboard buses...? If it only were an implementation issue, but it's design. They can build systems that are actually compatible with all the demands of the standards, but the design of the standard dictates that the devices be hard and costly to manufacture. If I can't tell what I should buy right this instant to get compatibility, then 95% of consumers can't.
You can't test if the system works or not unless the media you're running is AACS protected with every restriction flags set that the blue laser disc standards include. If you're successful viewing stuff like that, then your system works. Which is not to say some part of it, like PowerDVD, isn't so insecure that its ability to play content will be retroactively revoked. \
I don't believe any of the HDMI equipped GPU comply to 1.3 HDMI spec and until they do, you will not get the full vido and audio(5.1+) bandwidth via HDMI.
here's some info from cyberlink PowerDVD ultra of it's audio capabilities:
I'm using bitstream via SPDIF to 5.1 only and it works fine, but more than 5.1 channels may require a separate/advanced sound card for now. Of course, full spec 1.3 HDMI GPU can also fix this when available, especially when the software allows bitstream audio transfer of HiDef audio directly to your AVR.
BTW, I've never heard of HDCP being applied to audio, but if it's high bandwidth digital audio then maybe?... Most of the time, it applies to protection of high bandwidth digital video signal being output onto the secured display.....
Also.... doesn't AACS more related with source media and it's authorized content copy to another media like HDD than the ability to play back on HDCP chained system?
I'm still learning as I go, but the current set up is pretty simple if you have the capable PC with a software like PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra. All you need is drop in the drive and pop in the disc and play it.
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
Had an 8 year old and his mother staying here for a number of days recently and the DS is THE thing to get! his younger cousin popped in for a while (5) and they just went on and on about it.. I got mega cool points for owning one as well, and then getting them online for some mario kart head to head racing, appart from the laughing (when they were winning) or the shouts of "Nooooo" when they wernt, it kept them pretty quiet
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Vinea
Quote on that one? I also find it hard to believe when http://www.vgchartz.com/ puts the PS3 at 3.89 million. From their site:
6 million is a pipe dream right now for Sony, and if anything it is a manufacured number...which means next to nothing if they are sitting on shelfs or in warehouses.
I totally agree, its likely the number they have SHIPPED, but then its not so long since micky soft was pumping the same figure, and THAT was realy the SHIPPED numbers they were talking about as well.
as to where I read it?? I honestly cant remember, its been a long few days and I'm not about to go searching
I have the impression that unless you output sound using HDCP along with the video, you aren't getting surround sound, and only ATi R600 parts will do that currently.
Laptops lag behind in every one of these hardware features, as always. The newest MBP should be alright, except possibly sound?
No software support in OS X yet, no support for Linux in sight.
All things considered, it's not exactly rosy for a random computer user who wants to move in high def, and the desired result is rarely attainable by merely buying a drive plus player software.
That is a sad truth about Mac fans in HTPC hobbies. Only means of having the HiDef software support right now is to bootcamp to Windows or just using the windows box. I have not fully test PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra, but it claims to support TrueHD & DTS-MA, so it probably decodes via software and output as either multi-channel PCM via HDMI or DTS/DD via SPDIF. Therefore, audio isn't much of a problem for all Mac-Intel MBP.
The HDCP and HiDef media disc playback is still new. It recently became somewhat reliable, but still has many bugs to fix including implementation of HDCP. I've played around with 720p divx file on powerDVD via VGA port and had no issue with downrez in absence of HDCP. It played fine via DVI, but both video card and the display are HDCP compliant, so that is as expected. The HiDef HTPC is still evolving and we'll see many changes along the way. I am not much keen about HDCP as it is frequently causing problems with handshake in the CE space, and will probably see similar issues in the HTPC as well.
As for a game console I'm thinking that Xbox 360 love with Halo 3 is going to be teh win this Xmas.
What is it with you americans and the 360?
Aside from that and in all good faith, have you actually looked into some of the upcomming stuff for the PS3 murch? MGS in october(?){edited to add march 08, my bad I didnt look that up
I'm REALLY gonna have to sort out some free time
There were a few truely great games on the PS2 IMO but this time round I'm really excited by whats coming down the pipe for the PS3.
Apart from the release of the games, the above is just honest opinion.
Blades of Glory? Yawn.
Vinea
Is that directed at anyone in particular or just a basic observation about that pitiful film
What Sony sold = what retailers bought != what retailers sold
Really? I didn't realize that when I said:
and if anything it is a manufacured number...which means next to nothing if they are sitting on shelfs or in warehouses.
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my definition of "manufactured". I didn?t mean a made up number (a manufactured statistic), but rather total number of PS3s built. But who cares how many retailers have bought. What matters to the Studios (movie and game), and pretty much everyone in this thread, is the "what retailers sold" number...which puts the PS3 in the 3.8 million range, not 6 million range?quite a big difference.
But the good news is, perhaps we are all lucky Blu-ray is strong-arming the industry from behind the scenes.
Good news? How is a company "strong-arming the industry from behind" good for consumers? I'd rather let this play out in the consumer space, rather than lots of secret back door dealings, payoffs, etc. Even if HD DVD dies out in the next 6-12 months, it will have at least done one thing, and that is bring down prices. Competition is almost always a good thing.
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
Is that directed at anyone in particular or just a basic observation about that pitiful film
Kinda still waiting for LOTR on HD. Blades of Glory...um...not so much.
At least Potter is somewhere on the release list...when was the last rumored date?
Oh and as for the 360 I have one word: BioWare.
Vinea
And here is what scares me (from http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...nd_for_HD_DVD_)
Good news? How is a company "strong-arming the industry from behind" good for consumers? I'd rather let this play out in the consumer space, rather than lots of secret back door dealings, payoffs, etc. Even if HD DVD dies out in the next 6-12 months, it will have at least done one thing, and that is bring down prices. Competition is almost always a good thing.
erm.. its an opinion, its written in a "journal" so likely from a "journalist" or someone trying to be, so therfore good odds on it being open to interpretation at best, or made up at worst.
Walter
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
No probs man
{slightly of topic}
ooohhh carful with the childish thing {checks murchs post count} oh yeah you should be alright, the post count pedants
{slightly of topic}
ooohhh carful with the childish thing {checks murchs post count} oh yeah you should be alright, the post count pedants
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
Walter
my buds all have Xbox so there's no better fun than fragging your friends online. I'm looking forward to no scoping them bastards and bragging about it over beers later. Yeah I know....childish.
I actually have some respect for you now, lol jk. I play online all the time. My gamertag is Premier301 if you want to play sometime.
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
You know it doesn't matter when I check the forums, you're ALWAYS on and responding to everything anybody writes.
That is a sad truth about Mac fans in HTPC hobbies. Only means of having the HiDef software support right now is to bootcamp to Windows or just using the windows box. I have not fully test PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra, but it claims to support TrueHD & DTS-MA, so it probably decodes via software and output as either multi-channel PCM via HDMI or DTS/DD via SPDIF. Therefore, audio isn't much of a problem for all Mac-Intel MBP.
Arrrgh! I'm trying to surf and find out what exact components you need to be able put out full multi-channel PCM HDCP protected sound via HDMI, but I just cannot find that information.
As far as I can tell, the AACS spec does not allow original quality sound over SPDIF under any circumstances, since it's a digital connection and not DRM protected. Whether you get downgrading of some sort, or just get silence, I don't know. In any case you must have HDMI to get full quality.
And then I have no idea what computer sound solutions support HDCP. Most do not! The Geforce 8800, for instance, gets its sound through an external connector which means the sound output is not qualified for protected content even if it comes out through HDMI. The ATi R600, while supporting real HDCP audio, doesn't support the full range offered by blue laser discs which is up to 8-channel.
I have a feeling the situation will best fix itself by the graphics card manufacturers putting in full HDCP audio functionality. It shouldn't need a lot of hardware to just pass through the data from an optical disc and let the external reciever worry about it. But will there need to be additional tamperproofing to protect the unencrypted signal traveling on the motherboard buses...?
The HDCP and HiDef media disc playback is still new. It recently became somewhat reliable, but still has many bugs to fix including implementation of HDCP. I've played around with 720p divx file on powerDVD via VGA port and had no issue with downrez in absence of HDCP. It played fine via DVI, but both video card and the display are HDCP compliant, so that is as expected. The HiDef HTPC is still evolving and we'll see many changes along the way. I am not much keen about HDCP as it is frequently causing problems with handshake in the CE space, and will probably see similar issues in the HTPC as well.
If it only were an implementation issue, but it's design. They can build systems that are actually compatible with all the demands of the standards, but the design of the standard dictates that the devices be hard and costly to manufacture. If I can't tell what I should buy right this instant to get compatibility, then 95% of consumers can't.
You can't test if the system works or not unless the media you're running is AACS protected with every restriction flags set that the blue laser disc standards include. If you're successful viewing stuff like that, then your system works. Which is not to say some part of it, like PowerDVD, isn't so insecure that its ability to play content will be retroactively revoked.
Arrrgh! I'm trying to surf and find out what exact components you need to be able put out full multi-channel PCM HDCP protected sound via HDMI, but I just cannot find that information.
As far as I can tell, the AACS spec does not allow original quality sound over SPDIF under any circumstances, since it's a digital connection and not DRM protected. Whether you get downgrading of some sort, or just get silence, I don't know. In any case you must have HDMI to get full quality.
And then I have no idea what computer sound solutions support HDCP. Most do not! The Geforce 8800, for instance, gets its sound through an external connector which means the sound output is not qualified for protected content even if it comes out through HDMI. The ATi R600, while supporting real HDCP audio, doesn't support the full range offered by blue laser discs which is up to 8-channel.
I have a feeling the situation will best fix itself by the graphics card manufacturers putting in full HDCP audio functionality. It shouldn't need a lot of hardware to just pass through the data from an optical disc and let the external reciever worry about it. But will there need to be additional tamperproofing to protect the unencrypted signal traveling on the motherboard buses...?
You can't test if the system works or not unless the media you're running is AACS protected with every restriction flags set that the blue laser disc standards include. If you're successful viewing stuff like that, then your system works. Which is not to say some part of it, like PowerDVD, isn't so insecure that its ability to play content will be retroactively revoked.
I don't believe any of the HDMI equipped GPU comply to 1.3 HDMI spec and until they do, you will not get the full vido and audio(5.1+) bandwidth via HDMI.
here's some info from cyberlink PowerDVD ultra of it's audio capabilities:
http://www.cyberlink.com/english/pro...ltra/audio.jsp
I'm using bitstream via SPDIF to 5.1 only and it works fine, but more than 5.1 channels may require a separate/advanced sound card for now. Of course, full spec 1.3 HDMI GPU can also fix this when available, especially when the software allows bitstream audio transfer of HiDef audio directly to your AVR.
BTW, I've never heard of HDCP being applied to audio, but if it's high bandwidth digital audio then maybe?... Most of the time, it applies to protection of high bandwidth digital video signal being output onto the secured display.....
Also.... doesn't AACS more related with source media and it's authorized content copy to another media like HDD than the ability to play back on HDCP chained system?
I'm still learning as I go, but the current set up is pretty simple if you have the capable PC with a software like PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra. All you need is drop in the drive and pop in the disc and play it.
But, I agree, this isn't for everyone.
Don't forget my almost 3000 posts pre-blackout. I should be at 10k
I may get into gaming in a pretty big way in the next couple of years. I could see myself owning all three consoles. My son is just 5 though and he's not gaming yet but in a couple of years he could be ready for a Daddy Beat Down.
Had an 8 year old and his mother staying here for a number of days recently and the DS is THE thing to get!
You know it doesn't matter when I check the forums, you're ALWAYS on and responding to everything anybody writes.
He works hard and he plays hard
But who cares how many retailers have bought.
Sony
Sony
That's a very naive view of business. Channel stuffing is a terrible way to inflate sales and only damages the market for a product in the long term.