I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation Thanks for helping a fellow consumer out.
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation Thanks for helping a fellow consumer out.
Well.... a simple strategy exit is that optical format losing does not mean you will lose your HDM. Perhaps one day, we can legally rip it to HDD, but we can still do this today without legal help. Therefore, in 5 to 10 years later, you don't need a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive/player to play these movies when one or both optical formats do not exist.
As you know, the optical disc is just a storage means, but movies themselves are not tied to these optical media for play back(for now, but with BD+/newer protection solution, who knows.......).
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation Thanks for helping a fellow consumer out.
Because of the format war and the amount of money being tossed around by both sides, I don't see either going away in the foreseeable future which, if one takes a pessimistic view, means that both HD formats will eventially loose to SD-DVD and exist only as a very, very small niche market.
Still, that doesn't mean that the media you have access to, either through what you've purchased or by rental before that avenue disappears, will look any worse. I still watch my well chosen laserdisc collection, if the movie is excellent you get so caught up in the plot and characters that you don't really pay any attention to the IQ or SQ.
Buying into the HD formats now isn't for the faint of heart or those who have to watch their cash. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Well.... a simple strategy exit is that optical format losing does not mean you will lose your HDM. Perhaps one day, we can legally rip it to HDD, but we can still do this today without legal help. Therefore, in 5 to 10 years later, you don't need a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive/player to play these movies when one or both optical formats do not exist.
As you know, the optical disc is just a storage means, but movies themselves are not tied to these optical media for play back(for now, but with BD+/newer protection solution, who knows.......).
But how could one rip the media into a digital format if your computer can't read the disc because the format is extinct? \
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Still, that doesn't mean that the media you have access to, either through what you've purchased or by rental before that avenue disappears, will look any worse. I still watch my well chosen laserdisc collection, if the movie is excellent you get so caught up in the plot and characters that you don't really pay any attention to the IQ or SQ.
What happens when your Laserdisc player dies though?
Well, Handbrake is a bit different in that it's encoding the movie as opposed to copying the Video_TS folder while removing the CSS. I don't know exactly, but I assume that it's just pulling the info from playback and encoding it on the fly. That's different than copying the entire contents of the disc while removing the copy protection. Or so I would think. Also, it can't be easy to use the file created by handbrake to actually copy the disc. Can it?
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
But how could one rip the media into a digital format if your computer can't read the disc because the format is extinct? \
I would think that when a format is in process of dying, the drives would be still available. However, once in death status for long time, the availability of optical drive reader may/may not become an issue. Are you trying to commit to the format many years after it's death/extinction?
I would think that when a format is in process of dying, the drives would be still available. However, once in death status for long time, the availability of optical drive reader may/may not become an issue. Are you trying to commit to the format many years after it's death/extinction?
So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
From what I've seen from downloadable contents, the hidef contents can encode in respectable bit rate with 1GB/1hour and restore HiDef like PQ at playback in AVI/AVC/MPEG4. I'm sure SD-DVD quality can be stored at roughly half of this size as long as the audio file isn't too big.
So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
There is a free downloable software called "DVDFab HD Decrypter" to get little more info on the ripping solutions for current HiDef optical format discs. I'm sure there are many more if you look around.
Anyway, being able to store in HDD will provide a solution to transfer the contents to many future formats to come and allow HiDef content playback as long as you desire to.
But.... if we're talking about 5 to 10 years in the future after a format extinction...... don't you think there will be something better than currently available formats even in more advanced video encodings or advanced quality contents?.... Most people would have moved on to the next gen stuff by then. I really can't see SD-DVD being the dominant format for another 5 to 10 years in the future.
There is a free downloable software called "DVDFab HD Decrypter" to get little more info on the ripping solutions for current HiDef optical format discs. I'm sure there are many more if you look around.
Anyways, being able to store in HDD will provide a solution to transfer the contents to many future formats to come and allow HiDef content playback as long as you desire to.
It's part of the reason there are only Panasonic products rather than Matsushita around here. People can't pronounce Matsushita ("Matt-Sue-She-Ta?") and they can't distinguish it from Mitsubishi.
Isn't it pronounced Matt-Sush-Tuh or Matt-Sue-Shi-Ta?
What happens when your Laserdisc player dies though?
There is that although one hopes it happens later than sooner. Then you shrug and move on as you've more than got your money's worth in enjoyment. You replace those title in your LD collection that you absolutely have to have with whatever media is the current flavor. Besides, Cory, I'm assuming you now have a DVD player. How many times have you bought a DVD and then sometime later bought the Director's cut or the extended version on that same movie?
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So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
In the home theatre area nothing is forever as technology is ever changing. How many times have you replaced a player, receiver or TV because it doesn't have the inputs that are required for best picture and sound with current technology. You need to the face the fact that with home theatre you need discretionary income and sometimes the more the better.
Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
Or less.
Handbreak can be set to different rates, so you end up with different sizes Mr H above is giving a maximum size, but if its for the iPod Touch and will only be used on its 3.5 inch screen then a far smaller size would be acceptable.
In my case with TV shows I rip them at the 1000Kbps rate and end up with around 400meg per 45 min show, it looks rough but passable on a 50" screen but I can live with that as it saves space and I own the DVD anyway if I really need the quality.
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation Thanks for helping a fellow consumer out.
Great question {I see bite did his usual "avoid answering a direct question" routine, no surprise there}
{deep breath}
Well I bought a PS3 after considering a few things 1. I had owned a PS1 and PS2 and planned on getting it for gaming ANYWAY. 2 there just IS more studio support both movie studio AND importantly game studios!, more hardware manufacturer support etc. 3 Bigger disc capacity great for games and movies but also for my other reason Back-ups! (data can only be said to truly exist if it is in AT LEAST 2 places)
So what has happened?
I've bought a few movies and 3 (BD disc) games so far, as well as downloading a number of demos and paid for full games*
The movie experiance has been stunning Hi-def is amazing!!1!1!! etc.
as to my exit strategy, well I don't feel I need one and I'm not dodging the question - because the PS1 had a CD drive the PS2 had a DVD drive plus CD backwards compatibility for playing the PS1 games.
The PS3 has a DVD player AND a CD player for playing DVDs and CDs and for playing the discs of the earlier machines! SO I fully expect the PS4 whenever it turns up to play BD games DVD games and CD games so With that I would be fairly confident that it will also play the two movie formats (DVD and BD) as well.
So I will have a player in the future that will still play the discs {IMO of course}
Also I am not doing as murch is doing and buying 10 discs a month and shouting about how great it is, I am being cautious and buying the best quality discs I can, picking and choosing. I've had my PS2 since launch day and its still going strong, thats 7 years.
Over the next year or so BDs future should become clear one way or another, then the disc prices should start to fall off, and I might increase my number of purchases, and by the time the PS3 is 2 or 3 or 4 I will know if the movie format is going to last and I can buy as I many as I wish, I may even eventually catch up with murch, but not until I am more certain that the format will last.
One doesn't buy 100 movies for a format (during a format war) in the first year unless one has PLENTY of money or is insane {again IMO }
hope that answered some of your questions
*the free downloads of demo games on the PS network, which unlike xbox live is FREE is amazing and really helps to offset the current price of the PS3 I recently bought Ghost Recon 2 because of the demo! I never played the first version nor would I have bothered with even looking at the game if it wasn't for a free download It has also warned me off several games that I now KNOW I don't like plus the firmware updates, plus the folding at home client F@H Link is a worthwhile addition.
Isn't it pronounced Matt-Sush-Tuh or Matt-Sue-Shi-Ta?
In English phonetics? Mat-soo-shee-ta.
And there's the rub. It's really none of the above. Most Americans will never get it right and an awful lot ask who gives a damn. It's Mott-SUSH-tah, with a short "o" sound and a long "u." The "i" is nearly silent.
Now try Tsinghua Tongfang ten times fast.
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Also I am not doing as murch is doing and buying 10 discs a month and shouting about how great it is, I am being cautious and buying the best quality discs I can, picking and choosing.
You see, that's one thing the Murch could never fathom. He's always rhetorically asking "So how's your BD player?" Never would it occur to him that perhaps some of us haven't bought in yet because there are no discs released that appeal to us. I did buy into laserdiscs and DVDs, but not until the titles were there. Not all of us have an itch to be on the bleeding edge.
And there's the rub. It's really none of the above. Most Americans will never get it right and an awful lot ask who gives a damn. It's Mott-SUSH-tah, with a short "o" sound and a long "u." The "i" is nearly silent.
Now try Tsinghua Tongfang ten times fast.
Yeah, bits of Japanese are difficult to spell phonetically without having to explain Japanese pronunciation. Danke, though.
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BTW, Handbrake is way faster if you can copy the files to your HDD, then encode from there. I'm talking like 20fps vs. 120fps.
Perhaps, the speed difference may be due to the rip-lock on dvd-drives?...
Most dvd drives I bought did come with rip lock on as default and only allowed 4x speed on dual layer disc until unlocked via modified firmware flash.
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation
Well.... a simple strategy exit is that optical format losing does not mean you will lose your HDM. Perhaps one day, we can legally rip it to HDD, but we can still do this today without legal help.
As you know, the optical disc is just a storage means, but movies themselves are not tied to these optical media for play back(for now, but with BD+/newer protection solution, who knows.......).
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation
Because of the format war and the amount of money being tossed around by both sides, I don't see either going away in the foreseeable future which, if one takes a pessimistic view, means that both HD formats will eventially loose to SD-DVD and exist only as a very, very small niche market.
Still, that doesn't mean that the media you have access to, either through what you've purchased or by rental before that avenue disappears, will look any worse. I still watch my well chosen laserdisc collection, if the movie is excellent you get so caught up in the plot and characters that you don't really pay any attention to the IQ or SQ.
Buying into the HD formats now isn't for the faint of heart or those who have to watch their cash. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Well.... a simple strategy exit is that optical format losing does not mean you will lose your HDM. Perhaps one day, we can legally rip it to HDD, but we can still do this today without legal help.
As you know, the optical disc is just a storage means, but movies themselves are not tied to these optical media for play back(for now, but with BD+/newer protection solution, who knows.......).
But how could one rip the media into a digital format if your computer can't read the disc because the format is extinct?
Still, that doesn't mean that the media you have access to, either through what you've purchased or by rental before that avenue disappears, will look any worse. I still watch my well chosen laserdisc collection, if the movie is excellent you get so caught up in the plot and characters that you don't really pay any attention to the IQ or SQ.
What happens when your Laserdisc player dies though?
Well, Handbrake is a bit different in that it's encoding the movie as opposed to copying the Video_TS folder while removing the CSS. I don't know exactly, but I assume that it's just pulling the info from playback and encoding it on the fly. That's different than copying the entire contents of the disc while removing the copy protection. Or so I would think. Also, it can't be easy to use the file created by handbrake to actually copy the disc. Can it?
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
But how could one rip the media into a digital format if your computer can't read the disc because the format is extinct?
I would think that when a format is in process of dying, the drives would be still available. However, once in death status for long time, the availability of optical drive reader may/may not become an issue. Are you trying to commit to the format many years after it's death/extinction?
I would think that when a format is in process of dying, the drives would be still available. However, once in death status for long time, the availability of optical drive reader may/may not become an issue. Are you trying to commit to the format many years after it's death/extinction?
So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
I'm glad someone mentioned Handbreak as I have an off topic question (like anything in this thread is really on topic) and was hesitant to ask. Because of the size of my music collection I was hoping for a touch iPod with larger than 16GB capacity so I could have both music and movies. This raised a question in my mind, I assume one uses Handbreake to convert a movie to .mp4 so you can add it to the iPod, correct? How big of a file would result from say a 2 hour movie using Handbrake?
From what I've seen from downloadable contents, the hidef contents can encode in respectable bit rate with 1GB/1hour and restore HiDef like PQ at playback in AVI/AVC/MPEG4. I'm sure SD-DVD quality can be stored at roughly half of this size as long as the audio file isn't too big.
So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
There is a free downloable software called "DVDFab HD Decrypter" to get little more info on the ripping solutions for current HiDef optical format discs. I'm sure there are many more if you look around.
Anyway, being able to store in HDD will provide a solution to transfer the contents to many future formats to come and allow HiDef content playback as long as you desire to.
But.... if we're talking about 5 to 10 years in the future after a format extinction...... don't you think there will be something better than currently available formats even in more advanced video encodings or advanced quality contents?.... Most people would have moved on to the next gen stuff by then. I really can't see SD-DVD being the dominant format for another 5 to 10 years in the future.
There is a free downloable software called "DVDFab HD Decrypter" to get little more info on the ripping solutions for current HiDef optical format discs. I'm sure there are many more if you look around.
Anyways, being able to store in HDD will provide a solution to transfer the contents to many future formats to come and allow HiDef content playback as long as you desire to.
Thank you. That's encouraging
It's part of the reason there are only Panasonic products rather than Matsushita around here. People can't pronounce Matsushita ("Matt-Sue-She-Ta?") and they can't distinguish it from Mitsubishi.
Isn't it pronounced Matt-Sush-Tuh or Matt-Sue-Shi-Ta?
...
What happens when your Laserdisc player dies though?
There is that although one hopes it happens later than sooner. Then you shrug and move on as you've more than got your money's worth in enjoyment. You replace those title in your LD collection that you absolutely have to have with whatever media is the current flavor. Besides, Cory, I'm assuming you now have a DVD player. How many times have you bought a DVD and then sometime later bought the Director's cut or the extended version on that same movie?
So...if my format of choice end up on life support, I should pony up for a player that will work with my computer so that one day when an application comes along which supports the ripping of that format, I'll have a way out?
In the home theatre area nothing is forever as technology is ever changing. How many times have you replaced a player, receiver or TV because it doesn't have the inputs that are required for best picture and sound with current technology. You need to the face the fact that with home theatre you need discretionary income and sometimes the more the better.
if the movie is excellent you get so caught up in the plot and characters that you don't really pay any attention to the IQ or SQ.
oh so true of this thread
I assume its a typo, but boy it made me laugh
Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
Or less.
Handbreak can be set to different rates, so you end up with different sizes Mr H above is giving a maximum size, but if its for the iPod Touch and will only be used on its 3.5 inch screen then a far smaller size would be acceptable.
In my case with TV shows I rip them at the 1000Kbps rate and end up with around 400meg per 45 min show, it looks rough but passable on a 50" screen but I can live with that as it saves space and I own the DVD anyway if I really need the quality.
Experiment is the key
Isn't it pronounced Matt-Sush-Tuh or Matt-Sue-Shi-Ta?
In English phonetics? Mat-soo-shee-ta.
I haven't committed to a format yet. I'd like to. I was wondering what everyone's exit strategy is if the format you're currently collecting ends up losing? And by losing I mean to the point that combo players aren't even available. Please, no "my format isn't going to lose" for this theoretical situation
Great question {I see bite did his usual "avoid answering a direct question" routine, no surprise there}
{deep breath}
Well I bought a PS3 after considering a few things 1. I had owned a PS1 and PS2 and planned on getting it for gaming ANYWAY. 2 there just IS more studio support both movie studio AND importantly game studios!, more hardware manufacturer support etc. 3 Bigger disc capacity great for games and movies but also for my other reason Back-ups! (data can only be said to truly exist if it is in AT LEAST 2 places)
So what has happened?
I've bought a few movies and 3 (BD disc) games so far, as well as downloading a number of demos and paid for full games*
The movie experiance has been stunning Hi-def is amazing!!1!1!! etc.
as to my exit strategy, well I don't feel I need one
The PS3 has a DVD player AND a CD player for playing DVDs and CDs and for playing the discs of the earlier machines! SO I fully expect the PS4 whenever it turns up to play BD games DVD games and CD games so With that I would be fairly confident that it will also play the two movie formats (DVD and BD) as well.
So I will have a player in the future that will still play the discs
Also I am not doing as murch is doing and buying 10 discs a month and shouting about how great it is, I am being cautious and buying the best quality discs I can, picking and choosing. I've had my PS2 since launch day and its still going strong, thats 7 years.
Over the next year or so BDs future should become clear one way or another, then the disc prices should start to fall off, and I might increase my number of purchases, and by the time the PS3 is 2 or 3 or 4 I will know if the movie format is going to last and I can buy as I many as I wish, I may even eventually catch up with murch, but not until I am more certain that the format will last.
One doesn't buy 100 movies for a format (during a format war) in the first year unless one has PLENTY of money or is insane {again IMO
hope that answered some of your questions
*the free downloads of demo games on the PS network, which unlike xbox live is FREE is amazing and really helps to offset the current price of the PS3 I recently bought Ghost Recon 2 because of the demo! I never played the first version nor would I have bothered with even looking at the game if it wasn't for a free download
Isn't it pronounced Matt-Sush-Tuh or Matt-Sue-Shi-Ta?
In English phonetics? Mat-soo-shee-ta.
And there's the rub. It's really none of the above. Most Americans will never get it right and an awful lot ask who gives a damn. It's Mott-SUSH-tah, with a short "o" sound and a long "u." The "i" is nearly silent.
Now try Tsinghua Tongfang ten times fast.
Also I am not doing as murch is doing and buying 10 discs a month and shouting about how great it is, I am being cautious and buying the best quality discs I can, picking and choosing.
You see, that's one thing the Murch could never fathom. He's always rhetorically asking "So how's your BD player?" Never would it occur to him that perhaps some of us haven't bought in yet because there are no discs released that appeal to us. I did buy into laserdiscs and DVDs, but not until the titles were there. Not all of us have an itch to be on the bleeding edge.
And there's the rub. It's really none of the above. Most Americans will never get it right and an awful lot ask who gives a damn. It's Mott-SUSH-tah, with a short "o" sound and a long "u." The "i" is nearly silent.
Now try Tsinghua Tongfang ten times fast.
Yeah, bits of Japanese are difficult to spell phonetically without having to explain Japanese pronunciation. Danke, though.