Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
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Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe
Or less.
Handbreak can be set to different rates, so you end up with different sizes Mr H above is giving a maximum size, but if its for the iPod Touch and will only be used on its 3.5 inch screen then a far smaller size would be acceptable.
In my case with TV shows I rip them at the 1000Kbps rate and end up with around 400meg per 45 min show, it looks rough but passable on a 50" screen but I can live with that as it saves space and I own the DVD anyway if I really need the quality.
Experiment is the key
There is no reason to have file sizes that big, H. I don't recall my exact settings, but I tend to use at least 1000kpbs and my files sizes are usually around 800Mb for a two hour movie.
There is no reason to have file sizes that big, H. I don't recall my exact settings, but I tend to use at least 1000kpbs and my files sizes are usually around 800Mb for a two hour movie.
Like I said, depends on what quality you want. If you're after maximum quality (perhaps because you are going to output to a bigger screen), you'll get a 2.35 GiB file. I guess it's also useful to know what the upper limit is (iPod can't play higher bit-rate files).
If you're only going to be watching on the iPod, yes, you can use a much lower bit rate. The two times I've watched video on my 5.5 G iPod, I used 320 x 240 (that's the 5.5 G iPod screen res) 768 kbps H.264 and I couldn't see any artefacts.
If the players can get updated firmware to play these discs it's a win.
If this creates a new format that renders all previous HD-DVD players obsolete it will have little discernible impact. Blu-Ray will no doubt introduce an updated version to leapfrog the 51GB disc.
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
If the players can get updated firmware to play these discs it's a win.
If this creates a new format that renders all previous HD-DVD players obsolete it will have little discernible impact. Blu-Ray will no doubt introduce an updated version to leapfrog the 51GB disc.
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
I think current firmware already addresses triple layer/hybrid 3 layers data reading. I thought hybrid three layer HD-DVD/DVD title already exists and have shown no issue with even 1st gen hardwares.
Perhaps, the future firmware would probably allow compatibility with 17GB/layer discs from the current 15GB/layer format.
Eitherway, all the speculative data is just speculative data. When we see 1st T51 disc movie title, the answer will be self explanatory.
Sorry Walter, no typo. IQ is image quality and SQ is sound quality. I never thought about IQ in terms of the quality, or lack thereof, of the statements in some posts, really.
Sorry Walter, no typo. IQ is image quality and SQ is sound quality. I never thought about IQ in terms of the quality, or lack thereof, of the statements in some posts, really.
Ah more used to reading/thinging in tems of PQ for Picture Quality.
Am I right in thinking you are congratulation me on the PS3 purchase? I got it back in may, but yeah, its been great thanks
PS can't recommend Hanbreak highly enough, just use mac the ripper on the DVD first to store it to HDD then use handbreak on the files on the hard drive WAY faster. Also there are some presets for AppleTV and iPod which takes the guess work out of it and you can make your own presets too!
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
Nope. It just pisses people off. The only difference between that and current combo discs is that it's all on one side so you can have (gasp!) artwork on the top. That's the only advantage over combos. The disadvantages remain. HD DVD buyers by and large don't like having to pay an extra $5 or so for the DVD layer and DVD buyers won't spend the money for a combo disc when DVDs are so much cheaper. J6P doesn't think so far ahead that he worries about future-proofing his media library.
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Originally Posted by bitemymac
I think current firmware already addresses triple layer/hybrid 3 layers data reading. I thought hybrid three layer HD-DVD/DVD title already exists and have shown no issue with even 1st gen hardwares.
That's three layers on two sides for current combo discs. Quite different from three layers on one side.
OMG! Why didn't WE think of that!? I guess we can close this thread now.
[/rant] Sorry... I know I shouldn't expect you to read the pages upon pages upon pages, but to those of us that have been following this since '05 that point has been brought up and debunked about 6 times already.
edit: Ah, first post. Welcome to the fray.. I mean forum.
They're also members of the DVD Forum as well. About %40 of the Blu-ray Board of Director companies are neutral. So you are half correct in that if Apple delivers a HD player it "could" be Blu-ray or it could be HD DVD or both.
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Yes, you can use HandBrake to convert a DVD to a format playable on the iPod. The size of the movie depends upon which format and bitrate you choose.
The iPod touch can play MPEG-4 part 10 (aka H.264) baseline profile at 2.5 Mbps, with AAC audio up to 160 kbps. So, assuming you use both maximum bit-rates for max quality, that adds up to 2*60*60*2.5/8 = 2250 MB = 2.1 GiB for the video and 2*60*60*160/8 = 162,000 kB = 0.15 GiB for the audio. That's 2.25 GiB in total, but "wrapping" will add a bit more data. So it'd be up to 2.35 GiB for a two hour movie.
Or less.
Handbreak can be set to different rates, so you end up with different sizes Mr H above is giving a maximum size, but if its for the iPod Touch and will only be used on its 3.5 inch screen then a far smaller size would be acceptable.
In my case with TV shows I rip them at the 1000Kbps rate and end up with around 400meg per 45 min show, it looks rough but passable on a 50" screen but I can live with that as it saves space and I own the DVD anyway if I really need the quality.
Experiment is the key
There is no reason to have file sizes that big, H. I don't recall my exact settings, but I tend to use at least 1000kpbs and my files sizes are usually around 800Mb for a two hour movie.
There is no reason to have file sizes that big, H. I don't recall my exact settings, but I tend to use at least 1000kpbs and my files sizes are usually around 800Mb for a two hour movie.
Like I said, depends on what quality you want. If you're after maximum quality (perhaps because you are going to output to a bigger screen), you'll get a 2.35 GiB file. I guess it's also useful to know what the upper limit is (iPod can't play higher bit-rate files).
If you're only going to be watching on the iPod, yes, you can use a much lower bit rate. The two times I've watched video on my 5.5 G iPod, I used 320 x 240 (that's the 5.5 G iPod screen res) 768 kbps H.264 and I couldn't see any artefacts.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/0,39029477,49292674,00.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8794
do not know, whether this news useful or not
Triple Layer, 51GB HD DVD Approved by DVD Forum
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8794
do not know, whether this news useful or not
If the players can get updated firmware to play these discs it's a win.
If this creates a new format that renders all previous HD-DVD players obsolete it will have little discernible impact. Blu-Ray will no doubt introduce an updated version to leapfrog the 51GB disc.
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
If the players can get updated firmware to play these discs it's a win.
If this creates a new format that renders all previous HD-DVD players obsolete it will have little discernible impact. Blu-Ray will no doubt introduce an updated version to leapfrog the 51GB disc.
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
I think current firmware already addresses triple layer/hybrid 3 layers data reading. I thought hybrid three layer HD-DVD/DVD title already exists and have shown no issue with even 1st gen hardwares.
Perhaps, the future firmware would probably allow compatibility with 17GB/layer discs from the current 15GB/layer format.
Eitherway, all the speculative data is just speculative data. When we see 1st T51 disc movie title, the answer will be self explanatory.
oh so true of this thread
I assume its a typo, but boy it made me laugh
Sorry Walter, no typo. IQ is image quality and SQ is sound quality. I never thought about IQ in terms of the quality, or lack thereof, of the statements in some posts, really.
Congratulations on your purchase Walter.
Sorry Walter, no typo. IQ is image quality and SQ is sound quality. I never thought about IQ in terms of the quality, or lack thereof, of the statements in some posts, really.
Ah more used to reading/thinging in tems of PQ for Picture Quality.
Am I right in thinking you are congratulation me on the PS3 purchase? I got it back in may, but yeah, its been great thanks
PS can't recommend Hanbreak highly enough, just use mac the ripper on the DVD first to store it to HDD then use handbreak on the files on the hard drive WAY faster. Also there are some presets for AppleTV and iPod which takes the guess work out of it
The idea for shipping the DVD and HD-DVD version on one disc is a very good way to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the DVD platform.
Nope. It just pisses people off. The only difference between that and current combo discs is that it's all on one side so you can have (gasp!) artwork on the top. That's the only advantage over combos. The disadvantages remain. HD DVD buyers by and large don't like having to pay an extra $5 or so for the DVD layer and DVD buyers won't spend the money for a combo disc when DVDs are so much cheaper. J6P doesn't think so far ahead that he worries about future-proofing his media library.
I think current firmware already addresses triple layer/hybrid 3 layers data reading. I thought hybrid three layer HD-DVD/DVD title already exists and have shown no issue with even 1st gen hardwares.
That's three layers on two sides for current combo discs. Quite different from three layers on one side.
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/
[/rant] Sorry... I know I shouldn't expect you to read the pages upon pages upon pages, but to those of us that have been following this since '05 that point has been brought up and debunked about 6 times already.
edit: Ah, first post. Welcome to the fray.. I mean forum.
hey Apple is a member of the Blu-Ray association. So definitely when Apple puts in the new HD drive, it will be blu ray
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/
They're also members of the DVD Forum as well. About %40 of the Blu-ray Board of Director companies are neutral. So you are half correct in that if Apple delivers a HD player it "could" be Blu-ray or it could be HD DVD or both.
Natures Journey on Blu-ray delayed for a month. HD DVD version will ship tomorrow as originally planned.
Yet another outcome that HD DVD owner have seen routinely on a format (Blu-ray) that is wrought with incompatibilities across the players.
Especially with all those cool In-Movie-Experiences disabled.
Looks like it has to be disabled a while longer.... I hear Blu-Ray mandatory profile 1.1+ has been delayed until summer of 2008.
HD-DVD seems to be keep adding features like TL51 and so on...but Blu-Ray seems to keep taking away promised features.
That's three layers on two sides for current combo discs. Quite different from three layers on one side.
Well... Try flipping this Hybrid Twin HD-DVD/DVD Disc