More news that only increases the confusion. Oh, and this didn't help either.
I reiterate that I don't think a winner will emerge from this format war.
The China-only format is well known, and won't affect the war much.
However, a third format should make things interesting. I can imagine how brutal it's going to get when VMD adherents show up in this thread and get piled on by the other two sides.
The Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD vs HD VMD (2008) thread is going to be fun.
This trend may continue since there's no profile 1.1/+ compliant standalone Blu-Ray player scheduled for 2007.
The Denon is still scheduled for release this year and the LG will be 1.1 (or even 2.0) compliant.
Furthermore the rumor is that many of the new players announced at IFA and Cedia are 1.1 compliant but they won't say so until they get the result from the plugfest next week.
This may push me over the edge and I might go ahead and get a playstation 3. $399 and cross the fingers.
Really? The games still seem a little meh to me but there are good ones on the horizon. Probably feel that way because I prefer the 360 exclusives over the ps3 exclusives. I'm waiting for the RRoD problems to get resolved and the November launch of Mass Effect.
Really? The games still seem a little meh to me but there are good ones on the horizon. Probably feel that way because I prefer the 360 exclusives over the ps3 exclusives. I'm waiting for the RRoD problems to get resolved and the November launch of Mass Effect.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I've not made up my mind completely but I'm leaning ps3. The BR player is kinda an added bonus.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I always thought that the PS3 is overkill on its capabilities. It doesn't make much sense to provide much more processing power than your competitor because at the end, game makers will only make one version of a game, then tweak it to run on each system. Therefore typically a 360/PS3 game graphic capabilities will max out the power of the weaker of the 2 systems.
But I do respect Sony for coming with 1080p. I think that was a bold and positive move. If anything, it put some pressure of MS to step up its game regarding the 360.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
Both. Getting the most out of the PS3 is still in the future.
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The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I think their fixing it in falcon and they have a 3 year warranty I think. The 65nm chips should generate less heat so the RRoD should be reduced and maybe the 360 won't sound like a jet at 2am when the house is quiet and you're trying to sneak a game in.
If we get a price drop with falcon I'll get a 360 and justify it to my wife as "I'm using it to learn XNA!". Heh, I wonder if I can write it off as a business expense.
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I've not made up my mind completely but I'm leaning ps3. The BR player is kinda an added bonus.
Yah...the BR player is a significant added bonus if I figure any HD player is a $199+ proposition. Then the console part is only $200 which ain't too horrid. And as a console I kinda don't even care if BR is the ultimate loser because...I dunno...I'm getting it for the games and heh...if the PS4 is backward compatible it will likely play BR movies as well.
But meh. All I have at the moment is my 480p backup projector shining on a white wall. I hate doing sheetrock so the theater room has been bare studs for weeks.
With the current status of PS3, it is actually better as a Blu-Ray player than a gaming console. It has the most features and capable of complying to future Blu-Ray profiles at the lowest price point. Being able to play games on PS3 is a plus.
If I were in the market for Blu-ray Player, I wouldn't touch any of the current standalone Blu-Ray players unless it's fully featured with future blu-ray profiles. It's going to get nasty, unless BDA decide to abandon all the interactivity features for good.
Am I the only one that doesn't care about interactivity one iota?
Probably not but if "just" the movie is what people want then the low price of HD DVD is the keen thing. Which is why Blu-ray has fought to keep exclusive studio support.
Well no, I don't want "Just the movies" I also am a special feature junky, mostly for behind the scene or related subject documentaries. Commentary tracks are also a fav of mine. All of which are made easier by the extra space of Blu-ray.
However, as far as "in movie experience! WOWZERS!" goes, I am a "Just the movie" kind of guy.
Washington, D.C. (September 12, 2007) -- Warner Home Video president Ron Sanders says the studio will continue to release films on Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs.
At least for now.
That's according to an article by TWICE Magazine.
The Los Angeles Times reported this week that Warner has received a "lucrative" offer from HD DVD supporters to back HD DVD exclusively in the format war. Paramount last month stunned the industry by announcing that it would support HD DVD exclusively. (Four major studios back Blu-ray only.)
But Sanders tells TWICE that Warner will "remain committed to both for the time being."
"We're talking to both sides and it?s crazy right now," he said. "We?ll see how the fourth quarter plays out. The consumer is still kind of divided, and we still believe that we should offer the content in both formats. Now, we will watch the marketplace very closely, and see how it plays out, but for now we are supporting both."
Interestingly, Sanders didn't deny the premise of TWICE's question: "Have you received offers from HD DVD or Blu-ray to be exclusive with either format, as Paramount recently did with HD DVD?"
Instead, he avoided a direct answer by saying "we're talking to both sides" and that Warner will "remain committed to both for the time being."
Sanders also told TWICE that Warner will release all four Harry Potter movies on high-def disc in time for the holiday season.
Let the courting wars begin!
If Blu-ray continues to dominate in disc sales, it would be nice to see Warner make a decision backed up by consumer demand rather than the opposite from Paramount's actions.
Either way, for now, let the HD DUD boys keep dreaming.
Am I the only one that doesn't care about interactivity one iota?
Nope, you're not the only one. There are also many who do not care much about HDM. I'm sure there are more people agreeing with "SD-DVD is good enough" statement than to the interactivity features.
The good news is that the 51GB discs should play in all HD DVD players currently on the market. We discussed this with James Armour from Toshiba's optical storage division at CeBIT this year, and were told that although the third layer would be harder to read, and generate more data errors, the player's error correction should be able to fix these problems without picture and sound problems.
Nope, you're not the only one. There are also many who do not care much about HDM. I'm sure there are more people agreeing with "SD-DVD is good enough" statement than to the interactivity features.
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
LOL....
The extra space is probably needed to aswer to Blu-Ray fanboys. I don't see the need, either. When All my HD-DVD's look and sound wonderful on the current 30GB DL disc.
Actually, only thing I can think of is that studios may use the extra space for extra adds and trailers?....
Well no, I don't want "Just the movies" I also am a special feature junky, mostly for behind the scene or related subject documentaries. Commentary tracks are also a fav of mine. All of which are made easier by the extra space of Blu-ray.
However, as far as "in movie experience! WOWZERS!" goes, I am a "Just the movie" kind of guy.
Commentary tracks take up virtually no space. HD DVD has the better features. Try comparing 300 extras with Blu-ray's version. I'm not sure you fully understand what IME is. You post is one big contradiction.
"I love extras!" IME facilitates the easy viewing of extras in sync with the picture.
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
I love the feigned ignorance you have so clevery mastered. 30GB is "good enough" for %95 of distributed films. There's nothing wrong with having the option to support the %5 of long playing movies and TV series on disc with a larger disc.
Nothing about the story has changed ..you've just been clueless about what the story said.
Commentary tracks take up virtually no space. HD DVD has the better features. Try comparing 300 extras with Blu-ray's version. I'm not sure you fully understand what IME is. You post is one big contradiction.
Damn it Murch, the part about extra space was referring mainly to the "behind the scenes" and "related documentaries" parts of my post. I mentioned my like of commentary tracks only in the spirit of being completely honest since they are technically an in-movie-experience.
I really don't think you get to be lecturing me on contradictions.
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"I love extras!" IME facilitates the easy viewing of extras in sync with the picture.
This is what I guess I don't get. Why do I want to see them in sync with the movie? What does this do that the good old multi-angle button couldn't do from the user's point of view?
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Conversely how many people own two PS3s for example?
I have 2 PS3s mainly for Folding@Home, but the one at home (the other is at work) gets used a lot for Blu-ray movies and a little bit of gaming.
I also gave a BDP-S1 to my girlfriend.
IMO it points to attach rates meaning squat!
Agreed!
More news that only increases the confusion. Oh, and this didn't help either.
I reiterate that I don't think a winner will emerge from this format war.
The China-only format is well known, and won't affect the war much.
However, a third format should make things interesting. I can imagine how brutal it's going to get when VMD adherents show up in this thread and get piled on by the other two sides.
The Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD vs HD VMD (2008) thread is going to be fun.
The Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD vs HD VMD (2008) thread is going to be fun.
Fun? I'd hate to see what you find dull then!
Yes that's exactly my point. Just being on the BoD or a member of an organization doesn't mean you support that org's particular format.
Oh please!!
You don't become a member of BDA and not support Blu-ray.
Apple was a member of DVD Forum before HD DVD was made. Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer and other are members of the DVD Forum.
This trend may continue since there's no profile 1.1/+ compliant standalone Blu-Ray player scheduled for 2007.
The Denon is still scheduled for release this year and the LG will be 1.1 (or even 2.0) compliant.
Furthermore the rumor is that many of the new players announced at IFA and Cedia are 1.1 compliant but they won't say so until they get the result from the plugfest next week.
This may push me over the edge and I might go ahead and get a playstation 3. $399 and cross the fingers.
Really? The games still seem a little meh to me but there are good ones on the horizon. Probably feel that way because I prefer the 360 exclusives over the ps3 exclusives. I'm waiting for the RRoD problems to get resolved and the November launch of Mass Effect.
Really? The games still seem a little meh to me but there are good ones on the horizon. Probably feel that way because I prefer the 360 exclusives over the ps3 exclusives. I'm waiting for the RRoD problems to get resolved and the November launch of Mass Effect.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I've not made up my mind completely but I'm leaning ps3. The BR player is kinda an added bonus.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I always thought that the PS3 is overkill on its capabilities. It doesn't make much sense to provide much more processing power than your competitor because at the end, game makers will only make one version of a game, then tweak it to run on each system. Therefore typically a 360/PS3 game graphic capabilities will max out the power of the weaker of the 2 systems.
But I do respect Sony for coming with 1080p. I think that was a bold and positive move. If anything, it put some pressure of MS to step up its game regarding the 360.
The lack of game titles is really concerning. Is it because the system is 'new', or are the software developers having a difficult time writing games on this platform?
Both. Getting the most out of the PS3 is still in the future.
The RRoD just scares me away. AFAIK, MS is just setting aside money to repair and replace systems. I don't think they are correcting the design flaw. The titles on the 360 though are pretty good. Especially 1st person shooter.
I think their fixing it in falcon and they have a 3 year warranty I think. The 65nm chips should generate less heat so the RRoD should be reduced and maybe the 360 won't sound like a jet at 2am when the house is quiet and you're trying to sneak a game in.
If we get a price drop with falcon I'll get a 360 and justify it to my wife as "I'm using it to learn XNA!". Heh, I wonder if I can write it off as a business expense.
I've not made up my mind completely but I'm leaning ps3. The BR player is kinda an added bonus.
Yah...the BR player is a significant added bonus if I figure any HD player is a $199+ proposition. Then the console part is only $200 which ain't too horrid. And as a console I kinda don't even care if BR is the ultimate loser because...I dunno...I'm getting it for the games and heh...if the PS4 is backward compatible it will likely play BR movies as well.
But meh. All I have at the moment is my 480p backup projector shining on a white wall. I hate doing sheetrock so the theater room has been bare studs for weeks.
If I were in the market for Blu-ray Player, I wouldn't touch any of the current standalone Blu-Ray players unless it's fully featured with future blu-ray profiles. It's going to get nasty, unless BDA decide to abandon all the interactivity features for good.
Am I the only one that doesn't care about interactivity one iota?
Probably not but if "just" the movie is what people want then the low price of HD DVD is the keen thing. Which is why Blu-ray has fought to keep exclusive studio support.
However, as far as "in movie experience! WOWZERS!" goes, I am a "Just the movie" kind of guy.
The studio's home video prez discounts reports of a switch to HD DVD only.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/warner091207.htm
Washington, D.C. (September 12, 2007) -- Warner Home Video president Ron Sanders says the studio will continue to release films on Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs.
At least for now.
That's according to an article by TWICE Magazine.
The Los Angeles Times reported this week that Warner has received a "lucrative" offer from HD DVD supporters to back HD DVD exclusively in the format war. Paramount last month stunned the industry by announcing that it would support HD DVD exclusively. (Four major studios back Blu-ray only.)
But Sanders tells TWICE that Warner will "remain committed to both for the time being."
"We're talking to both sides and it?s crazy right now," he said. "We?ll see how the fourth quarter plays out. The consumer is still kind of divided, and we still believe that we should offer the content in both formats. Now, we will watch the marketplace very closely, and see how it plays out, but for now we are supporting both."
Interestingly, Sanders didn't deny the premise of TWICE's question: "Have you received offers from HD DVD or Blu-ray to be exclusive with either format, as Paramount recently did with HD DVD?"
Instead, he avoided a direct answer by saying "we're talking to both sides" and that Warner will "remain committed to both for the time being."
Sanders also told TWICE that Warner will release all four Harry Potter movies on high-def disc in time for the holiday season.
Let the courting wars begin!
If Blu-ray continues to dominate in disc sales, it would be nice to see Warner make a decision backed up by consumer demand rather than the opposite from Paramount's actions.
Either way, for now, let the HD DUD boys keep dreaming.
Am I the only one that doesn't care about interactivity one iota?
Nope, you're not the only one. There are also many who do not care much about HDM. I'm sure there are more people agreeing with "SD-DVD is good enough" statement than to the interactivity features.
BTW, some more compatibility info to HD-DVD TL51.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-977....html#talkback
The good news is that the 51GB discs should play in all HD DVD players currently on the market. We discussed this with James Armour from Toshiba's optical storage division at CeBIT this year, and were told that although the third layer would be harder to read, and generate more data errors, the player's error correction should be able to fix these problems without picture and sound problems.
So far so good!..
Nope, you're not the only one. There are also many who do not care much about HDM. I'm sure there are more people agreeing with "SD-DVD is good enough" statement than to the interactivity features.
BTW, some more compatibility info to HD-DVD TL51.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-977....html#talkback
So far so good!..
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
LOL....
The extra space is probably needed to aswer to Blu-Ray fanboys. I don't see the need, either. When All my HD-DVD's look and sound wonderful on the current 30GB DL disc.
Actually, only thing I can think of is that studios may use the extra space for extra adds and trailers?....
Well no, I don't want "Just the movies" I also am a special feature junky, mostly for behind the scene or related subject documentaries. Commentary tracks are also a fav of mine. All of which are made easier by the extra space of Blu-ray.
However, as far as "in movie experience! WOWZERS!" goes, I am a "Just the movie" kind of guy.
Commentary tracks take up virtually no space. HD DVD has the better features. Try comparing 300 extras with Blu-ray's version. I'm not sure you fully understand what IME is. You post is one big contradiction.
"I love extras!" IME facilitates the easy viewing of extras in sync with the picture.
I see two "should"s that wouldn't put my confidence in the TL51 just yet. BTW, why does it matter to HD DVD enthusiasts, as I thought 30 GB is "good enough?"
Is your guys stories going to change yet again? Now, all of a sudden storage matters? Interesting, to say the least, but I can't say that it is suprising.
Moreover, will it revert back when BD 100s are released?
I love the feigned ignorance you have so clevery mastered. 30GB is "good enough" for %95 of distributed films. There's nothing wrong with having the option to support the %5 of long playing movies and TV series on disc with a larger disc.
Nothing about the story has changed ..you've just been clueless about what the story said.
Commentary tracks take up virtually no space. HD DVD has the better features. Try comparing 300 extras with Blu-ray's version. I'm not sure you fully understand what IME is. You post is one big contradiction.
Damn it Murch, the part about extra space was referring mainly to the "behind the scenes" and "related documentaries" parts of my post. I mentioned my like of commentary tracks only in the spirit of being completely honest since they are technically an in-movie-experience.
I really don't think you get to be lecturing me on contradictions.
"I love extras!" IME facilitates the easy viewing of extras in sync with the picture.
This is what I guess I don't get. Why do I want to see them in sync with the movie? What does this do that the good old multi-angle button couldn't do from the user's point of view?