You know, it's going to be very hard to impossible for Apple to do better than the iPhone RDF explosion from MWSF07. I can't see how they can one-up that one. So, I think you guys should be prepared for a more subdued MWSF08.
I think MB, MBP, MM, iMac and MP updates will be boring, and don't rate a big splash anymore. If they announce something, like a MP Penryn-based update, I think it'll be pretty low key 10 minutes with one demo. A press release may be just as good.
For sure, Jobs will review Apple's 2007 financials, market share, units sold, etc., for at least 30 minutes. It's deserved.
For a bigger 2008 (financially, marketshare, etc), what can they do?
An actual low end laptop and desktop (with monitor) in the $600 to $800 range? It could double market share, but I think they are perfectly fine with only shipping products >$1000 which get them good profit margins. Even the Mac mini is a $1000+ product if you want to buy an Apple monitor to come with it.
I think Jobs will announce a new iPhone much in the same vein as he's announced a new Macintosh before, where it's an operating system update providing the "new" part. The iPhone could easily be new with a Leopard update to the iPhone OS X, a SDK, and more computer-like abilities. I think an announcement with Microsoft for Exchange Server and Outlook sync would warrant a big splash, but they goes against Apple's anti-MS formats push. I wonder which camp Jobs was in in that battle. So, new iPhone OS X update yes. Outlook/Exchange support, not yet.
I think something about digital media has to be said, such movie rentals, more DRM-free music, etc. Something along those lines. It could be offering free TV, video, movies with embedded commercials. So 30 minutes there. Too bad that can't rip DVDs like CDs. That'll make iPods and AppleTV sell more.
The iPhone lineup has to expand, but I don't think they are ready. A $500 16 GB iPhone (USA only) is possible. That's the likeliest thing, 50/50. A cheaper $200 iPhone or a 3G iPhone stills seems 6 months away.
A tablet I think is an answer searching for a problem right now. A PDA sized iPhone or iPod touch with 4-5 inch screen could be interesting, but it'll need EDGE/HSPDA and business use. Apple isn't ready to be an enterprise company. They may never want too. The consumer market for it seems pretty small. So I predict no.
The super thin MB or MBP? I think it is 50/50. Just an addition to the lineup with about 250k units per quarter at $1699 or $1799.
A revised AppleTV? Hmmm. I think the video dream has died. People would rather watch free entertainment that has commercials rather than pay for entertainment that doesn't have commercials. Music is the exception with it only being 5 minutes long. TV, thats 45 minutes and people can tolerate 10 minutes of commercials interspersed. What does that mean for AppleTV. If Apple has the free video content, AppleTV can live and be great. If Apple doesn't have the content, it'll die. So, they need to make deal with the content providers about putting commercials into the videos.
resolution is the main reason, 22" LCDs soon will be become standard and 20" will disappear like 17" did
22" - 1680x1050 - i suggested this a year ago, but that time it was expensive - now u can get for
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
When the switch was made to 17" to 20"s the pixel pitch of the 17" wasn't carried over to the 20" - in fact the 20"s are widescreen.
Well that's a pretty grim assessment, TNT. I was depressed after reading that. But now that I am back to my good 'ol self....
There's no way that Apple's going to let its current design for the MacBook Pro linger another revision...here's why:
— Apple is NOT shipping Leopard pre-installed on the MacBook Pro unless you have ordered a 2.6GHz CTO
— The keyboard ... Apple's clearly moving in another direction with their keyboards as evidenced by the one that's shipping with the new aluminum and glass iMacs. They also have re-arranged the keyboard layout but have yet to do so on the MacBook Pro. Hmm....
— I am typing this on a current MacBook Pro. The hinge is incapable of tilting the display back too far. It fucking sucks. Fucking sucks. I said it twice because that's how much it really pisses me off. BAD design.
— The design itself will be five years old this January. It needs an overhaul. Period.
And I won't even get into the multitude of other MacBook Pros issues that I have had...
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
When the switch was made to 17" to 20"s the pixel pitch of the 17" wasn't carried over to the 20" - in fact the 20"s are widescreen.
i agree on the pixel pitch, but 22" is becoming standard over 20", and over the period of time i guess it will be cheap compared to 20"
i agree on the pixel pitch, but 22" is becoming standard over 20"
Not quite yet though. Whenever a respectable company does a review of "affordable" monitors, it is 20". It is not a price thing, because they test $285 20" screens. 22" start at $299 in stores (online is cheaper), so I think they would've put those on.
I have a 1900x1200 23" ACD and I love it. I would NEVER put it down to the same resolution as my MB. Once a 1900x1200 22" is standard, then the 22" will take over the 20"
A revised AppleTV? Hmmm. I think the video dream has died. People would rather watch free entertainment that has commercials rather than pay for entertainment that doesn't have commercials. Music is the exception with it only being 5 minutes long. TV, thats 45 minutes and people can tolerate 10 minutes of commercials interspersed. What does that mean for AppleTV. If Apple has the free video content, AppleTV can live and be great. If Apple doesn't have the content, it'll die. So, they need to make deal with the content providers about putting commercials into the videos.
I'll ponder some more later...
Disagree with this. TV with commercials interspersed is extremely annoying. I think there is a growing number of people like myself who will go to great lengths to avoid those little bees buzzing in your ear every seven minutes or so. If anyone can do this right, it could be Apple. Hopefully data gleaned from engaging in a "hobby" will inform the next steps.
Now that it's confirmed that Steve is giving the keynote, let's start speculating what's going to be announced at MWSF.
Now: The Mac
"Mac market share is continuing to skyrocket"
Blu-ray Disc now available on select iMac and MacBook Pro models
New Apple ATSC/CableCard Tuner: Plugs into FireWire port of any Intel-based Mac, integrates with Front Row, $149
Oh, and one more thing...
"People have been asking for a subnotebook from us for years. But we didn't want to compromise anything."
Two and a half years in the making... the MacBook nano
True full featured subnotebook, 0.7" thick, less than 3 pounds, Intel Core 2 Duo
Aluminum design with carbon fiber frame.. extremely durable
Choice of 160 GB 1.8" hard drive (a la iPod) or 32/64 GB SSD
13.3" LED backlit widescreen
And it still has an optical drive!
Priced from $1899
(Note to mods: when it's time, move into the Temporary Insanity forum.)
I don't think Apple will integrate either HD format, regardless of Disney/Pixar going with Blu-Ray, until one format wins out over the other. I'm interested to see whether or not the porn industry will decide the winning format like they did when VHS and Betamax were at war. The adult film industry chose VHS, and I don't know about you, but I never owned a Betamax.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Either way, Apple will not integrate until they know what the winning format is. They're not stupid. They will not create a product that could be unusable in a year. One of the greatest things about a Mac is being able keep and use the same machine long after it should have been retired. I am writing this on an iBook G4 1GHz and I am just now NEEDING to replace it.
There's no way that Apple's going to let its current design for the MacBook Pro linger another revision...here's why:
? Apple is NOT shipping Leopard pre-installed on the MacBook Pro unless you have ordered a 2.6GHz CTO
? The keyboard ... Apple's clearly moving in another direction with their keyboards as evidenced by the one that's shipping with the new aluminum and glass iMacs. They also have re-arranged the keyboard layout but have yet to do so on the MacBook Pro. Hmm....
? I am typing this on a current MacBook Pro. The hinge is incapable of tilting the display back too far. It fucking sucks. Fucking sucks. I said it twice because that's how much it really pisses me off. BAD design.
? The design itself will be five years old this January. It needs an overhaul. Period.
And I won't even get into the multitude of other MacBook Pros issues that I have had...
Well, I wouldn't be surprised that the MBP enclosures will be updated and that it'll ship with mobile Penryn in a couple of months. My comment about it was, how exciting is it really going to be in the grand scheme of things? Especially compared to the iPhone. I don't think it'll be that exciting. A new superthin laptop, the MacBook thin as it were, could be pretty exciting as it could be the first to utilize a multi-touch UI, assuming a killer use could be found for it. But I'm not so sure about that.
However, I think an iPhone OS-X upgrade to Leopard, an iPhone software upgrade like push email, or anything related to digital media distribution will rate far higher on the RDF scale as it drives sales, marketshare increasing sales, of Apple's new cell phone and sales of its traditional devices (Macs). A MBP refresh is really more about maintaining MPB sales. That's why the current aluminum enclosure has been fine for a long awhile. I do think competitors are catching up and think Apple will respond.
I also empathize with your frustration about the screen folding limitations and hopefully Apple can produce an equally stylish and robust folding mechanism for future laptops.
Disagree with this. TV with commercials interspersed is extremely annoying. I think there is a growing number of people like myself who will go to great lengths to avoid those little bees buzzing in your ear every seven minutes or so. If anyone can do this right, it could be Apple. Hopefully data gleaned from engaging in a "hobby" will inform the next steps.
I think it is already over and video with commercials have already one. It is the way people have been consuming TV for many many years, and will be much more profitable than people buying the videos.
Apple can have all the content for $2 or $10 movies they want. The real profit center is advertising and eyeballs. Many many more people will watch a video for free than people will download to own for $2. The money the content provider receives from advertisers for say a video that is viewed 10 million times will be a lot more than Apple selling 10 million copes of a video. It seems obvious to me that this is what the content distributors (ie, the networks) would rather do.
Perhaps one can make a case for movies, which don't have commercials, but that's got some gigantic barriers to digital distribution too.
I'm hoping for a 32GB iPod touch, because I want one, and there's a 32GB Creative on the way or maybe out now. As for HD formats, they will support HD downloads on iTunes and Apple TV, not either of the discs while they are both fighting over who is best. New MBP's are due for the keyboard reasons posted before, maybe MacBooks but they just got the 2.2 and new graphics so maybe not quite yet. Mac Pro is due an update. Mac mini and Apple TV get combined into one model of media/TV Mac.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Its funny you say that.. what i red just earlier is "Porn industry snuggling up to Blu-ray"
"it may very well become a decisive force to move the porn industry closer to Blu-ray – due to the fact that, because of the PS3, there are millions of Blu-ray players in the market right now, compared to hundreds of thousands of HD DVD players."
Sony is going to win a format war for once. haha. but this is very interesting.. i personally want one or the other to win.... FAST. my local "Video Ezy" has some great titles there some are in HD-DVD that i want to watch and others are in Blu-Ray... if blu ray is the winner im going to get a PS3 for sure. because i do love the simulation games on the PlayStation: i normally play grand Turismo 2,3,4 and i think 5 is on the PS3 dont quote me on that i dont know for sure. i have not been folllowing the PS3 because they were $1000 a peice.
Its funny you say that.. what i red just earlier is "Porn industry snuggling up to Blu-ray"
"it may very well become a decisive force to move the porn industry closer to Blu-ray ? due to the fact that, because of the PS3, there are millions of Blu-ray players in the market right now, compared to hundreds of thousands of HD DVD players."
Sony is going to win a format war for once. haha. but this is very interesting.. i personally want one or the other to win.... FAST. my local "Video Ezy" has some great titles there some are in HD-DVD that i want to watch and others are in Blu-Ray... if blu ray is the winner im going to get a PS3 for sure. because i do love the simulation games on the PlayStation: i normally play grand Turismo 2,3,4 and i think 5 is on the PS3 dont quote me on that i dont know for sure. i have not been folllowing the PS3 because they were $1000 a peice.
I am a manager for GameStop. The PS3 is not selling very well, especially when compared to the XBOX360. The only reason I mention this is the fact that there are hundreds of thousands MORE 360's in people's homes than there are PS3's, and Microsoft gives their customers the option of buying an HD DVD player that attaches to their XBOX instead of making them buy it built in. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if there are more BLU RAY players out there right now, if SONY treats the porn industry the same way they did when SONY was championing BETAMAX, porn will stay HD. Regardless, If SONY chooses NOT to snuggle up to porn, that is 1/3 of the DVD's sold that they wont have any part of, no matter how many PS3's or standalone Blu Ray players they sell.
And one other note: Sony has shot themselves in the foot once again. The new 40GB version of the PS3 is now up to an approximate 50-60% failure rate. So don't buy that model, whatever you do... Also Gran Tourismo 5 is not out yet... They have not announced a firm date on it yet...
I don't think Apple will integrate either HD format, regardless of Disney/Pixar going with Blu-Ray, until one format wins out over the other. I'm interested to see whether or not the porn industry will decide the winning format like they did when VHS and Betamax were at war. The adult film industry chose VHS, and I don't know about you, but I never owned a Betamax.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Either way, Apple will not integrate until they know what the winning format is. They're not stupid. They will not create a product that could be unusable in a year. One of the greatest things about a Mac is being able keep and use the same machine long after it should have been retired. I am writing this on an iBook G4 1GHz and I am just now NEEDING to replace it.
Foolishness. The porn industry will not be a deciding factor in a format war because a ridiculous amount of people now access pornography through the internet. I just don't see that industry having the distribution power any longer to have that kind of influence. Additionally, the genre has been, by and large, inflitrated by low-budget gonzo-types that don't even offer hard-format copies. 1/3 isn't enough.
I don't really see an end to this format war. I have yet to see either blue ray or hdvd on a screen where it would make a difference; dvd is clear enough for me (of course, that's what I said about vhs back in 1998 when some slimey video-rental clerk tried to sell us dvd players for $800).
That said, however, I see blu ray having an advantage becuse I simply hear about it more often.
And one other note: Sony has shot themselves in the foot once again. The new 40GB version of the PS3 is now up to an approximate 50-60% failure rate. So don't buy that model, whatever you do... Also Gran Tourismo 5 is not out yet... They have not announced a firm date on it yet...
Sony has always done it's self a good job in shooting its self in the foot.
hehe. the reason I thought Blu-RAY would win this war is because there are many Blu-ray players. this is an opinion. but the PS3 my personal choice for a console so therefor I would buy Blu-Ray movies and thats it. I dont have to money to pay for a HDDVD player and a BLU-RAY player. I dont want to be bothered to deal with this.
But if I get a PS3 and there is a video for HDDVD only... ill just download it. because costs outwiegh the benefits. I have no intrest of Buying a xBox360(no intrest of any games) I personally dislike the controler im just used to the PS3 cntroller. call me a fan boy. I dont care.
but these are my opinoins.
And im sure many consumers would have the same feelings as I do once we have chosen a platform many wont leave so this format war will be long and hard.
I wonder, is nintendo will take sides for movie support? that could turn the tide? I doubt
Sony has always done it's self a good job in shooting its self in the foot.
hehe. the reason I thought Blu-RAY would win this war is because there are many Blu-ray players. this is an opinion. but the PS3 my personal choice for a console so therefor I would buy Blu-Ray movies and thats it.
Apple being independent of the studios really doesn't have to choose all they need to do is to implement a multi format reader. Such machines are on the market so frankly I see this idea of a war between formats as being a bit overblown. If your drive can read both then there is no war.
That aside I think Apple relationship with Disney is not to be underestimated.
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I dont have to money to pay for a HDDVD player and a BLU-RAY player. I dont want to be bothered to deal with this.
The easiest way for he majority of people to avoid the bother is too have a multi formant reader as mentioned above. This doesn't do you any good if you already have a single formant drive but is something to consider for the future.
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But if I get a PS3 and there is a video for HDDVD only... ill just download it. because costs outwiegh the benefits. I have no intrest of Buying a xBox360(no intrest of any games) I personally dislike the controler im just used to the PS3 cntroller. call me a fan boy. I dont care.
but these are my opinoins.
We all have opinions. In my case the reason I don't have a PS3 is that Sony blew it as far as making the hardware available to Linux. Again this is an opinion but Sony has let its preoccupation with DRM and o0ther access controls sink the PS3. The PS3 could have been the ultimate home media PC, able to handle everything from games to DVR functions with a little Linux thrown in. Instead it has become a machine that doesn't do any of those tasks really well.
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And im sure many consumers would have the same feelings as I do once we have chosen a platform many wont leave so this format war will be long and hard.
Again I don't see for a need to concentrate on this artificial war. The problem will simply go away as more and more Hi Def equipment becomes multiformat.
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I wonder, is nintendo will take sides for movie support? that could turn the tide? I doubt
Considering Nintendo is one of the smarter manufactures going I suspect that they will do one of two things. Go multiformat or buy into completely different technology and ignore the movie industry. There is good reason to ignore the movie industry too as they are part of the reason Sony has screwed up the PS3.
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In any event I won't predict which way Apple will go only that I'm really hoping the drives a multiformat as readers. Anything less is a mistake in my mind.
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
Not to mention, all of the 22" monitors today use the inferior TN panel technology. I'm not even sure if there are any PVA or IPS 22" panels.
But Apple is already buying 20" TN panels for the iMac, so I guess it's not too much of a leap for them to switch to the cheaper panels. More profit for them.
We all have opinions. In my case the reason I don't have a PS3 is that Sony blew it as far as making the hardware available to Linux. Again this is an opinion but Sony has let its preoccupation with DRM and o0ther access controls sink the PS3. The PS3 could have been the ultimate home media PC, able to handle everything from games to DVR functions with a little Linux thrown in. Instead it has become a machine that doesn't do any of those tasks really well.
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How do you know that? Didn't you just say you don't have a PS3? I have to assume you have not tried to develop your personal linux OS for the PS3. AFAIAC it can do all the things you mentioned, and we already know the BR encryption has been broken.
I think maybe you stepped outside of your own RDF there.
How do you know that? Didn't you just say you don't have a PS3? I have to assume you have not tried to develop your personal linux OS for the PS3. AFAIAC it can do all the things you mentioned, and we already know the BR encryption has been broken.
I think maybe you stepped outside of your own RDF there.
Lat I knew the various Linux distro did not have access to the GPU. That is a big issue in my book as it limits excessively what the PS 3 could do as a HT PC. Now I could be wrong about the GPU as I gave up on the PS3 about mid year, but I've seen nothing to indicate that they have eliminated this one glaring issue.
Believe me I was very taken by the capability of PS3 and the idea of Linux on it. The primary use would have been as a HT PC. But like it I said it is unfortunate that SONY let its DRM preoccupation sink the PS3. I'm not sure what surprises you here as it is pretty obvious that SONY has intentionally limited the access that Linux has on the machine.
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resolution is the main reason, 22" LCDs soon will be become standard and 20" will disappear like 17" did
19" - 1440 x 900
22" - 1680x1050 - i suggested this a year ago, but that time it was expensive - now u can get for $225
24" - 1900x1200 - (27" is still expensive so 24" will rule for a while)
but then again, not sure how much $$$ apple needs to redesign 20" casing to 22" casing...
Choosing products should be easy to use too. Therefore the current situation is a much better choice for Apple, and for its consumers.
I think MB, MBP, MM, iMac and MP updates will be boring, and don't rate a big splash anymore. If they announce something, like a MP Penryn-based update, I think it'll be pretty low key 10 minutes with one demo. A press release may be just as good.
For sure, Jobs will review Apple's 2007 financials, market share, units sold, etc., for at least 30 minutes. It's deserved.
For a bigger 2008 (financially, marketshare, etc), what can they do?
An actual low end laptop and desktop (with monitor) in the $600 to $800 range? It could double market share, but I think they are perfectly fine with only shipping products >$1000 which get them good profit margins. Even the Mac mini is a $1000+ product if you want to buy an Apple monitor to come with it.
I think Jobs will announce a new iPhone much in the same vein as he's announced a new Macintosh before, where it's an operating system update providing the "new" part. The iPhone could easily be new with a Leopard update to the iPhone OS X, a SDK, and more computer-like abilities. I think an announcement with Microsoft for Exchange Server and Outlook sync would warrant a big splash, but they goes against Apple's anti-MS formats push. I wonder which camp Jobs was in in that battle. So, new iPhone OS X update yes. Outlook/Exchange support, not yet.
I think something about digital media has to be said, such movie rentals, more DRM-free music, etc. Something along those lines. It could be offering free TV, video, movies with embedded commercials. So 30 minutes there. Too bad that can't rip DVDs like CDs. That'll make iPods and AppleTV sell more.
The iPhone lineup has to expand, but I don't think they are ready. A $500 16 GB iPhone (USA only) is possible. That's the likeliest thing, 50/50. A cheaper $200 iPhone or a 3G iPhone stills seems 6 months away.
A tablet I think is an answer searching for a problem right now. A PDA sized iPhone or iPod touch with 4-5 inch screen could be interesting, but it'll need EDGE/HSPDA and business use. Apple isn't ready to be an enterprise company. They may never want too. The consumer market for it seems pretty small. So I predict no.
The super thin MB or MBP? I think it is 50/50. Just an addition to the lineup with about 250k units per quarter at $1699 or $1799.
A revised AppleTV? Hmmm. I think the video dream has died. People would rather watch free entertainment that has commercials rather than pay for entertainment that doesn't have commercials. Music is the exception with it only being 5 minutes long. TV, thats 45 minutes and people can tolerate 10 minutes of commercials interspersed. What does that mean for AppleTV. If Apple has the free video content, AppleTV can live and be great. If Apple doesn't have the content, it'll die. So, they need to make deal with the content providers about putting commercials into the videos.
I'll ponder some more later...
resolution is the main reason, 22" LCDs soon will be become standard and 20" will disappear like 17" did
22" - 1680x1050 - i suggested this a year ago, but that time it was expensive - now u can get for
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
When the switch was made to 17" to 20"s the pixel pitch of the 17" wasn't carried over to the 20" - in fact the 20"s are widescreen.
There's no way that Apple's going to let its current design for the MacBook Pro linger another revision...here's why:
— Apple is NOT shipping Leopard pre-installed on the MacBook Pro unless you have ordered a 2.6GHz CTO
— The keyboard ... Apple's clearly moving in another direction with their keyboards as evidenced by the one that's shipping with the new aluminum and glass iMacs. They also have re-arranged the keyboard layout but have yet to do so on the MacBook Pro. Hmm....
— I am typing this on a current MacBook Pro. The hinge is incapable of tilting the display back too far. It fucking sucks. Fucking sucks. I said it twice because that's how much it really pisses me off. BAD design.
— The design itself will be five years old this January. It needs an overhaul. Period.
And I won't even get into the multitude of other MacBook Pros issues that I have had...
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
When the switch was made to 17" to 20"s the pixel pitch of the 17" wasn't carried over to the 20" - in fact the 20"s are widescreen.
i agree on the pixel pitch, but 22" is becoming standard over 20", and over the period of time i guess it will be cheap compared to 20"
i agree on the pixel pitch, but 22" is becoming standard over 20"
Not quite yet though. Whenever a respectable company does a review of "affordable" monitors, it is 20". It is not a price thing, because they test $285 20" screens. 22" start at $299 in stores (online is cheaper), so I think they would've put those on.
I have a 1900x1200 23" ACD and I love it. I would NEVER put it down to the same resolution as my MB. Once a 1900x1200 22" is standard, then the 22" will take over the 20"
A revised AppleTV? Hmmm. I think the video dream has died. People would rather watch free entertainment that has commercials rather than pay for entertainment that doesn't have commercials. Music is the exception with it only being 5 minutes long. TV, thats 45 minutes and people can tolerate 10 minutes of commercials interspersed. What does that mean for AppleTV. If Apple has the free video content, AppleTV can live and be great. If Apple doesn't have the content, it'll die. So, they need to make deal with the content providers about putting commercials into the videos.
I'll ponder some more later...
Disagree with this. TV with commercials interspersed is extremely annoying. I think there is a growing number of people like myself who will go to great lengths to avoid those little bees buzzing in your ear every seven minutes or so. If anyone can do this right, it could be Apple. Hopefully data gleaned from engaging in a "hobby" will inform the next steps.
Now that it's confirmed that Steve is giving the keynote, let's start speculating what's going to be announced at MWSF.
Now: The Mac
- "Mac market share is continuing to skyrocket"
- Blu-ray Disc now available on select iMac and MacBook Pro models
- New Apple ATSC/CableCard Tuner: Plugs into FireWire port of any Intel-based Mac, integrates with Front Row, $149
Oh, and one more thing...- "People have been asking for a subnotebook from us for years. But we didn't want to compromise anything."
- Two and a half years in the making... the MacBook nano
- True full featured subnotebook, 0.7" thick, less than 3 pounds, Intel Core 2 Duo
- Aluminum design with carbon fiber frame.. extremely durable
- Choice of 160 GB 1.8" hard drive (a la iPod) or 32/64 GB SSD
- 13.3" LED backlit widescreen
- And it still has an optical drive!
- Priced from $1899
(Note to mods: when it's time, move into the Temporary Insanity forum.)I don't think Apple will integrate either HD format, regardless of Disney/Pixar going with Blu-Ray, until one format wins out over the other. I'm interested to see whether or not the porn industry will decide the winning format like they did when VHS and Betamax were at war. The adult film industry chose VHS, and I don't know about you, but I never owned a Betamax.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Either way, Apple will not integrate until they know what the winning format is. They're not stupid. They will not create a product that could be unusable in a year. One of the greatest things about a Mac is being able keep and use the same machine long after it should have been retired. I am writing this on an iBook G4 1GHz and I am just now NEEDING to replace it.
There's no way that Apple's going to let its current design for the MacBook Pro linger another revision...here's why:
? Apple is NOT shipping Leopard pre-installed on the MacBook Pro unless you have ordered a 2.6GHz CTO
? The keyboard ... Apple's clearly moving in another direction with their keyboards as evidenced by the one that's shipping with the new aluminum and glass iMacs. They also have re-arranged the keyboard layout but have yet to do so on the MacBook Pro. Hmm....
? I am typing this on a current MacBook Pro. The hinge is incapable of tilting the display back too far. It fucking sucks. Fucking sucks. I said it twice because that's how much it really pisses me off. BAD design.
? The design itself will be five years old this January. It needs an overhaul. Period.
And I won't even get into the multitude of other MacBook Pros issues that I have had...
Well, I wouldn't be surprised that the MBP enclosures will be updated and that it'll ship with mobile Penryn in a couple of months. My comment about it was, how exciting is it really going to be in the grand scheme of things? Especially compared to the iPhone. I don't think it'll be that exciting. A new superthin laptop, the MacBook thin as it were, could be pretty exciting as it could be the first to utilize a multi-touch UI, assuming a killer use could be found for it. But I'm not so sure about that.
However, I think an iPhone OS-X upgrade to Leopard, an iPhone software upgrade like push email, or anything related to digital media distribution will rate far higher on the RDF scale as it drives sales, marketshare increasing sales, of Apple's new cell phone and sales of its traditional devices (Macs). A MBP refresh is really more about maintaining MPB sales. That's why the current aluminum enclosure has been fine for a long awhile. I do think competitors are catching up and think Apple will respond.
I also empathize with your frustration about the screen folding limitations and hopefully Apple can produce an equally stylish and robust folding mechanism for future laptops.
Disagree with this. TV with commercials interspersed is extremely annoying. I think there is a growing number of people like myself who will go to great lengths to avoid those little bees buzzing in your ear every seven minutes or so. If anyone can do this right, it could be Apple. Hopefully data gleaned from engaging in a "hobby" will inform the next steps.
I think it is already over and video with commercials have already one. It is the way people have been consuming TV for many many years, and will be much more profitable than people buying the videos.
Apple can have all the content for $2 or $10 movies they want. The real profit center is advertising and eyeballs. Many many more people will watch a video for free than people will download to own for $2. The money the content provider receives from advertisers for say a video that is viewed 10 million times will be a lot more than Apple selling 10 million copes of a video. It seems obvious to me that this is what the content distributors (ie, the networks) would rather do.
Perhaps one can make a case for movies, which don't have commercials, but that's got some gigantic barriers to digital distribution too.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Its funny you say that.. what i red just earlier is "Porn industry snuggling up to Blu-ray"
"it may very well become a decisive force to move the porn industry closer to Blu-ray – due to the fact that, because of the PS3, there are millions of Blu-ray players in the market right now, compared to hundreds of thousands of HD DVD players."
Sony is going to win a format war for once. haha. but this is very interesting.. i personally want one or the other to win.... FAST. my local "Video Ezy" has some great titles there some are in HD-DVD that i want to watch and others are in Blu-Ray... if blu ray is the winner im going to get a PS3 for sure. because i do love the simulation games on the PlayStation: i normally play grand Turismo 2,3,4 and i think 5 is on the PS3 dont quote me on that i dont know for sure. i have not been folllowing the PS3 because they were $1000 a peice.
oh and my quotes were source from TGDaily.com
Link: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35363/98/
Its funny you say that.. what i red just earlier is "Porn industry snuggling up to Blu-ray"
"it may very well become a decisive force to move the porn industry closer to Blu-ray ? due to the fact that, because of the PS3, there are millions of Blu-ray players in the market right now, compared to hundreds of thousands of HD DVD players."
Sony is going to win a format war for once. haha. but this is very interesting.. i personally want one or the other to win.... FAST. my local "Video Ezy" has some great titles there some are in HD-DVD that i want to watch and others are in Blu-Ray... if blu ray is the winner im going to get a PS3 for sure. because i do love the simulation games on the PlayStation: i normally play grand Turismo 2,3,4 and i think 5 is on the PS3 dont quote me on that i dont know for sure. i have not been folllowing the PS3 because they were $1000 a peice.
oh and my quotes were source from TGDaily.com
Link: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35363/98/
I am a manager for GameStop. The PS3 is not selling very well, especially when compared to the XBOX360. The only reason I mention this is the fact that there are hundreds of thousands MORE 360's in people's homes than there are PS3's, and Microsoft gives their customers the option of buying an HD DVD player that attaches to their XBOX instead of making them buy it built in. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if there are more BLU RAY players out there right now, if SONY treats the porn industry the same way they did when SONY was championing BETAMAX, porn will stay HD. Regardless, If SONY chooses NOT to snuggle up to porn, that is 1/3 of the DVD's sold that they wont have any part of, no matter how many PS3's or standalone Blu Ray players they sell.
And one other note: Sony has shot themselves in the foot once again. The new 40GB version of the PS3 is now up to an approximate 50-60% failure rate. So don't buy that model, whatever you do... Also Gran Tourismo 5 is not out yet... They have not announced a firm date on it yet...
I don't think Apple will integrate either HD format, regardless of Disney/Pixar going with Blu-Ray, until one format wins out over the other. I'm interested to see whether or not the porn industry will decide the winning format like they did when VHS and Betamax were at war. The adult film industry chose VHS, and I don't know about you, but I never owned a Betamax.
The Adult Film industry decided to go with HD instead of Blu Ray, and reportedly 1/3 of all DVD sales every year are porno.
Either way, Apple will not integrate until they know what the winning format is. They're not stupid. They will not create a product that could be unusable in a year. One of the greatest things about a Mac is being able keep and use the same machine long after it should have been retired. I am writing this on an iBook G4 1GHz and I am just now NEEDING to replace it.
Foolishness. The porn industry will not be a deciding factor in a format war because a ridiculous amount of people now access pornography through the internet. I just don't see that industry having the distribution power any longer to have that kind of influence. Additionally, the genre has been, by and large, inflitrated by low-budget gonzo-types that don't even offer hard-format copies. 1/3 isn't enough.
I don't really see an end to this format war. I have yet to see either blue ray or hdvd on a screen where it would make a difference; dvd is clear enough for me (of course, that's what I said about vhs back in 1998 when some slimey video-rental clerk tried to sell us dvd players for $800).
That said, however, I see blu ray having an advantage becuse I simply hear about it more often.
And one other note: Sony has shot themselves in the foot once again. The new 40GB version of the PS3 is now up to an approximate 50-60% failure rate. So don't buy that model, whatever you do... Also Gran Tourismo 5 is not out yet... They have not announced a firm date on it yet...
Sony has always done it's self a good job in shooting its self in the foot.
hehe. the reason I thought Blu-RAY would win this war is because there are many Blu-ray players. this is an opinion. but the PS3 my personal choice for a console so therefor I would buy Blu-Ray movies and thats it. I dont have to money to pay for a HDDVD player and a BLU-RAY player. I dont want to be bothered to deal with this.
But if I get a PS3 and there is a video for HDDVD only... ill just download it. because costs outwiegh the benefits. I have no intrest of Buying a xBox360(no intrest of any games) I personally dislike the controler im just used to the PS3 cntroller. call me a fan boy. I dont care.
but these are my opinoins.
And im sure many consumers would have the same feelings as I do once we have chosen a platform many wont leave so this format war will be long and hard.
I wonder, is nintendo will take sides for movie support? that could turn the tide? I doubt
Anyways.
~Name101
Sony has always done it's self a good job in shooting its self in the foot.
hehe. the reason I thought Blu-RAY would win this war is because there are many Blu-ray players. this is an opinion. but the PS3 my personal choice for a console so therefor I would buy Blu-Ray movies and thats it.
Apple being independent of the studios really doesn't have to choose all they need to do is to implement a multi format reader. Such machines are on the market so frankly I see this idea of a war between formats as being a bit overblown. If your drive can read both then there is no war.
That aside I think Apple relationship with Disney is not to be underestimated.
I dont have to money to pay for a HDDVD player and a BLU-RAY player. I dont want to be bothered to deal with this.
The easiest way for he majority of people to avoid the bother is too have a multi formant reader as mentioned above. This doesn't do you any good if you already have a single formant drive but is something to consider for the future.
But if I get a PS3 and there is a video for HDDVD only... ill just download it. because costs outwiegh the benefits. I have no intrest of Buying a xBox360(no intrest of any games) I personally dislike the controler im just used to the PS3 cntroller. call me a fan boy. I dont care.
but these are my opinoins.
We all have opinions. In my case the reason I don't have a PS3 is that Sony blew it as far as making the hardware available to Linux. Again this is an opinion but Sony has let its preoccupation with DRM and o0ther access controls sink the PS3. The PS3 could have been the ultimate home media PC, able to handle everything from games to DVR functions with a little Linux thrown in. Instead it has become a machine that doesn't do any of those tasks really well.
And im sure many consumers would have the same feelings as I do once we have chosen a platform many wont leave so this format war will be long and hard.
Again I don't see for a need to concentrate on this artificial war. The problem will simply go away as more and more Hi Def equipment becomes multiformat.
I wonder, is nintendo will take sides for movie support? that could turn the tide? I doubt
Considering Nintendo is one of the smarter manufactures going I suspect that they will do one of two things. Go multiformat or buy into completely different technology and ignore the movie industry. There is good reason to ignore the movie industry too as they are part of the reason Sony has screwed up the PS3.
Anyways.
~Name101
In any event I won't predict which way Apple will go only that I'm really hoping the drives a multiformat as readers. Anything less is a mistake in my mind.
Dave
Hell no. Nearly all current 20"s (including mine) are 1680x1050. Your suggestion would be downgrading those monitors to an inferior pixel pitch. Pixel pitch has been improving lately (see Macbooks), why would you suggest it go the other way? 22" monitors need to die. 20" = sharper image = win.
Not to mention, all of the 22" monitors today use the inferior TN panel technology. I'm not even sure if there are any PVA or IPS 22" panels.
But Apple is already buying 20" TN panels for the iMac, so I guess it's not too much of a leap for them to switch to the cheaper panels. More profit for them.
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We all have opinions. In my case the reason I don't have a PS3 is that Sony blew it as far as making the hardware available to Linux. Again this is an opinion but Sony has let its preoccupation with DRM and o0ther access controls sink the PS3. The PS3 could have been the ultimate home media PC, able to handle everything from games to DVR functions with a little Linux thrown in. Instead it has become a machine that doesn't do any of those tasks really well.
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How do you know that? Didn't you just say you don't have a PS3?
I think maybe you stepped outside of your own RDF there.
How do you know that? Didn't you just say you don't have a PS3?
I think maybe you stepped outside of your own RDF there.
Lat I knew the various Linux distro did not have access to the GPU. That is a big issue in my book as it limits excessively what the PS 3 could do as a HT PC. Now I could be wrong about the GPU as I gave up on the PS3 about mid year, but I've seen nothing to indicate that they have eliminated this one glaring issue.
Believe me I was very taken by the capability of PS3 and the idea of Linux on it. The primary use would have been as a HT PC. But like it I said it is unfortunate that SONY let its DRM preoccupation sink the PS3. I'm not sure what surprises you here as it is pretty obvious that SONY has intentionally limited the access that Linux has on the machine.
Dave