I work in the advertising industry and we have a saying that "poor innovation leads to heavy advertising" - I think this applies to MS and this advert so clearly...
Where I am, I barely ever see any adverts for PC's. Occasionally a TV advert for Dell, and if I look in the PC magazines I see a whole bunch. the vast majority of the media advertising around computers are Apples, especially their current push over their green notebooks. COnstant, heavy tv adverting and in print advertising. thats without even touching on the constant iPod touch adverts.
If poor innovation leads to heavy advertising, where does this leave Apple?
I laugh when Apple fanboys tell me that Apple hardware is better, what a f*cking joke. Apple doesn't make the processor, nor does Apple make the hard drive, nor does Apple make the optical disc drive, nor does Apple make the RAM. The Microsoft computers have lots of components that are IDENTICAL as the Apple computers...and only FOOLS believe otherwise.
AI doesn't post a story every time Apple has a new ad out. Why are they doing it, 3 times now, for MS ads? They're flamebaiting for traffic. Seriously, AI, grow up.
Every one of these articles/threads are going to be identical... rinse-and-repeat bickering that changes nobody's mind.
BTW, it's also weak to accuse the new posters of all being paid MS marketers. That's the result of AI's flamebaiting in the first place. Thank AI for it.
Anyway... these ads are kind of lame, mainly because they preach to the choir. Apple's Mac ads did the same thing for a long time too... until the "I'm a Mac" campaign, which was their first successful one in many years (hence why it's still running while all others were short-lived).
MS's campaign will be as short-lived as Apple's failed ones too.
Move on, AI. Your Apple stories are a lot more productive than your Microsoft ones.
yeah, and you completely ignore the fact that he loves Apples as well. just because someone is open minded enough to like both companies at the same time does not make them a troll. if they made a "i like apple and microsoft forum" then people like us would have a different place to go. but there isnt one, not one with any traffic anyway.
for now you'll just have to deal with us sound minded "trolls" and deal with having to read both sides to every story...
His point is that saying that the only reason Apple is any good is because they have to compete so hard with Microsoft is offensive. Microsoft has been behind Apple for years in terms of innovation and features and consistency in UI design.
Add to that the fact that Windows 1.0 was what modern copyright law would call source code theft and you can't expect a rational person not to get angry.
Regardless of everything else, Apple was treated as a lesser company than Microsoft and that's what angered him. Playing it down the center is not open minded, it's unprincipled.
I laugh when Apple fanboys tell me that Apple hardware is better, what a f*cking joke. Apple doesn't make the processor, nor does Apple make the hard drive, nor does Apple make the optical disc drive, nor does Apple make the RAM. The Microsoft computers have lots of components that are IDENTICAL as the Apple computers...and only FOOLS believe otherwise.
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You are seriously nihilistic. No company on the face of the earth produces all of its components. However, some manufacturers use higher quality materials and test their systems better. You can easily find a computer with better specs and a lower price than some of Lenovo's units, but I dare you to quality test them. Go ahead, try a Dell, I doubt the OS was even installed correctly before shipping as has been the case on many Mini 10s.
Hardware is only as good as the operating system it runs on and that Fisher Price joke Windows will be dead within ten years. Apple and Google are gonna kill Microsoft without even trying. I laugh when Windows fanboys push their egocentric communist ideals upon the world.
AI doesn't post a story every time Apple has a new ad out. Why are they doing it, 3 times now, for MS ads? They're flamebaiting for traffic. Seriously, AI, grow up.
Every one of these articles/threads are going to be identical... rinse-and-repeat bickering that changes nobody's mind.
BTW, it's also weak to accuse the new posters of all being paid MS marketers. That's the result of AI's flamebaiting in the first place. Thank AI for it.
Anyway... these ads are kind of lame, mainly because they preach to the choir. Apple's Mac ads did the same thing for a long time too... until the "I'm a Mac" campaign, which was their first successful one in many years (hence why it's still running while all others were short-lived).
MS's campaign will be as short-lived as Apple's failed ones too.
Move on, AI. Your Apple stories are a lot more productive than your Microsoft ones.
There's this thing called advertising revenue that websites live on. Flame baiting increases such revenue by attracting web traffic. Again, all of you need to learn economics. Stop getting so prissy over things that keep websites like these running.
I use a HP desktop at work (fortunately running Linux). On that machine and several others sold by HP (though I haven't bothered to look up the machine in this add) HP has crippled the Intel VT and AMD SVM technology that allows hardware virtualization. This ad campaign is ridiculous.
There's this thing called advertising revenue that websites live on. Flame baiting increases such revenue by attracting web traffic. Again, all of you need to learn economics. Stop getting so prissy over things that keep websites like these running.
Don't be so presumptuous to assume we don't know why they're flamebaiting.
ok just to set the record straight on the macbook pro 15's battery ... it pretty much sucks. i get 3.5 hours out of it if i'm lucky, with almost everything shut down, the discrete graphics turned off, and the screen only illuminated to 2 bars. i've never gotten over 4 hours in this configuration, even when the machine was new.
yes i called apple and went through the battery checking processes ... the battery is fine. it's just that the 5 hour claim on the battery is practically unachievable. what's pathetic is that mac shaved off just a little of the battery to make the mbpro thinner and weigh less. and now i just end up using my macbook white all the time, whose 2.4 ghz processor and 4gb of ram is just fine for me ... and whose battery life is more like 5.5 hours with the same behavior. i can't even leave the house with my macbook pro without taking the adapter and worrying about it.
obviously, they should have released that "breakthrough battery" -- read: more marketing gimmickry from apple as there is nothing revolutionary about the 17's battery besides the fact that it's just really effin' big -- as at least at option for the 15's. of course they wouldn't because they like to artificially make barriers between their products so they don't compete with each other. case in point: the macbook white and the new regular macbook. ironically, apple's reasoning for downplaying the white and having people shell out extra coin is coupled with the "it's your duty to be green" rhetoric their current ads are forcing upon us, but isn't this the company who made a name for itself marketing sexy plastic? wasn't and (and isn't) that old macbook white still one of their best sellers? come on, i drive a prius ... i'm green. now give me what i want.
apple people ... stop being such fanbois ... if you l like the hardware and the OS, buy the stuff ... heck even pay more for it. but don't go thinking that jobs is a god and his hardware descended from heaven. he's not and it didn't.
You pretty much suck too. You want us to believe in you and not in like... everyone else?
Why not compare the HP, to the white MB that Apple still sells, that also has DDR2-667 MHz RAM and a 1066 MHz FSB?
I'm not sure if that would benefit HP or Apple more, but it's not like HP isn't the only one pairing a new C2D with older DDR2. And I'm not even sure how important DDR3 vs DDR2 is current laptops, desktops with faster RAM and lower latencies may see more of a difference, but laptops are generally slower than desktops no matter what.
Although the HP does have the Geforce 9600M, which Apple only offers on the MBP. And the article does mention that he did choose Vista 64-bit, but that's a 64-bit OS now, while Apple is still using a 32-bit kernel and PAE, until Snow Leopard, but it's still not a true 64-bit OS ATM.
It seems DDR3 makes sense only on new Intel i7 platform. Intel Core 2 (both Duo and Quad) as well as new AMD Phenom II simply do not benefit from DDR3 memory - difference is hardly measurable at all; specially with low speed DDR3 modules which - I think - Apple is currently using in iMacs and Macbooks..?
Everyone here is obviously biased. I have both a Mac and a PC, and Macs can't do everything a PC can without running the Mac AS the PC... and PC's are not as reliable as Macs because Macs are built to run fine exactly as-is and is restricted to a bunch of Apple anti-consumer licensing... So they are equal but on different levels.
Quit pretending that Mac is better. They are the same.
Maybe because it is THE DEVELOPERS FAULT, NOT APPLE'S?! There are tons and tons of reasons why Macs are superior. But you know, there are so many people creating accounts just to bash Apple with no proof (or wrong arguments) that I'm going to start replying to those losers! If you want to know these reasons, check my replies!
I hope Apple wakes up and realizes they don't need to extort such high prices for their hardware. Any company that has $18 billion in the bank has way too much profit margin!
Stupid Ad. I hope M$ wakes up and realizes that they are DOOMED. Apple doesn't need to be cheap to sell Macs.
Apple and M$ both suck royally ..........if Giampaolo was really tech savy he would picked computer and installed linux on top of it ...........only thing windows is good for is playing games and apple is good for showing off that beautiful aluminium case .......just buy core 17 latpot from acer with no OS and install linux didtro like ubuntu on it ........... linux is for people who actually want things to works .......like 20,000 google staff uses linux distro called gobuntu ........besides linux powering thier servers .even apple insider runs on linux
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Do you FOOKING KNOW what the new Mac Pro Xeons are?
Precision-made, noble silicon based, ECC supporting and much faster i7s. The entire Mac platform is going to move to Nehalem the next update, so PLEASE, stop using i7 as a OMG-THATS-FAST factor.
Plus, Linux isn't nearly as good as OS X, and has a software variety that would make 1999's Apple seem huge.
It may be stable and all, but WHAT are you gonna do with it?
iLife is free; so is Open Office-available for all. For that matter, it's widely known, at least outside of the Mac circle, that one can find open source apps for nearly all your needs on your PC. So I'd advise looking for another argument than the software niche.
I went into an apple store on the Central Coast in California, looked at a macbook air, and asked the salesguy, "why does one macbook air have flash memory for storage, and the other have a hard drive?" He paused, looked at the spec sheets, said, "hmmm...that's a good queistion....I don't know."
We had actually gone into the apple store looking for a replacement battery for my wife's three year old G4 iBook; battery life is down to less than 10 minutes unplugged.
iLife isn't supposed to have Office programs. So, all of the following non-sense you say just turned into a confirmed non-sense. How can you expect me to believe all of this crazy stuff? Your credibility was killed in the very first line...
Maybe because it is THE DEVELOPERS FAULT, NOT APPLE'S?! There are tons and tons of reasons why Macs are superior. But you know, there are so many people creating accounts just to bash Apple with no proof (or wrong arguments) that I'm going to start replying to those losers! If you want to know these reasons, check my replies!
Your posts as well as MANY others are the reason I created an account.
Consumer choice is why "M$" will be around for a long long time. Not all of us think we will be movie producer the second we buy a Mac.
Most PC users are running programs that Mac simply doesn't have. I.E.- Anything from Autodesk. You know, the programs that probably designed the building you're sitting in.
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I work in the advertising industry and we have a saying that "poor innovation leads to heavy advertising" - I think this applies to MS and this advert so clearly...
Where I am, I barely ever see any adverts for PC's. Occasionally a TV advert for Dell, and if I look in the PC magazines I see a whole bunch. the vast majority of the media advertising around computers are Apples, especially their current push over their green notebooks. COnstant, heavy tv adverting and in print advertising. thats without even touching on the constant iPod touch adverts.
If poor innovation leads to heavy advertising, where does this leave Apple?
Gateway, excellent price:
- http://www.gateway.com/systems/serie...pid=ms_pseries
- $849, $1299, $1799 (has Q9000 which is quad-core).
- They use to sell a laptop with 1920x1200 17" LCD display in models not listed above. I own one and it is much cheaper than any Apple 17" laptop.
Alienware, always kicks ass:
- http://www.alienware.com/products/m1...de=SKU-DEFAULT
HP and SONY have lots of great models too.
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I laugh when Apple fanboys tell me that Apple hardware is better, what a f*cking joke. Apple doesn't make the processor, nor does Apple make the hard drive, nor does Apple make the optical disc drive, nor does Apple make the RAM. The Microsoft computers have lots of components that are IDENTICAL as the Apple computers...and only FOOLS believe otherwise.
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Every one of these articles/threads are going to be identical... rinse-and-repeat bickering that changes nobody's mind.
BTW, it's also weak to accuse the new posters of all being paid MS marketers. That's the result of AI's flamebaiting in the first place. Thank AI for it.
Anyway... these ads are kind of lame, mainly because they preach to the choir. Apple's Mac ads did the same thing for a long time too... until the "I'm a Mac" campaign, which was their first successful one in many years (hence why it's still running while all others were short-lived).
MS's campaign will be as short-lived as Apple's failed ones too.
Move on, AI. Your Apple stories are a lot more productive than your Microsoft ones.
yeah, and you completely ignore the fact that he loves Apples as well. just because someone is open minded enough to like both companies at the same time does not make them a troll. if they made a "i like apple and microsoft forum" then people like us would have a different place to go. but there isnt one, not one with any traffic anyway.
for now you'll just have to deal with us sound minded "trolls" and deal with having to read both sides to every story...
His point is that saying that the only reason Apple is any good is because they have to compete so hard with Microsoft is offensive. Microsoft has been behind Apple for years in terms of innovation and features and consistency in UI design.
Add to that the fact that Windows 1.0 was what modern copyright law would call source code theft and you can't expect a rational person not to get angry.
Regardless of everything else, Apple was treated as a lesser company than Microsoft and that's what angered him. Playing it down the center is not open minded, it's unprincipled.
Microsoft should easily be able to beat prices for 17" laptops.
Gateway, excellent price:
- http://www.gateway.com/systems/serie...pid=ms_pseries
- $849, $1299, $1799 (has Q9000 which is quad-core).
- They use to sell a laptop with 1920x1200 17" LCD display in models not listed above. I own one and it is much cheaper than any Apple 17" laptop.
Alienware, always kicks ass:
- http://www.alienware.com/products/m1...de=SKU-DEFAULT
HP and SONY have lots of great models too.
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I laugh when Apple fanboys tell me that Apple hardware is better, what a f*cking joke. Apple doesn't make the processor, nor does Apple make the hard drive, nor does Apple make the optical disc drive, nor does Apple make the RAM. The Microsoft computers have lots of components that are IDENTICAL as the Apple computers...and only FOOLS believe otherwise.
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You are seriously nihilistic. No company on the face of the earth produces all of its components. However, some manufacturers use higher quality materials and test their systems better. You can easily find a computer with better specs and a lower price than some of Lenovo's units, but I dare you to quality test them. Go ahead, try a Dell, I doubt the OS was even installed correctly before shipping as has been the case on many Mini 10s.
Hardware is only as good as the operating system it runs on and that Fisher Price joke Windows will be dead within ten years. Apple and Google are gonna kill Microsoft without even trying. I laugh when Windows fanboys push their egocentric communist ideals upon the world.
AI doesn't post a story every time Apple has a new ad out. Why are they doing it, 3 times now, for MS ads? They're flamebaiting for traffic. Seriously, AI, grow up.
Every one of these articles/threads are going to be identical... rinse-and-repeat bickering that changes nobody's mind.
BTW, it's also weak to accuse the new posters of all being paid MS marketers. That's the result of AI's flamebaiting in the first place. Thank AI for it.
Anyway... these ads are kind of lame, mainly because they preach to the choir. Apple's Mac ads did the same thing for a long time too... until the "I'm a Mac" campaign, which was their first successful one in many years (hence why it's still running while all others were short-lived).
MS's campaign will be as short-lived as Apple's failed ones too.
Move on, AI. Your Apple stories are a lot more productive than your Microsoft ones.
There's this thing called advertising revenue that websites live on. Flame baiting increases such revenue by attracting web traffic. Again, all of you need to learn economics. Stop getting so prissy over things that keep websites like these running.
But, if a handsome young dude says it on TV it's gotta be true, right?
I can imagine Apple's commercial team is setting up a counter strike, much like with the "V Word" ad.
Face it M$ fanboy$, chicks love macs =D
(From my Lenovo)
Thank you, and goodnight.
There's this thing called advertising revenue that websites live on. Flame baiting increases such revenue by attracting web traffic. Again, all of you need to learn economics. Stop getting so prissy over things that keep websites like these running.
Don't be so presumptuous to assume we don't know why they're flamebaiting.
ok just to set the record straight on the macbook pro 15's battery ... it pretty much sucks. i get 3.5 hours out of it if i'm lucky, with almost everything shut down, the discrete graphics turned off, and the screen only illuminated to 2 bars. i've never gotten over 4 hours in this configuration, even when the machine was new.
yes i called apple and went through the battery checking processes ... the battery is fine. it's just that the 5 hour claim on the battery is practically unachievable. what's pathetic is that mac shaved off just a little of the battery to make the mbpro thinner and weigh less. and now i just end up using my macbook white all the time, whose 2.4 ghz processor and 4gb of ram is just fine for me ... and whose battery life is more like 5.5 hours with the same behavior. i can't even leave the house with my macbook pro without taking the adapter and worrying about it.
obviously, they should have released that "breakthrough battery" -- read: more marketing gimmickry from apple as there is nothing revolutionary about the 17's battery besides the fact that it's just really effin' big -- as at least at option for the 15's. of course they wouldn't because they like to artificially make barriers between their products so they don't compete with each other. case in point: the macbook white and the new regular macbook. ironically, apple's reasoning for downplaying the white and having people shell out extra coin is coupled with the "it's your duty to be green" rhetoric their current ads are forcing upon us, but isn't this the company who made a name for itself marketing sexy plastic? wasn't and (and isn't) that old macbook white still one of their best sellers? come on, i drive a prius ... i'm green. now give me what i want.
apple people ... stop being such fanbois ... if you l like the hardware and the OS, buy the stuff ... heck even pay more for it. but don't go thinking that jobs is a god and his hardware descended from heaven. he's not and it didn't.
You pretty much suck too. You want us to believe in you and not in like... everyone else?
Why not compare the HP, to the white MB that Apple still sells, that also has DDR2-667 MHz RAM and a 1066 MHz FSB?
I'm not sure if that would benefit HP or Apple more, but it's not like HP isn't the only one pairing a new C2D with older DDR2. And I'm not even sure how important DDR3 vs DDR2 is current laptops, desktops with faster RAM and lower latencies may see more of a difference, but laptops are generally slower than desktops no matter what.
Although the HP does have the Geforce 9600M, which Apple only offers on the MBP. And the article does mention that he did choose Vista 64-bit, but that's a 64-bit OS now, while Apple is still using a 32-bit kernel and PAE, until Snow Leopard, but it's still not a true 64-bit OS ATM.
It seems DDR3 makes sense only on new Intel i7 platform. Intel Core 2 (both Duo and Quad) as well as new AMD Phenom II simply do not benefit from DDR3 memory - difference is hardly measurable at all; specially with low speed DDR3 modules which - I think - Apple is currently using in iMacs and Macbooks..?
Everyone here is obviously biased. I have both a Mac and a PC, and Macs can't do everything a PC can without running the Mac AS the PC... and PC's are not as reliable as Macs because Macs are built to run fine exactly as-is and is restricted to a bunch of Apple anti-consumer licensing... So they are equal but on different levels.
Quit pretending that Mac is better. They are the same.
Maybe because it is THE DEVELOPERS FAULT, NOT APPLE'S?! There are tons and tons of reasons why Macs are superior. But you know, there are so many people creating accounts just to bash Apple with no proof (or wrong arguments) that I'm going to start replying to those losers! If you want to know these reasons, check my replies!
If I'm not mistaking, the laptop probably has dual channel ram, meaning 533+533=1066?
I do admit commercial is cheesy tho.
And DDR3 has triple-channel RAM
Meaning 1066+1066+1066=3198, by your logic. Duh
I hope Apple wakes up and realizes they don't need to extort such high prices for their hardware. Any company that has $18 billion in the bank has way too much profit margin!
Stupid Ad. I hope M$ wakes up and realizes that they are DOOMED. Apple doesn't need to be cheap to sell Macs.
How can I get into one of your ads? Pick me, Pick me PLEASE!
Apple and M$ both suck royally ..........if Giampaolo was really tech savy he would picked computer and installed linux on top of it ...........only thing windows is good for is playing games and apple is good for showing off that beautiful aluminium case .......just buy core 17 latpot from acer with no OS and install linux didtro like ubuntu on it ........... linux is for people who actually want things to works .......like 20,000 google staff uses linux distro called gobuntu ........besides linux powering thier servers .even apple insider runs on linux
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Dont be losers choose linux today
Horrible wait to try to sell Linux.
Oh, wait...
Do you FOOKING KNOW what the new Mac Pro Xeons are?
Precision-made, noble silicon based, ECC supporting and much faster i7s. The entire Mac platform is going to move to Nehalem the next update, so PLEASE, stop using i7 as a OMG-THATS-FAST factor.
Plus, Linux isn't nearly as good as OS X, and has a software variety that would make 1999's Apple seem huge.
It may be stable and all, but WHAT are you gonna do with it?
iLife is free; so is Open Office-available for all. For that matter, it's widely known, at least outside of the Mac circle, that one can find open source apps for nearly all your needs on your PC. So I'd advise looking for another argument than the software niche.
I went into an apple store on the Central Coast in California, looked at a macbook air, and asked the salesguy, "why does one macbook air have flash memory for storage, and the other have a hard drive?" He paused, looked at the spec sheets, said, "hmmm...that's a good queistion....I don't know."
We had actually gone into the apple store looking for a replacement battery for my wife's three year old G4 iBook; battery life is down to less than 10 minutes unplugged.
iLife isn't supposed to have Office programs. So, all of the following non-sense you say just turned into a confirmed non-sense. How can you expect me to believe all of this crazy stuff? Your credibility was killed in the very first line...
Maybe because it is THE DEVELOPERS FAULT, NOT APPLE'S?! There are tons and tons of reasons why Macs are superior. But you know, there are so many people creating accounts just to bash Apple with no proof (or wrong arguments) that I'm going to start replying to those losers! If you want to know these reasons, check my replies!
Your posts as well as MANY others are the reason I created an account.
Consumer choice is why "M$" will be around for a long long time. Not all of us think we will be movie producer the second we buy a Mac.
Most PC users are running programs that Mac simply doesn't have. I.E.- Anything from Autodesk. You know, the programs that probably designed the building you're sitting in.