I have no problem to accept (or do you mean except?) that Apple has done well. Hell, I have an iPhone but then I am used to using smartphones for many, many years so I am not all a-gogga over the iPhone. It is a competent device for what it does. As I have continued to point out, in specific areas it excels while in other areas (mainly telephony, and messaging) if fails equally as bad. Hopefully 3.0 will address these issues and make the iPhone a true biz like smartphone. Until then, in my opinion it will remain an iPod with phone.
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
That's overall marketshare. I was careful to point out that the numbers that are being used by everyone else are for what matters, the smartphone marketshare.
We're not talking about the cheap, basic phones that is Nokia's main product line.
With smartphones, Nokia is doing very poorly, and is not thought to be able to maintain it's rapidly shrinking lead.
They enjoy pretty good momentum gained over past 20 years, holy juggernauts...
There's something fishy here, because all the numbers don't show this. If it were true, then Nokia's smartphone marketshare would have risen sharply during this time rather than falling sharply.
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
I've never had a problem visiting any site, and the browser crashed only once, back in October.
You post an article titled "Nokia's marketshare shrinks to 37%" to prove that they have grown.
That's exactly what I do. In the article, accounting for shrinking over the quarter, there are humble sections, which suggest the growth over the year.
That's overall marketshare. I was careful to point out that the numbers that are being used by everyone else are for what matters, the smartphone marketshare.
We're not talking about the cheap, basic phones that is Nokia's main product line.
With smartphones, Nokia is doing very poorly, and is not thought to be able to maintain it's rapidly shrinking lead.
OK, I missed that precision about smartphones only. Thanks.
There's something fishy here, because all the numbers don't show this. If it were true, then Nokia's smartphone marketshare would have risen sharply during this time rather than falling sharply.
The numbers do prove what I said. Despite all quarterly falls, Nokia's the biggest phone maker, having the marketshare approximately equal to what all others have collectively. That's how their long history in business benefits them.
The numbers do prove what I said. Despite all quartery falls, Nokia's the biggest phone maker, having the marketshare approximately equal to what all others have collectively. That's how their long history in business benefits them.
I've always thought of myself as energetic person. I'll play the "year-to-year vs. quarter-to-quarter" card.
Year to year it's down.
Remember the post where it was said that Nokia sold 13 million 5800's, and I said that something was fishy with that number? Well, it was fishy. They sold 3 million, not 13 million. I don't know where that incorrect number came from, but wherever it was, I wouldn't ever use them for information again if I was that person.
Fact is, Nokia is in trouble. I remember when Motorola was the biggest cell phone maker. At the time, no one thought they would ever get in trouble either. But look what's happened to them. It's beginning to happen to Nokia as well. They can still get out of it, but will they?
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But where has that growth been?
In Asia. In South America. That is acknowledged even by blogs having trumpeted Q4 fall.
In return, the sales saw a strong growth in Asia Pacific (134 million units) and Latin America (51.5 million units).
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without.
I have no problem to accept (or do you mean except?) that Apple has done well. Hell, I have an iPhone but then I am used to using smartphones for many, many years so I am not all a-gogga over the iPhone. It is a competent device for what it does. As I have continued to point out, in specific areas it excels while in other areas (mainly telephony, and messaging) if fails equally as bad. Hopefully 3.0 will address these issues and make the iPhone a true biz like smartphone. Until then, in my opinion it will remain an iPod with phone.
By the way, I withdraw the Jesus Phone moniker.
Yeah, I meant accept. Lack of concentration.
In Asia. In South America. That is acknowledged even by blogs having trumpeted Q4 fall.
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
That's overall marketshare. I was careful to point out that the numbers that are being used by everyone else are for what matters, the smartphone marketshare.
We're not talking about the cheap, basic phones that is Nokia's main product line.
With smartphones, Nokia is doing very poorly, and is not thought to be able to maintain it's rapidly shrinking lead.
They enjoy pretty good momentum gained over past 20 years, holy juggernauts...
There's something fishy here, because all the numbers don't show this. If it were true, then Nokia's smartphone marketshare would have risen sharply during this time rather than falling sharply.
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
I've never had a problem visiting any site, and the browser crashed only once, back in October.
You post an article titled "Nokia's marketshare shrinks to 37%" to prove that they have grown.
That's exactly what I do. In the article, accounting for shrinking over the quarter, there are humble sections, which suggest the growth over the year.
That's overall marketshare. I was careful to point out that the numbers that are being used by everyone else are for what matters, the smartphone marketshare.
We're not talking about the cheap, basic phones that is Nokia's main product line.
With smartphones, Nokia is doing very poorly, and is not thought to be able to maintain it's rapidly shrinking lead.
OK, I missed that precision about smartphones only. Thanks.
There's something fishy here, because all the numbers don't show this. If it were true, then Nokia's smartphone marketshare would have risen sharply during this time rather than falling sharply.
The numbers do prove what I said. Despite all quarterly falls, Nokia's the biggest phone maker, having the marketshare approximately equal to what all others have collectively. That's how their long history in business benefits them.
The numbers do prove what I said. Despite all quartery falls, Nokia's the biggest phone maker, having the marketshare approximately equal to what all others have collectively. That's how their long history in business benefits them.
That's also how their profits fell 90%
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/...nd_earns_nokia
That's also how their profits fell 90%
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/...nd_earns_nokia
People say that's crisis...
Guys... That's not serious... Nokia phones lose and gain occasionally more than iPhone dreams to have in 5 years...
People say that's crisis...
Guys... That's not serious... Nokia phones lose and gain occasionally more than iPhone dreams to have in 5 years...
You're going to have a tough time convincing most people that a 90% drop in profits is part of the natural ebb and flow of Nokia's business.
People say that's crisis...
Guys... That's not serious... Nokia phones lose and gain occasionally more than iPhone dreams to have in 5 years...
You're going to have a tough time convincing most people that a 90% drop in profits is part of the natural ebb and flow of Nokia's business.
I've always thought of myself as energetic person.
If your income fell 90% you would not call that a crisis?
Q-to-Q? Oh, I'll hope savings'll help...
Q-to-Q? Oh, I'll hope savings'll help...
Nokia's profits dropped year over year, which is worse trend than quarter to quarter.
Then that's crisis. No doubts....
I've always thought of myself as energetic person.
Year to year it's down.
Remember the post where it was said that Nokia sold 13 million 5800's, and I said that something was fishy with that number? Well, it was fishy. They sold 3 million, not 13 million. I don't know where that incorrect number came from, but wherever it was, I wouldn't ever use them for information again if I was that person.
This article expands on the one from Yahoo:
http://www.electronista.com/articles....2009.results/
Fact is, Nokia is in trouble. I remember when Motorola was the biggest cell phone maker. At the time, no one thought they would ever get in trouble either. But look what's happened to them. It's beginning to happen to Nokia as well. They can still get out of it, but will they?