Apple's Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard to retail for $29 in September

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  • Reply 81 of 124
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,431member
    Nice rebuttal Columbus!
  • Reply 82 of 124
    kevinn206kevinn206 Posts: 117member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PG4G View Post


    Do service packs have a complete overhaul of multithreading, a complete move to 64bit, a completely new language specification that runs GPUs as CPUs, etc?



    Maybe WIndows 7 is a good overhaul graphically and layout wise, but it seems mighty lacking in core changes. Almost everything is to improve the perceived "horribleness" of Vista.



    Windows has been fully 64-bit since Windows XP 64-bit. If anything, SL is behind Windows in terms of going fully 64-bit. Windows 7 will have DirectX 11 with Compute Shader, which does highly parallel calculations on the GPU. The graphics subsystem is much more robust allowing hybrid GPU from different vendors say ATI and NVIDIA, the ability to switch GPU on the fly without logging off since Windows Vista (something Leopard can't do), etc...
  • Reply 83 of 124
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,431member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    Windows has been fully 64-bit since Windows XP 64-bit. If anything, SL is behind Windows in terms of going fully 64-bit. Windows 7 will have DirectX 11 with Compute Shader, which does highly parallel calculations on the GPU.



    Yes but the Windows 64-bit transition wasn't without pain. My mother had to replace hardware because developers were lazy about making 64-bit drivers and Vista 64 doesn't handle mixed 32-bit/64-bit environments like Snow Leopard is expected to.



    I believe that everything Apple is working on is in some Redmond lab getting tested for Microsoft. Neither company is head and shoulders above the other where it comes to implementing newer computing paradigms IMO.



    Apple moved to Cocoa - Microsoft moved to .Net

    Apple leveraged the GPU with Quartz Extreme - Microsoft leveraged it with Aero



    I think Apple uses scripting to good effect but i'm nowhere conversant enough about scripting in Windows to even broach the subject.



    I think it really comes down to aethetics and how the applications are presented. From a functional standpoint both can do the same things overall
  • Reply 84 of 124
    tiadimundotiadimundo Posts: 153member
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    Originally Posted by columbus View Post


    But your analysis is way out: Things like the updates to Wordpad and Paint - well these are long overdue, considering the subtle refinements and updates Apple has made to all their bundled applications during the lifetime of OS X.



    Yes they are overdue but the updates are huge! For the first time standard apps will not have menus and toolbars anymore. It's like Vista's Explorer killed the old Lisa OS era menus by introducing a streamlined contextual command bar and Office 2007 introduced the contextual Ribbon, now we will see this paradigm in a lot more third party apps. A lot of people will not believe but Microsoft is leading innovation here in UI design. Snow Leopard is still Lisa OS (old menus) + OpenStep (the Dock) + Exposé.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by columbus View Post


    The idea that Windows 7 makes Snow Leopard look like a service pack is laughable. All Snow Leopard makes Windows 7 look like is bad value for money.



    Do you know the price for an update from Vista to 7?



    Btw I forgot to mention Device Stage and Jump Lists before. Very nice and huge features
  • Reply 85 of 124
    photoeditorphotoeditor Posts: 244member
    All very nice. This will be an instant update for me. It will solve a lot of problems.



    I wonder what's holding them up with Blu-Ray though. When Steve Jobs talked about a "world of hurt" with licensing, I didn't realize he meant "a permanent war of attrition." Not that it affects me, though; I just long for the day when laptop DVD drives support 16x.
  • Reply 86 of 124
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by lfmorrison View Post


    By this it appears that you're concerned that you won't be able to use your G4 or G5 based Mac anymore come September when Snow Leopard is released.



    Rest assured, those computers will not magically stop working on that day. (On the other hand, my G5 iMac died several months ago, apparently due to exploding capacitors, but that's another story...) And all the same apps that ran on them before will still run on them after.



    If you're concerned about the end of security support, your fears are also unfounded. Note that Apple is still actively releasing security updates for Tiger.



    If you're just concerned about the fact that new OSes are not being released for PowerPC-based Macs, well, all I can say is, this shouldn't be coming as a surprise: We've heard for quite some time now that the Snow Leopard betas would only run on Intel-based systems.



    That's true. If you need to keep your software updated (save for the OS), then you're probably good until 10.7 comes out. Most software seems to support the current and previous version of the OS.
  • Reply 87 of 124
    Will they have a SL update disk with the new iLife on it as well and what the cost would be?



    Anyone?
  • Reply 88 of 124
    Does the $29 fee come with iWork as well? Because the $169 comes with iWork and iLife for Tiger users. Good move for Apple. :-)
  • Reply 89 of 124
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,431member
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    Originally Posted by Macintosh_Next View Post


    Does the $29 fee come with iWork as well? Because the $169 comes with iWork and iLife for Tiger users. Good move for Apple. :-)



    Nope ..just the upgrade from Leopard. I'm going to get the SL Mac Box Set even though I have Leopard on disc because I want the family pack of SL, iLife and iWork
  • Reply 90 of 124
    bertpbertp Posts: 274member
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    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Nope ..just the upgrade from Leopard. I'm going to get the SL Mac Box Set even though I have Leopard on disc because I want the family pack of SL, iLife and iWork



    Another reason to get the Box Set is to include the 64-bit versions of iLife 09 and iWork 09 along with a 64-bit OS. I am not certain that all these applications will be 64-bit, but most of them should be. Convert over to 64-bits as much as possible at once. Currently I have Leopard and iLife 08, but not iWork.
  • Reply 91 of 124
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,431member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BertP View Post


    Another reason to get the Box Set is to include the 64-bit versions of iLife 09 and iWork 09 along with a 64-bit OS. I am not certain that all these applications will be 64-bit, but most of them should be. Convert over to 64-bits as much as possible at once. Currently I have Leopard and iLife 08, but not iWork.



    I sold my iLife 08 and I've got Leopard which I'll likely sell in anticipation of SL Mac Box Set. It would make sense for Apple to deliver SL versions of iLife and iWork with the Box Set.



    iLife could really use Grand Central and Quicktime X support sooner rather than later.
  • Reply 92 of 124
    dinodino Posts: 34member
    I'm curious as to how well Snow Leopard will run iLife '06 and iWork '06. Does anybody have any thoughts/experiences?
  • Reply 93 of 124
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,431member
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    Originally Posted by dino View Post


    I'm curious as to how well Snow Leopard will run iLife '06 and iWork '06. Does anybody have any thoughts/experiences?



    Anyone that can run Snow Leopard will have an Intel Mac and that means they'll want iLife 09 and iWork 09 IMO.
  • Reply 94 of 124
    dinodino Posts: 34member
    I want the new iLife and iWork, but I don't use them enough to make it worth upgrading.
  • Reply 95 of 124
    freakboyfreakboy Posts: 138member
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    Originally Posted by columbus View Post


    What have they added new to Windows 7 that isn't in Vista? I've used the beta of Win 7 and Vista and the only big difference I noticed was the new Taskbar.



    There are a number of visual enhancements in Snow Leopard, the Dock and Exposé being big ones. The difference is Apple isn't marketing these as big features, they are just slipping them in.



    Windows 7 makes a big play of the new taskbar, because they haven't got as much going on in the back-end (things like HomeGroup are cool and all), but they play catch up to Bonjour, and open standard Microsoft could have been using for years.



    For me Snow Leopard is a steal, easily as many features as 10.2 and 10.3 added, but with a far smaller price.



    I've been using the beta of win 7 for awhile. I reminds me of windows 2000, which was probably their best effort. With that said, the GUI and UI are infurating and stupid. It's amazingly badly designed at every level I can think of and I hate using it.



    I was trying to move files around the other day and I couldn't believe how shitty it was.
  • Reply 96 of 124
    kevinn206kevinn206 Posts: 117member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by freakboy View Post


    I've been using the beta of win 7 for awhile. I reminds me of windows 2000, which was probably their best effort. With that said, the GUI and UI are infurating and stupid. It's amazingly badly designed at every level I can think of and I hate using it.



    I was trying to move files around the other day and I couldn't believe how shitty it was.



    What was shitty about the process of moving files around? I am interested in knowing why rather than that it was "shitty" without any explanation.
  • Reply 97 of 124
    jamiecjamiec Posts: 42member
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    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    What was shitty about the process of moving files around? I am interested in knowing why rather than that it was "shitty" without any explanation.



    I'll chime in on this digression. For starters, the ridiculous "replace file" dialog box. Instead of just asking if I want to replace an (older/newer/same) file, Win7 has a nonstandard "click an icon" dialog box, with no obvious indicator of which is which -- you just have to read through the dialog text and file info and compare the dates yourself. Not only that, but clicking the "Don't Move" icon has the exact same effect as the "Cancel" button at the bottom, which in turn has the same effect as the red X at the top. Seriously. Three buttons that do the exact same thing in a single dialog box. Nice one, Microsoft.
  • Reply 98 of 124
    aizmovaizmov Posts: 989member
    I'll be upgrading to Snow Leopard once it is released. I'm really loving everything about it. And will also buy a new MacBook at release.
  • Reply 99 of 124
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    Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post


    What do you mean what happened to it? It's not like anyone expected any word of it today.



    mac soda said it would be there!
  • Reply 100 of 124
    solarsolar Posts: 84member
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    Originally Posted by jamiec View Post


    Three buttons that do the exact same thing in a single dialog box. Nice one, Microsoft.



    Microsoft is all about choice!







    The "Snow Leopard is a Service Pack" meme is already annoying and i fear it's not going to go away any time soon. I'm betting it's going to be the #1 troll talking point related to SL
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