No doubt the fanboys will spin this into a "there's a good reason why it has no camera" story. Look, it's going to have a camera and you guys are going to change your minds back again. Seriously, form your actual own opinion without trying to feel for what Steve Jobs might want you think. The man doesn't no everything, deal with it. Learn to grow your own viewpoints.
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
No doubt the fanboys will spin this into a "there's a good reason why it has no camera" story. Look, it's going to have a camera and you guys are going to change your minds back again. Seriously, form your actual own opinion without trying to feel for what Steve Jobs might want you think. The man doesn't no everything, deal with it. Learn to grow your own viewpoints.
There is only one reason to leave a camera off the tablet and I said as much above... Apple will include it in a future build perhaps along with GPS. Apple does this crap all the time... The cost of the part isn't even a blip we all know that... its purely a marketing move.
One is the restrictions some of us have to deal with in respect to cameras. The easiest solution in these cases is to buy devices without cameras. If Apple is indeed targeting the corporate or medical worlds a model without a camera might be a requirement. Especially the medical world where there is an almost irrational demand for privacy.
The second issue is that some of us simply would prefer to not have the possibility of video conferencing built into a cell phone or tablet. Mostly that is due to the fear of having it turned on at the wrong time. ** This is assuming that you can turn it on and off as you see fit. Even outside of the embarrassing moments I'm not too thrilled with the idea of video conferencing.
There's no privacy problem for business or government. Apple already provides a way for business and gov to turn the camera off. There's no reason why it couldn't be done with a tablet s well.
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For personal use that is great if both parties enjoy it. I'm not here to say it would not be an attractive feature just that there are opposing issues. For Apple the smart thing would be to build device with and without.
No. Too many skeu's. Just the option to turn it off.
Actually I'm really wishing for standard USB ports on the tablet just for things like this. That is adding mobile hardware that Apple for what ever reason decided not to add. More importantly the tablet needs to support a kernel that allows for the installation of drivers.[/quote]
We all hope for some sort of port.
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Well yes we are thinking corporate in some cases. That due to a solidly engineered tablet having a huge potential here. As to the younger generation that is very likely, I wasn't in touch when I was the younger generation!
However I think you mis something here too. Its the optical alignment of the camera on the tablet. Somebody mentioned the chin issue and frankly I see this as a real problem. A laptop or monitor can put that camera 12 or more inches above the table to make for a much more pleasing image. A table forces you to hand hold it in a pleasing position.
I don't see this as a problem. There are millions of web cams that have been put on the desk, below the monitor. People seem fine with that. In addition, with a Macbook on a table, the camera is below your chin, again, no problem. I don't see why this would be any worse.
Besides that, there are webcams above your head, clipped on top of monitors, no problem there either.
Would it be better if the cam was always at the perfect height, well, from the perspective of a professional in the business (me!), the answer is yes. But people in general don't seem to have a problem with it.
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As a side note about answering a phone at the wrong time, the other day the phone went off while I was in the head. I instinctively answered it before even realizing that I was lets say tied up. If pervasive use of video phones becomes common that could be very embarrassing. One idea here is to make the feature location aware, so that when you are at Home all video functions get turned off.
I would hope that people get used to it, so that won't happen. The solution is easy. With an incoming call, just like in the SiFi novels, it would default to "no video" unless you specifically turn it on. Not too tough!
Hehe, I have seen this line a million times when the iPod touch was updated and the camera was "gone"... Still, all indicators point to a record quarter for touch sales.
I do not care if it has one or not; I will buy one, even if it has a camera (and my company will buy 50 or more if/once we can run our custom applications on it, as long as it does support CoreData we are fine). I will not do video chats on it (I look even worse when I have to look 90 degrees down) and using a 10" tablet as a camera is the last thing I need (unless it can truly replace a Linhof Technikardan S).
I haven't used one of those in years. I do still have a few lensboards from my old one.
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
I bought a stand for my iPhone, it's very convenient when recharging, or when reading when eating.
Well I wanted to throw this thought out since I haven't seen anyone mention it, but some time in 2009 (I believe), there was an AI article detailing an Apple patent that indicated the ability for a device to detect touch input not only through the front/top of a device, but also the bottom/rear of the device.
When I first saw the patent, I thought it was laughingly implausible because, after all, how could you accurately touch control something on a screen/computer's rear without actually flipping it over and looking at it? Then I saw this incredible-looking transparent OLED 14" screen from Samsung at CES 2010. It seriously looks like something out of Star Trek or Minority Report, where the graphical elements pop up on the transparent screen, but you can still see through it.
That got me thinking then, isn't it possible that either with the upcoming tablet, or some future iteration of it, that we may see the use a transparent screen with touch sensing capabilities on BOTH sides of the device, allowing for far more gestures and touch controls then what is currently capable with single-sided touch panels? With transparency in play, you'd be able to see both your fingers on the rear along with the touch controls that you intend to activate from the rear.
Then add to that, the Apple patent that showed a portable device that could slide in and out of a desktop-class screen/computer like a docking station, and all of a sudden you have the makings of not just a tablet, but a whole new device pairing that is both ultra-portable and fully-functional. So maybe this is years off in the future, but it's no longer impossible to imagine on-the-go computing in a tablet format taking off in a big way.
Well I wanted to throw this thought out since I haven't seen anyone mention it, but some time in 2009 (I believe), there was an AI article detailing an Apple patent that indicated the ability for a device to detect touch input not only through the front/top of a device, but also the bottom/rear of the device
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I?ve mentioned it more than a few times in other threads. I think it makes sense to have a back panel touch sensitive pad when holding a tablet with two hands like a book. It allows your fingertips to navigate the back while your thumbs can touch the front and your palms are securely holding the device.
What I do care for is the transparent display. While cool looking in Minority Report and Avatar transparent display simply aren?t practical for text or images. Plus, I don?t think we need to see our fingers when using the back panel if the motions are intuitive. Even the unintuitive keyboard is usable without looking and any touchpad would be exceedingly less complex.
BTW, Notion Ink is putting a touchpad on the back of the Pixel Qi touchscreen tablet. I think this is the closest thing in hardware to what we can expect to a mythical Apple tablet. 2 more weeks!
No doubt the fanboys will spin this into a "there's a good reason why it has no camera" story. Look, it's going to have a camera and you guys are going to change your minds back again. Seriously, form your actual own opinion without trying to feel for what Steve Jobs might want you think. The man doesn't no everything, deal with it. Learn to grow your own viewpoints.
So Apple's wrong and broken when they don't build the machines to the specs you order up, other posters are fanboys if they disagree with your opinions on what needs to come next (which have long since stopped being couched as "opinions" and have become flat statements of fact) and you're Nostradamus because you've been hoping that Apple would release a touch based tablet for the last 4 or 5 years.
You're well on your way to becoming some kind of megalomaniacal super villain.
one company executive suggesting the device could be used for Web conferencing,
Please stop it. Please. TV presenter suggested tablet would be equipped with webcam, having quoted someone else.
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Orange on Monday issued a retraction to Richard's statements, and said the executive was "merely confirming that he is aware of the speculation surrounding a launch and that Orange would be delighted to have such a product were it ever available."
Absolutely. The exec's face was only reading: "what exactly do you know? well-well-well hasn't the true story shown up somehow?" Nothing more.
As for tech details, we're expecting tablet to have a camera. Yes, we are.
My guess: It will have a camera, but not for video chat. Too much bandwidth required. Video chat is nothing but a gimmick.
We already have iPhone apps that use the camera to read bar codes. Such a function would be very useful for said tablet.
Are you serious? Ever hear of Skype, iChat, etc....I do not know where you live but I can very easily vidchat with my MBP 17 tethered to my iPhone while here in Finland. You see the networks here happen to be very good and very well planned. Can't remember the last time me or any or my co-workers, and friends with iPhones tried to read a bar code.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
Hey melgross. Best post of this thread. Too many are seeing this as the ultimate biz conferencing tool. I immediately saw it as a Skype tool, or iChat tool (finally), or some other way to connect people socially. Why would Apple make this a biz tool when they are not "really" in the biz world in the first place. This tablet, combined with a 3G radio, some wifi (the Nokia N800/N810 series had these capabilities), and the ability to tether would lend itself to a pretty potent device. I bought a 15 inch MBP but realized it was too small after having a 17 inch MBP so I gave it to my daughter. She got all of her friends on Skype, AIM, AOL, etc... and there is nothing but girlish giggling coming out of her room. A table with a cam would be a boon for people such as me who travels often, has a handful of sim cards to put in my legally unlocked iPhone (had to throw that in. ), but can now put them in a larger device and have the same if not better capabilities.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
i think all this camera stuff is a smoke screen to hide the stylus
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Yup!
I KNOW that people at Apple will be laughing.
I don't care.
No camera. No Buy.
Precisely what it will have a camera, i.e. a webcam.
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
Why would the camera angle be wrong?
No doubt the fanboys will spin this into a "there's a good reason why it has no camera" story. Look, it's going to have a camera and you guys are going to change your minds back again. Seriously, form your actual own opinion without trying to feel for what Steve Jobs might want you think. The man doesn't no everything, deal with it. Learn to grow your own viewpoints.
There is only one reason to leave a camera off the tablet and I said as much above... Apple will include it in a future build perhaps along with GPS. Apple does this crap all the time... The cost of the part isn't even a blip we all know that... its purely a marketing move.
One is the restrictions some of us have to deal with in respect to cameras. The easiest solution in these cases is to buy devices without cameras. If Apple is indeed targeting the corporate or medical worlds a model without a camera might be a requirement. Especially the medical world where there is an almost irrational demand for privacy.
The second issue is that some of us simply would prefer to not have the possibility of video conferencing built into a cell phone or tablet. Mostly that is due to the fear of having it turned on at the wrong time. ** This is assuming that you can turn it on and off as you see fit. Even outside of the embarrassing moments I'm not too thrilled with the idea of video conferencing.
There's no privacy problem for business or government. Apple already provides a way for business and gov to turn the camera off. There's no reason why it couldn't be done with a tablet s well.
For personal use that is great if both parties enjoy it. I'm not here to say it would not be an attractive feature just that there are opposing issues. For Apple the smart thing would be to build device with and without.
No. Too many skeu's. Just the option to turn it off.
Actually I'm really wishing for standard USB ports on the tablet just for things like this. That is adding mobile hardware that Apple for what ever reason decided not to add. More importantly the tablet needs to support a kernel that allows for the installation of drivers.[/quote]
We all hope for some sort of port.
Well yes we are thinking corporate in some cases. That due to a solidly engineered tablet having a huge potential here. As to the younger generation that is very likely, I wasn't in touch when I was the younger generation!
However I think you mis something here too. Its the optical alignment of the camera on the tablet. Somebody mentioned the chin issue and frankly I see this as a real problem. A laptop or monitor can put that camera 12 or more inches above the table to make for a much more pleasing image. A table forces you to hand hold it in a pleasing position.
I don't see this as a problem. There are millions of web cams that have been put on the desk, below the monitor. People seem fine with that. In addition, with a Macbook on a table, the camera is below your chin, again, no problem. I don't see why this would be any worse.
Besides that, there are webcams above your head, clipped on top of monitors, no problem there either.
Would it be better if the cam was always at the perfect height, well, from the perspective of a professional in the business (me!), the answer is yes. But people in general don't seem to have a problem with it.
As a side note about answering a phone at the wrong time, the other day the phone went off while I was in the head. I instinctively answered it before even realizing that I was lets say tied up. If pervasive use of video phones becomes common that could be very embarrassing. One idea here is to make the feature location aware, so that when you are at Home all video functions get turned off.
I would hope that people get used to it, so that won't happen. The solution is easy. With an incoming call, just like in the SiFi novels, it would default to "no video" unless you specifically turn it on. Not too tough!
Hehe, I have seen this line a million times when the iPod touch was updated and the camera was "gone"... Still, all indicators point to a record quarter for touch sales.
I do not care if it has one or not; I will buy one, even if it has a camera (and my company will buy 50 or more if/once we can run our custom applications on it, as long as it does support CoreData we are fine). I will not do video chats on it (I look even worse when I have to look 90 degrees down) and using a 10" tablet as a camera is the last thing I need (unless it can truly replace a Linhof Technikardan S).
I haven't used one of those in years. I do still have a few lensboards from my old one.
I don't care.
You don't have to.
Interesting thought. I agree with no camera, just does not make sense to use a tablet like that, IMO. Angle is wrong, and would not want to hold it still that long. Maybe a external camera would be nice, something that I could mount or put on a bean bag, or use at the desk when hooked to a keyboard.
I bought a stand for my iPhone, it's very convenient when recharging, or when reading when eating.
http://thoughtout.biz/PED3
I'm sure that they, and others will have stands for a tablet as well, camera or no camera. If you really need to conference, you can get one of them.
When I first saw the patent, I thought it was laughingly implausible because, after all, how could you accurately touch control something on a screen/computer's rear without actually flipping it over and looking at it? Then I saw this incredible-looking transparent OLED 14" screen from Samsung at CES 2010. It seriously looks like something out of Star Trek or Minority Report, where the graphical elements pop up on the transparent screen, but you can still see through it.
That got me thinking then, isn't it possible that either with the upcoming tablet, or some future iteration of it, that we may see the use a transparent screen with touch sensing capabilities on BOTH sides of the device, allowing for far more gestures and touch controls then what is currently capable with single-sided touch panels? With transparency in play, you'd be able to see both your fingers on the rear along with the touch controls that you intend to activate from the rear.
Then add to that, the Apple patent that showed a portable device that could slide in and out of a desktop-class screen/computer like a docking station, and all of a sudden you have the makings of not just a tablet, but a whole new device pairing that is both ultra-portable and fully-functional. So maybe this is years off in the future, but it's no longer impossible to imagine on-the-go computing in a tablet format taking off in a big way.
Well I wanted to throw this thought out since I haven't seen anyone mention it, but some time in 2009 (I believe), there was an AI article detailing an Apple patent that indicated the ability for a device to detect touch input not only through the front/top of a device, but also the bottom/rear of the device
[?]
I?ve mentioned it more than a few times in other threads. I think it makes sense to have a back panel touch sensitive pad when holding a tablet with two hands like a book. It allows your fingertips to navigate the back while your thumbs can touch the front and your palms are securely holding the device.
What I do care for is the transparent display. While cool looking in Minority Report and Avatar transparent display simply aren?t practical for text or images. Plus, I don?t think we need to see our fingers when using the back panel if the motions are intuitive. Even the unintuitive keyboard is usable without looking and any touchpad would be exceedingly less complex.
BTW, Notion Ink is putting a touchpad on the back of the Pixel Qi touchscreen tablet. I think this is the closest thing in hardware to what we can expect to a mythical Apple tablet. 2 more weeks!
No doubt the fanboys will spin this into a "there's a good reason why it has no camera" story. Look, it's going to have a camera and you guys are going to change your minds back again. Seriously, form your actual own opinion without trying to feel for what Steve Jobs might want you think. The man doesn't no everything, deal with it. Learn to grow your own viewpoints.
So Apple's wrong and broken when they don't build the machines to the specs you order up, other posters are fanboys if they disagree with your opinions on what needs to come next (which have long since stopped being couched as "opinions" and have become flat statements of fact) and you're Nostradamus because you've been hoping that Apple would release a touch based tablet for the last 4 or 5 years.
You're well on your way to becoming some kind of megalomaniacal super villain.
Apple has a camera in the NANO - and they are not going to put one in the Tablet???
1) This is a rumour, and should be taken with a grain of salt.
2) The Nano has a very low-grade 0.3Mpx video camera that can?t do still shots.
3) The Nano is clearly being put against the Flip video cameras.
4) The Touch doesn?t have a camera yet it?s more expensive than the Nano.
one company executive suggesting the device could be used for Web conferencing,
Please stop it. Please. TV presenter suggested tablet would be equipped with webcam, having quoted someone else.
Orange on Monday issued a retraction to Richard's statements, and said the executive was "merely confirming that he is aware of the speculation surrounding a launch and that Orange would be delighted to have such a product were it ever available."
Absolutely. The exec's face was only reading: "what exactly do you know? well-well-well hasn't the true story shown up somehow?" Nothing more.
As for tech details, we're expecting tablet to have a camera. Yes, we are.
My guess: It will have a camera, but not for video chat. Too much bandwidth required. Video chat is nothing but a gimmick.
We already have iPhone apps that use the camera to read bar codes. Such a function would be very useful for said tablet.
Are you serious? Ever hear of Skype, iChat, etc....I do not know where you live but I can very easily vidchat with my MBP 17 tethered to my iPhone while here in Finland. You see the networks here happen to be very good and very well planned. Can't remember the last time me or any or my co-workers, and friends with iPhones tried to read a bar code.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
Hey melgross. Best post of this thread. Too many are seeing this as the ultimate biz conferencing tool. I immediately saw it as a Skype tool, or iChat tool (finally), or some other way to connect people socially. Why would Apple make this a biz tool when they are not "really" in the biz world in the first place. This tablet, combined with a 3G radio, some wifi (the Nokia N800/N810 series had these capabilities), and the ability to tether would lend itself to a pretty potent device. I bought a 15 inch MBP but realized it was too small after having a 17 inch MBP so I gave it to my daughter. She got all of her friends on Skype, AIM, AOL, etc... and there is nothing but girlish giggling coming out of her room. A table with a cam would be a boon for people such as me who travels often, has a handful of sim cards to put in my legally unlocked iPhone (had to throw that in.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
i think all this camera stuff is a smoke screen to hide the stylus
Blame this on the rumor mill.