as i've said a number of times since the beginning - "number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iphone 4 does this better than any previous iphone. Case closed."
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
I can tell that you're just itching to respond to the antenna issues though
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
Thanks, Mr.Jobs, I see the light now! Thank God you cleared it up!
"There's no reason, at least yet, to forgo buying an iPhone 4 over its reception concerns," writes Consumer Reports
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. But some of the sinister elements in the media and blogosphere do have a vested interest in seeing more people NOT buy an iPhone 4, thereby driving down AAPL stock so they can buy low and later sell high when all this news blows over. For those of you who doubt me, consider this has happened before:
I therefore cannot believe that the negative product news being spread so rapidly around the web is simply a case of a caring media who wishes to ?inform the public? or ?tell something important to potential buyers.? It seems much more sinister than that.
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. .
Which people? The ones who received a bad one or the ones that didn't?
Anyway, I am with you on ignoring it, just checked my status and my phone was to ship before July 14th. It finally changed status to read Prepared for Shipment. Yay! Hopefully mine really did pass QC and didn't just sneak through.
I'm not worried anyway, case is on the way and my Power Support screen protectors should ship soon. Come on baby!
I totally agree - I have owned the 3g, 3gs and now the 4. There are places I would get no service with 3 and 3g - notably local big box stores Target, Kohls, etc, and I couldn't call the wife to find her. Now all calls go through - I can't lose her!
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. But some of the sinister elements in the media and blogosphere do have a vested interest in seeing more people NOT buy an iPhone 4, thereby driving down AAPL stock so they can buy low and later sell high when all this news blows over. For those of you who doubt me, consider this has happened before:
I therefore cannot believe that the negative product news being spread so rapidly around the web is simply a case of a caring media who wishes to ?inform the public? or ?tell something important to potential buyers.? It seems much more sinister than that.
I just had it happen on a completely unrelated stock I own. Orient Paper was trading around 8 until a group called 'Muddy Waters' posted some blatantly incorrect information (Muddy Waters was short ONP). ONP dropped to around 4 so I grabbed some call options. When the market realized what was going on, most of the stock value came back so I made a nice bit of cash on the options - and expect to make more as the stock recovers over the next few days.
It's really sad now easy it is to manipulate the market and how people rush off helter-skelter on bad information.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbat23
I totally agree - I have owned the 3g, 3gs and now the 4. There are places I would get no service with 3 and 3g - notably local big box stores Target, Kohls, etc, and I couldn't call the wife to find her. Now all calls go through - I can't lose her!
Every silver lining has a cloud.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubert
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
PC World just released an article confirming this. Their test was not the least bit scientific, but again indicates that the connection problems are far from common.
And I am old enough to remember when Consumer Reports was above paid reviews (blogging in today's vernacular).
They used to only review a category of products and impartially evaluate them, this blog entry just reeks.
Another class action lawyer looking for an Apple ambulance to chase perhaps?
I have been making calls, web surfing and using various news apps. With virtually no bars showing and voice clarity has been as good or better than before and nyt app appears to load far faster. What can I say?
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
Despite this independent report people are badmouthing the iPhone 4 - which despite it's more sensitive attenuation - Works ( pretty much as promised ) .
I'd be interested in knowing the reasons why the phone stops working for some people and not others
There may be connectivity issues with most phones, but those makers (a) don't put it where you would want to hold it?
Doesn't seem to matter.
Quote:
Antenna Expert: Apple is Right, iPhone 4 Signal Woes Overblown
First, they placed a call on an iPhone 4 while holding the handset from the top. They then switched to the infamous "grip of death"--holding the bottom of the phone tightly with two hands.
"We succeeded in taking a five-bar display and reducing it to one bar by doing that," Webb says. "But the call remained solid and never dropped."
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
Apparently not clear enough since you seem to have misinterpreted them.
Quote:
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
... when the iPhone 4 was used with a case.
Quote:
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
True.
Quote:
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
False. The only time it will be enough is if you are holding a bare iPhone 4 and the 24dBm would bottom out the signal below ~113dBM.
So, let's say you have an 90dBM signal
on iPhone 4 bare hand it goes from 90dBM (5 bars) -> 114dBm (dropped call, 0 bars)
on iPhone 3GS bare hand it goes from 90dBM (5 bars)-> 104dBm (no dropped call, 2 bars)
Quote:
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
True.
Quote:
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
but not to the same degree.
Quote:
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
Thanks for the info. All my concerns are now resolved.
I doubt that the bars were being "accidently" over-represented though. Up until today I assumed that there was an agreed standard to the units being displayed. But if it's an algorithm that is able to be independently manipulated of course Steve is going to set it to overestimate the bars to "showcase" the new antenna design. I bet he figured that any dropped calls from five bars would be blamed on the network.
I've already explained why it's relevant as for Apple's "fix" they have no "fix".
If you missed it though I'm wondering if somehow Apple were trying to mask any possible signs of the antenna issue and when the wifi signal dropped and the ip4 switched to it's cellular data and that displayed the pop up message "Could not activate cellular data" whether that was a part of how Apple were trying to mask the issue. I don't know whether or not it was, but if it was, that's significant. Perhaps we will never be able to tell with certainty but it got me thinking about it. I hope I haven't committed any kind of thought crime here!
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
The key with 3G is "sometimes"! iPhone 4 is not limited to "sometimes", at least where I work and live.
Comments
as i've said a number of times since the beginning - "number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iphone 4 does this better than any previous iphone. Case closed."
qft..
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
I can tell that you're just itching to respond to the antenna issues though
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
Thanks, Mr.Jobs, I see the light now! Thank God you cleared it up!
"There's no reason, at least yet, to forgo buying an iPhone 4 over its reception concerns," writes Consumer Reports
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. But some of the sinister elements in the media and blogosphere do have a vested interest in seeing more people NOT buy an iPhone 4, thereby driving down AAPL stock so they can buy low and later sell high when all this news blows over. For those of you who doubt me, consider this has happened before:
http://www.appletell.com/apple/comme...-manipulation/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/0...-manipulation/
http://www.macworld.com/article/5796.../engadget.html
I therefore cannot believe that the negative product news being spread so rapidly around the web is simply a case of a caring media who wishes to ?inform the public? or ?tell something important to potential buyers.? It seems much more sinister than that.
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. .
Which people? The ones who received a bad one or the ones that didn't?
Anyway, I am with you on ignoring it, just checked my status and my phone was to ship before July 14th. It finally changed status to read Prepared for Shipment. Yay! Hopefully mine really did pass QC and didn't just sneak through.
I'm not worried anyway, case is on the way and my Power Support screen protectors should ship soon. Come on baby!
If only more people would consider the Positive news like this and cast aside the negative. But some of the sinister elements in the media and blogosphere do have a vested interest in seeing more people NOT buy an iPhone 4, thereby driving down AAPL stock so they can buy low and later sell high when all this news blows over. For those of you who doubt me, consider this has happened before:
http://www.appletell.com/apple/comme...-manipulation/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/0...-manipulation/
http://www.macworld.com/article/5796.../engadget.html
I therefore cannot believe that the negative product news being spread so rapidly around the web is simply a case of a caring media who wishes to ?inform the public? or ?tell something important to potential buyers.? It seems much more sinister than that.
I just had it happen on a completely unrelated stock I own. Orient Paper was trading around 8 until a group called 'Muddy Waters' posted some blatantly incorrect information (Muddy Waters was short ONP). ONP dropped to around 4 so I grabbed some call options. When the market realized what was going on, most of the stock value came back so I made a nice bit of cash on the options - and expect to make more as the stock recovers over the next few days.
It's really sad now easy it is to manipulate the market and how people rush off helter-skelter on bad information.
I totally agree - I have owned the 3g, 3gs and now the 4. There are places I would get no service with 3 and 3g - notably local big box stores Target, Kohls, etc, and I couldn't call the wife to find her. Now all calls go through - I can't lose her!
Every silver lining has a cloud.
As I've said a number of times since the beginning - "Number of bars displayed does not matter! It is your ability to place calls and hold onto them that matters! The iPhone 4 does this better than any previous iPhone. Case closed."
PC World just released an article confirming this. Their test was not the least bit scientific, but again indicates that the connection problems are far from common.
And I am old enough to remember when Consumer Reports was above paid reviews (blogging in today's vernacular).
They used to only review a category of products and impartially evaluate them, this blog entry just reeks.
Another class action lawyer looking for an Apple ambulance to chase perhaps?
I have been making calls, web surfing and using various news apps. With virtually no bars showing and voice clarity has been as good or better than before and nyt app appears to load far faster. What can I say?
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
Despite this independent report people are badmouthing the iPhone 4 - which despite it's more sensitive attenuation - Works ( pretty much as promised ) .
I'd be interested in knowing the reasons why the phone stops working for some people and not others
There may be connectivity issues with most phones, but those makers (a) don't put it where you would want to hold it?
Doesn't seem to matter.
this just in, they fixed the problem. http://yfrog.com/2twr5fj
A picture is worth thousand words!
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
Apparently not clear enough since you seem to have misinterpreted them.
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
... when the iPhone 4 was used with a case.
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
True.
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
False. The only time it will be enough is if you are holding a bare iPhone 4 and the 24dBm would bottom out the signal below ~113dBM.
So, let's say you have an 90dBM signal
on iPhone 4 bare hand it goes from 90dBM (5 bars) -> 114dBm (dropped call, 0 bars)
on iPhone 3GS bare hand it goes from 90dBM (5 bars)-> 104dBm (no dropped call, 2 bars)
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
True.
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
but not to the same degree.
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
Only if there is still signal left to be used.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/ele...reports-s.html
The AnandTech tests were the only effective and scientific tests conducted yet.
The results were clear.
1) The iPhone 4 gets a signal in areas with reception where earlier iPhones would be completely dead.
2) The iPhone 4 "death grip" issue is real, but it causes a maximum drop of 24dBm.
3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars. So, even after the death grip, the iPhone 4 still has much better reception than earlier iPhones.
4) The bar inflation issue is real.
5) Other phones suffer from attenuation just like the iPhone 4 does.
6) The iPhone 4 death grip attenuation is more than other phones' attenuation, but even after the attenuation, the signal is much better.
Thanks for the info. All my concerns are now resolved.
I doubt that the bars were being "accidently" over-represented though. Up until today I assumed that there was an agreed standard to the units being displayed. But if it's an algorithm that is able to be independently manipulated of course Steve is going to set it to overestimate the bars to "showcase" the new antenna design. I bet he figured that any dropped calls from five bars would be blamed on the network.
Still it's a buy from me!
Thanks for the info. All my concerns are now resolved.
....
Still it's a buy from me!
You deserve to buy an iPhone 4. Make sure you sell/donate your 2G/3G/3GS before you buy your 4. That way, you can ensure your experience is "optimal"!
Well, it looks like Consumer Reports found the issue after all. This is their follow up tests at home.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/ele...reports-s.html
Well, yesterday CR was a great magazine known for their honesty and today, well, today is another day.
I've already explained why it's relevant as for Apple's "fix" they have no "fix".
If you missed it though I'm wondering if somehow Apple were trying to mask any possible signs of the antenna issue and when the wifi signal dropped and the ip4 switched to it's cellular data and that displayed the pop up message "Could not activate cellular data" whether that was a part of how Apple were trying to mask the issue. I don't know whether or not it was, but if it was, that's significant. Perhaps we will never be able to tell with certainty but it got me thinking about it. I hope I haven't committed any kind of thought crime here!
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
The key with 3G is "sometimes"! iPhone 4 is not limited to "sometimes", at least where I work and live.