Well, when my 3GS has trouble with Wifi, it latches on to 3G and manages to download www.nytimes.com easily :-) (I am not referring to Facetime demo, I am referring to screen resolution demo with nytimes.com)
Oh wait, may be Steve did not have a 3G sim activated with PS services. Cost cutting, I bet.
... If you missed it though I'm wondering if somehow Apple were trying to mask any possible signs of the antenna issue and when the wifi signal dropped and the ip4 switched to it's cellular data and that displayed the pop up message "Could not activate cellular data" whether that was a part of how Apple were trying to mask the issue. I don't know whether or not it was, but if it was, that's significant. Perhaps we will never be able to tell with certainty but it got me thinking about it. I hope I haven't committed any kind of thought crime here!
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
It's 'affect', which is a verb, meaning to influence in some way. 'Effect' is a noun; the result of the verb 'affect'.
Effect is also a verb (meaning to complete or accomplish), but you are correct that the verb (or noun) "effect" was was the wrong word to use in this case.
... I doubt that the bars were being "accidently" over-represented though. Up until today I assumed that there was an agreed standard to the units being displayed. But if it's an algorithm that is able to be independently manipulated of course Steve is going to set it to overestimate the bars to "showcase" the new antenna design. I bet he figured that any dropped calls from five bars would be blamed on the network. ...
Choosing to not have the bars be strictly analogous to signal strength is not the same thing at all as manipulating them. It seems that they were set to be analogous to expected call quality rather than signal strength, but, because of characteristics of the iP4 antenna, this approach sometimes gave widely different information in cases of marginal signal strength depending on whether the antenna was touched or not.
This way of displaying bars may or may not be uncommon: we don't really have information on how other phone makers display bars.
Choosing to not have the bars be strictly analogous to signal strength is not the same thing at all as manipulating them. It seems that they were set to be analogous to expected call quality rather than signal strength, but, because of characteristics of the iP4 antenna, this approach sometimes gave widely different information in cases of marginal signal strength depending on whether the antenna was touched or not.
Are you saying you now see this as a hardware issue? Or is this not a new viewpoint on your part?
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
Yes, this is illustrative of your entire approach to this topic. Just pretend information that contradicts your hysteria doesn't exist.
The display of bars is related to issue 1. Issue 2 only seems to affect some phones (even when side by side when they should have the same signal) and is likely some sort of manufacturing issue (HW assembly or SW related). Issue 3 probably contributes to the perception of the severity of signal problems but is a separate issue.
The display of bars is related to issue 1. Issue 2 only seems to affect some phones (even when side by side when they should have the same signal) and is likely some sort of manufacturing issue (HW assembly or SW related). Issue 3 probably contributes to the perception of the severity of signal problems but is a separate issue.
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that the outright falsities by many of the antenna denialist's are spurring people on to correct them not put them off. Their tactic has backfired for a lot of people. Telling people that they're mad, stupid etc for posting their experiences was a really bad idea and not what I would have expected from the people here before this happened.
As to the keynote wifi problem, I find it odd that when the wifi failed and the iPhone 4 switched to cellular that the iPhone 4 hadn't been activated. If that's typical for Apple, then fine, no conspiracy theory, but if it's not is does make me wonder if they may have done that in attempt to mask any possible antenna issues.
... As to the keynote wifi problem, I find it odd that when the wifi failed and the iPhone 4 switched to cellular that the iPhone 4 hadn't been activated. If that's typical for Apple, then fine, no conspiracy theory, but if it's not is does make me wonder if they may have done that in attempt to mask any possible antenna issues.
You either have no idea what you are talking about, or don't care. The iP4 did not "switch to cellular". That dialog will come up for any cellular iDevice that hasn't been activated whenever the cellular features are turned on, even if you aren't attempting to use them. It's meaningless, you've been told it's meaningless, yet you keep pushing this nonsense.
You are either incapable of rational thought, or you aren't posting here with any interest in the truth.
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
We are not in a country that is highly regarded for it's corporate ethics. So if I or anyone else subscribe to a conspiracy theory, convince yourself over and over that you don't buy it. You never know what is going to happen tomorrow!
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. If you're asking asking me to explain why you sometimes get the message "Could not activate data network." on your 3GS whilst you have the phone activated I don't know all the reasons why that happens. I do know that it can happen when carriers make changes to their networks or experience problems, so that may have been why you got that message.
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...which you have the option not buying at all or of returning it within 30 days for a full refund if that is your belief.
So what are you going to sue for?
Bus fare, washing tear stains from your pillow, shattered dreams or what?
I'm not suing, crazy person.
Well, when my 3GS has trouble with Wifi, it latches on to 3G and manages to download www.nytimes.com easily :-) (I am not referring to Facetime demo, I am referring to screen resolution demo with nytimes.com)
Oh wait, may be Steve did not have a 3G sim activated with PS services. Cost cutting, I bet.
... If you missed it though I'm wondering if somehow Apple were trying to mask any possible signs of the antenna issue and when the wifi signal dropped and the ip4 switched to it's cellular data and that displayed the pop up message "Could not activate cellular data" whether that was a part of how Apple were trying to mask the issue. I don't know whether or not it was, but if it was, that's significant. Perhaps we will never be able to tell with certainty but it got me thinking about it. I hope I haven't committed any kind of thought crime here!
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
Exactly!!! Why was only 4 having trouble?
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Exactly!!! Why was only 4 having trouble?
Actually none of the two finished loading. It is interesting that the 3G S got further along, though.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
It's 'affect', which is a verb, meaning to influence in some way. 'Effect' is a noun; the result of the verb 'affect'.
Effect is also a verb (meaning to complete or accomplish), but you are correct that the verb (or noun) "effect" was was the wrong word to use in this case.
... I doubt that the bars were being "accidently" over-represented though. Up until today I assumed that there was an agreed standard to the units being displayed. But if it's an algorithm that is able to be independently manipulated of course Steve is going to set it to overestimate the bars to "showcase" the new antenna design. I bet he figured that any dropped calls from five bars would be blamed on the network. ...
Choosing to not have the bars be strictly analogous to signal strength is not the same thing at all as manipulating them. It seems that they were set to be analogous to expected call quality rather than signal strength, but, because of characteristics of the iP4 antenna, this approach sometimes gave widely different information in cases of marginal signal strength depending on whether the antenna was touched or not.
This way of displaying bars may or may not be uncommon: we don't really have information on how other phone makers display bars.
Actually none of the two finished loading. It is interesting that the 3G S got further along, though.
Interesting, perhaps, but not necessarily meaningful.
Choosing to not have the bars be strictly analogous to signal strength is not the same thing at all as manipulating them. It seems that they were set to be analogous to expected call quality rather than signal strength, but, because of characteristics of the iP4 antenna, this approach sometimes gave widely different information in cases of marginal signal strength depending on whether the antenna was touched or not.
Are you saying you now see this as a hardware issue? Or is this not a new viewpoint on your part?
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
Yes, this is illustrative of your entire approach to this topic. Just pretend information that contradicts your hysteria doesn't exist.
Interesting, perhaps, but not necessarily meaningful.
I said 'interesting'. Never mentioned 'meaningful'. Certainly no big deal.
Yes, this is illustrative of your entire approach to this topic. Just pretend information that contradicts your hysteria doesn't exist.
Actually, that's your approach. Although I wouldn't use the term: hysteria. Regurgitated from that AI post.
Are you saying you now see this as a hardware issue? Or is this not a new viewpoint on your part?
I've posted several times as to what I see the issues to be. Briefly:
1. Signal drops from touching antenna
2. Service loss from bridging the seam
3. Proximity sensor problems causing "dropped" calls
The display of bars is related to issue 1. Issue 2 only seems to affect some phones (even when side by side when they should have the same signal) and is likely some sort of manufacturing issue (HW assembly or SW related). Issue 3 probably contributes to the perception of the severity of signal problems but is a separate issue.
I've posted several times as to what I see the issues to be. Briefly:
1. Signal drops from touching antenna
2. Service loss from bridging the seam
3. Proximity sensor problems causing "dropped" calls
The display of bars is related to issue 1. Issue 2 only seems to affect some phones (even when side by side when they should have the same signal) and is likely some sort of manufacturing issue (HW assembly or SW related). Issue 3 probably contributes to the perception of the severity of signal problems but is a separate issue.
Ok...
Just pretend he doesn't exist. The issue is real and plenty of people believe you, and many more have it. 50% of the nearly 50,000 people with iPhone 4s who took the Macrumors poll have the issue. Don't be discouraged.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that the outright falsities by many of the antenna denialist's are spurring people on to correct them not put them off. Their tactic has backfired for a lot of people. Telling people that they're mad, stupid etc for posting their experiences was a really bad idea and not what I would have expected from the people here before this happened.
As to the keynote wifi problem, I find it odd that when the wifi failed and the iPhone 4 switched to cellular that the iPhone 4 hadn't been activated. If that's typical for Apple, then fine, no conspiracy theory, but if it's not is does make me wonder if they may have done that in attempt to mask any possible antenna issues.
... As to the keynote wifi problem, I find it odd that when the wifi failed and the iPhone 4 switched to cellular that the iPhone 4 hadn't been activated. If that's typical for Apple, then fine, no conspiracy theory, but if it's not is does make me wonder if they may have done that in attempt to mask any possible antenna issues.
You either have no idea what you are talking about, or don't care. The iP4 did not "switch to cellular". That dialog will come up for any cellular iDevice that hasn't been activated whenever the cellular features are turned on, even if you aren't attempting to use them. It's meaningless, you've been told it's meaningless, yet you keep pushing this nonsense.
You are either incapable of rational thought, or you aren't posting here with any interest in the truth.
If you missed it, your theory about this has already been entirely discredited. The dialog that popped up indicates that the phone has not been activated on a cellular network. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues or non-issues involved here. It has nothing to do with the iP4 switching "to it's [sic] cellular data." This has already been pointed out to you in another thread, where you were promoting the same conspiracy theory nonsense.
We are not in a country that is highly regarded for it's corporate ethics. So if I or anyone else subscribe to a conspiracy theory, convince yourself over and over that you don't buy it. You never know what is going to happen tomorrow!
Explain how my 3GS does the something at times? I think we have several issues going on at once. Real, but one off problems with individual phones, this bars issue, problems with 4.0, and normal AT&T stuff.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. If you're asking asking me to explain why you sometimes get the message "Could not activate data network." on your 3GS whilst you have the phone activated I don't know all the reasons why that happens. I do know that it can happen when carriers make changes to their networks or experience problems, so that may have been why you got that message.