This is forward thinking. HD is about to replaced with super HD and 3D screen technology, blu-ray can't support 4096, so in a couple of years when this becomes the standard, digital delivery or media on SD cards will probably be the norm. No point adopting a technology which fundamentally changes the hardware and software configuration on a product when the shelf life will be extremely limited.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Hey Grandpa, download this movie this weekend while your out of town and it might be finished by Monday morning. This is assuming Grandpa HAS a computer in the first place.
DVD's are perfect for sharing with non tech people, the kind that don't visit this forum. Not everyone thinks like the community here, thank goodness.
As far as Blu Ray being outdated in a couple of years, I agree with you. You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?
You still can - iDVD does not do any DVD playback - that is a completely different application.
*sigh*
Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.
Point being, Apple (Steve) is not abandoning iDVD (if they really are) because they think no one is sharing home movies in this manner. They are killing it (if they really are) because they think optical media as a format is dead and I'm really getting tired of this.
Apple, you don't steer the optical media world. You don't steer the ad business with iAD, and you don't steer journalism with the iPad. The only thing Steve Jobs needs to steer is his car to the doctor and have his medication checked because this guy is totally out of his mind.
I hope Tim Cook doesn't go to HP because Steve Jobs must go.
iDVD is too limited in what it does, that functionality can easily be slotted into iMovie with an export to DVD option, having a separate application for a niche function is pretty pointless.
OH! I see! It needs to go because it always sucked? Like Consumer reports and Flash??
I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.
If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?
Because it costs money to maintain and support. If not that many people use it, why would they keep it around?
There's still Toast and other apps you can buy if you want to make DVDs. Why would you insist your DVD creation tool come from Apple?
I'd rather Apple put their resources into products that lots of people actually use.
Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.
You are confused.
DVD Player provides playback capability, not iDVD. The latter is an authoring application. Your DVD library is not obsolete.
Most likely, your current version of iDVD will continue to work for some time. Of course, you will have the option of using third-party DVD authoring software (Roxio Toast, Adobe Premiere, etc.).
Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?
Well, actually, yes, he does have a lot of influence.
If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?
I'm not sure you understand the way iLife works, and how it fits in with your average Mac user (and remember, this is all about the average user, not your specific requirements, or mine). If you have any use for iDVD, if you are a regular user etc then you already have the latest version. It was already effectively deprecated in iLife'09 when it has no upgrades from the '08 version, but they threw it on the disc anyway, quietly hiding it in a corner. Check out http://www.apple.com/ilife/ and try to find reference to it. It's there, but it's hardly made to feel like it has a place unlike the other 4 apps which get nice big feature links.
Remember, anyone purchasing iLife rather than getting it free is merely purchasing an upgrade. You have the old disc, so use that if you ever need to re-install it. New users who don't have an old disc who are like new to the Mac platform won't miss what they never had. Although even in this instance I suspect they will hide it in a corner for download for those who *really* need it, like they did with iMovie HD when '08 came out.
Also as everyone has already pointed out, if iDVD was just for authoring your own movies, not merely watching them. the DVD player app is totally separate.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it?
Buy Toast and make a DVD. That's the beauty of third party applications. They're more adept at meeting needs of small subsets of users. They're there to step in when Apple decides they don't want to offer a solution.
iDVD has nothing to do with your collection of DVD movies, or your player. You are making yet another knee-jerk reaction to something you don't know anything about without thinking, looking anything up, or even stopping for a breath.
I'd bet you haven't even used iDVD. Most people haven't. I work with iLife day in and day out and the number of people that actually need and use the iDVD part is tiny. Even if you don't believe that discs are on the way out, iDVD is not something that a lot of folks use.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
They aren't going to turn up with a crack squad of elite CD collectors to take away your existing version you know
I wonder what the usefulness of bringing iWeb to iOS is? Maybe some people would design the the occasional web content on the iPad, but it's hard to see it being a popular task on the iPhone or iPod Touch. An iOS Garageband would be interesting, although it could feel gimmicky if not done right.
These apps will be very useful on the iPad. I work in public affairs for the U.S. Army, we currently use the iPad, while on location, to view our photos taken with a 12MP camera, make allowable color corrections and crop, write our captions and stories in the pages app and send them directly to our contacts for distribution directly from the field. We no longer have to wait to get back to our office 5 hours after the mission or event to publish our stories. We currently use Photoshop express but the color correction is limited compared to iPhoto on the Mac or until Adobe comes up with a better app. Movies from our small video cameras are not currently supported, so the iMovie app would be appreciated. What we have now works well for us but the inclusion of the iLlife Suite could make the iPad an even more versatile tool for completing our assignments.
Another reason I won't be upgrading....along with Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie...etc. etc. etc.
What has Quicktime and iTunes got to do with iLife? And what kind of "reasons" is just making a list of software? I'm not upgrading because of iMovie is not a reason. I'm not upgrading because I don't need any more from iMovie than I already get, might be, or I'm not upgrading because iMovie blah blah something might work. You can't just pick a piece of software and call it a reason for not upgrading as if we are all psychic and understand what you particular beef is.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, Apple aren't going to abandon all burning to DVD, not for a couple of years yet I'd guess. DVD is established, blu-ray isn't and never will be. Technology evolves too fast for physical formats to keep up anymore.
We went from vinyl to 8 track and cassette over 60 years.
We went from cassette to CD over 10 years.
We went from CD to Digital audio tracks in 5
We went from standard CRT televisions to flat screen over 40 years
We've gone from flat screen to HD in under 10 years.
We've gone from HD to 3D Super HD in under 5.
Tying to any one physical optical media is a mistake with such exponential evolution - blu-ray will be surpassed incredibly quickly and optical drives simply aren't the future. I can imagine a time in the very near future where super HD content is delivered on SD cards.
There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?
Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?
Typical Blackintosh assumption? I made no assumption, I read the article here that said it was going to happen.
How many people are still burning dvd's? I don't know. How many? Probably lots of people do.
And lastly you still didn't answer my question. If you make a hi def movie, home movie, rock video, porno, whatever, how are you going to share it? Mobile Me? You Tube?
Instead of telling me that time marches on and I'm to be left behind, tell me where you're going so I can come with.
Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.
But you still can - There are several third party apps that allow for DVD creation and they typically do alot better job of it than iDVD.
iDVD hasn't been upgraded in forever - just because Apple doesn't want to spend money developing doesn't mean anything - as long as Apple computers are going to contain optical drives (which they still do), there is going to be a market for DVD making software. This rumor just indicates that the market is not compelling enough anymore to waste development resources (which are finite) to further a program that they haven't updated in quite awhile.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
iDVD will still be available for those that want it though, just like the old version of iMovie has been available all this time even though the new version is in it's third iteration now. It just won't be a part of the iLife suite because not that many people use it.
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This is forward thinking. HD is about to replaced with super HD and 3D screen technology, blu-ray can't support 4096, so in a couple of years when this becomes the standard, digital delivery or media on SD cards will probably be the norm. No point adopting a technology which fundamentally changes the hardware and software configuration on a product when the shelf life will be extremely limited.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Hey Grandpa, download this movie this weekend while your out of town and it might be finished by Monday morning. This is assuming Grandpa HAS a computer in the first place.
DVD's are perfect for sharing with non tech people, the kind that don't visit this forum. Not everyone thinks like the community here, thank goodness.
As far as Blu Ray being outdated in a couple of years, I agree with you. You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
lol - you've really missed the boat haven't you.
You show them on your shiny 27" screen, or stream to your apple TV, why wait four hours for it to burn to DVD?
You are assuming my relatives are foolish enough to come over to my home in the first place.
The future of HD media is not blu-ray.
Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?
You still can - iDVD does not do any DVD playback - that is a completely different application.
*sigh*
Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.
Point being, Apple (Steve) is not abandoning iDVD (if they really are) because they think no one is sharing home movies in this manner. They are killing it (if they really are) because they think optical media as a format is dead and I'm really getting tired of this.
Apple, you don't steer the optical media world. You don't steer the ad business with iAD, and you don't steer journalism with the iPad. The only thing Steve Jobs needs to steer is his car to the doctor and have his medication checked because this guy is totally out of his mind.
I hope Tim Cook doesn't go to HP because Steve Jobs must go.
iDVD is too limited in what it does, that functionality can easily be slotted into iMovie with an export to DVD option, having a separate application for a niche function is pretty pointless.
OH! I see! It needs to go because it always sucked? Like Consumer reports and Flash??
I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.
If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?
Because it costs money to maintain and support. If not that many people use it, why would they keep it around?
There's still Toast and other apps you can buy if you want to make DVDs. Why would you insist your DVD creation tool come from Apple?
I'd rather Apple put their resources into products that lots of people actually use.
Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.
You are confused.
DVD Player provides playback capability, not iDVD. The latter is an authoring application. Your DVD library is not obsolete.
Most likely, your current version of iDVD will continue to work for some time. Of course, you will have the option of using third-party DVD authoring software (Roxio Toast, Adobe Premiere, etc.).
Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?
Well, actually, yes, he does have a lot of influence.
If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?
I'm not sure you understand the way iLife works, and how it fits in with your average Mac user (and remember, this is all about the average user, not your specific requirements, or mine). If you have any use for iDVD, if you are a regular user etc then you already have the latest version. It was already effectively deprecated in iLife'09 when it has no upgrades from the '08 version, but they threw it on the disc anyway, quietly hiding it in a corner. Check out http://www.apple.com/ilife/ and try to find reference to it. It's there, but it's hardly made to feel like it has a place unlike the other 4 apps which get nice big feature links.
Remember, anyone purchasing iLife rather than getting it free is merely purchasing an upgrade. You have the old disc, so use that if you ever need to re-install it. New users who don't have an old disc who are like new to the Mac platform won't miss what they never had. Although even in this instance I suspect they will hide it in a corner for download for those who *really* need it, like they did with iMovie HD when '08 came out.
Also as everyone has already pointed out, if iDVD was just for authoring your own movies, not merely watching them. the DVD player app is totally separate.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it?
Buy Toast and make a DVD. That's the beauty of third party applications. They're more adept at meeting needs of small subsets of users. They're there to step in when Apple decides they don't want to offer a solution.
iDVD has nothing to do with your collection of DVD movies, or your player. You are making yet another knee-jerk reaction to something you don't know anything about without thinking, looking anything up, or even stopping for a breath.
I'd bet you haven't even used iDVD. Most people haven't. I work with iLife day in and day out and the number of people that actually need and use the iDVD part is tiny. Even if you don't believe that discs are on the way out, iDVD is not something that a lot of folks use.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
Another reason I won't be upgrading....along with Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie...etc. etc. etc.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
They aren't going to turn up with a crack squad of elite CD collectors to take away your existing version you know
I wonder what the usefulness of bringing iWeb to iOS is? Maybe some people would design the the occasional web content on the iPad, but it's hard to see it being a popular task on the iPhone or iPod Touch. An iOS Garageband would be interesting, although it could feel gimmicky if not done right.
These apps will be very useful on the iPad. I work in public affairs for the U.S. Army, we currently use the iPad, while on location, to view our photos taken with a 12MP camera, make allowable color corrections and crop, write our captions and stories in the pages app and send them directly to our contacts for distribution directly from the field. We no longer have to wait to get back to our office 5 hours after the mission or event to publish our stories. We currently use Photoshop express but the color correction is limited compared to iPhoto on the Mac or until Adobe comes up with a better app. Movies from our small video cameras are not currently supported, so the iMovie app would be appreciated. What we have now works well for us but the inclusion of the iLlife Suite could make the iPad an even more versatile tool for completing our assignments.
'and will be ditching iDVD...'
Another reason I won't be upgrading....along with Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie...etc. etc. etc.
What has Quicktime and iTunes got to do with iLife? And what kind of "reasons" is just making a list of software? I'm not upgrading because of iMovie is not a reason. I'm not upgrading because I don't need any more from iMovie than I already get, might be, or I'm not upgrading because iMovie blah blah something might work. You can't just pick a piece of software and call it a reason for not upgrading as if we are all psychic and understand what you particular beef is.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, Apple aren't going to abandon all burning to DVD, not for a couple of years yet I'd guess. DVD is established, blu-ray isn't and never will be. Technology evolves too fast for physical formats to keep up anymore.
We went from vinyl to 8 track and cassette over 60 years.
We went from cassette to CD over 10 years.
We went from CD to Digital audio tracks in 5
We went from standard CRT televisions to flat screen over 40 years
We've gone from flat screen to HD in under 10 years.
We've gone from HD to 3D Super HD in under 5.
Tying to any one physical optical media is a mistake with such exponential evolution - blu-ray will be surpassed incredibly quickly and optical drives simply aren't the future. I can imagine a time in the very near future where super HD content is delivered on SD cards.
There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?
Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?
Typical Blackintosh assumption? I made no assumption, I read the article here that said it was going to happen.
How many people are still burning dvd's? I don't know. How many? Probably lots of people do.
And lastly you still didn't answer my question. If you make a hi def movie, home movie, rock video, porno, whatever, how are you going to share it? Mobile Me? You Tube?
Instead of telling me that time marches on and I'm to be left behind, tell me where you're going so I can come with.
*sigh*
Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.
But you still can - There are several third party apps that allow for DVD creation and they typically do alot better job of it than iDVD.
iDVD hasn't been upgraded in forever - just because Apple doesn't want to spend money developing doesn't mean anything - as long as Apple computers are going to contain optical drives (which they still do), there is going to be a market for DVD making software. This rumor just indicates that the market is not compelling enough anymore to waste development resources (which are finite) to further a program that they haven't updated in quite awhile.
Well, actually, yes, he does have a lot of influence.
Only with this forum sir.
I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
iDVD will still be available for those that want it though, just like the old version of iMovie has been available all this time even though the new version is in it's third iteration now. It just won't be a part of the iLife suite because not that many people use it.