How many apps does one REALLY need? Personally, anytime I think of a way to use my phone, there's been an app in the market place to help me accomplish my goal.
After a while, it just gets redundant, and Android's market place is healthy enough that your argument is invalid
The summer won't go to Android. Apple will have an iPad 3 someday and reduce the entry point of iPad 2. Most of these copycats can compete. And iOS is a much better OS than Android's latest first attempt at a tablet OS. Let's see if any Android manufacturer can do iMovie or GarageBand. They can't because the API set is nowhere near as good.
Here is the best part: the HDMI cable works with iPhone, iPod touch and iPad 1, as well as the new iPad. With iOS 4.3 I am assuming that those that don't want to buy iPad 2 can still get to take advantage of this new capability simply by upgrading their OS and buying the cable.
... Especially RIM who will soon deliver a competing product that will be slower, heavier, thicker, more expensive and have no apps.
i wouldn't go that far into derisive commentary. here's a quick look at that hardware specifications among a few tablets. http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/i...erry-playbook/ each tablet will serve their markets; who comes out on top is meaningless so long as whichever tablet satisfies the user requirements.
I had hoped for a Thunderbolt port as I think it would make a good tech demo, and the timing was right for it. Oh well. Sad that they're making me wait longer to see iOS 5
iPad 2 looks really good though and I'm glad HDMI finally made an appearance (I wonder if they used the unused pins in the dock connector for it since digital video out wasn't available before), it should be coming to the rest of the iOS devices now.
I'm guessing they may have used one or two unused pins in the connector, but as with other video technologies, you can put digital and analog signals on some of the same wires, and get a different result with the adapter you use. I imagine Apple doing something similar here in a bid to keep as many pins unused as possible for future things.
How many apps does one REALLY need? Personally, anytime I think of a way to use my phone, there's been an app in the market place to help me accomplish my goal.
After a while, it just gets redundant, and Android's market place is healthy enough that your argument is invalid
Actually your last sentence contradicts your first. I am dealing with this Summer - buy an iPad with 65k apps or an overpriced xoom, with a new untested OS and nothing like FaceTime, iMovies or GarageBand.
Apple has won. All it needs now is to release the ipad 3 this year, reduce price points on the iPad 2 and the rest ses dust.
I'm on the fence, too. Ultimately, though, I never even use the data up to my limit on my iPhone, and I use it liberally when not in a Wi-Fi network or I just don't feel like typing in a password. And most of what I would do outside of a Wi-Fi network I can just do on my iPhone for the rare times that I need to. I already pay for data that I don't use; I guess I don't think it's a good idea to pay for yet more data that I likely won't use. That way, it helps me justify getting a higher-capacity iPad (32GB) for almost the same amount of money for the 16GB model with 3G.
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I have an AT&T iphone 4. I'm planning on getting an iPad2. I'm wondering if I should save some bucks and get the iPad2 without 3G, and use the wifi hotspot from the iphone when I'm traveling and want the ipad to access the net.
I don't think I'll go that route, but its worth considering. Anybody have any thoughts?
Thunderbolt is proprietary to Intel and uses PCI Express. Why would the iPad use this? To support multiple displays far larger than 1080p? Ha! To access huge files on RAID? Ha!
I'm very happy to see HDMI out AND video mirroring. Thunderbolt is a PC interface.
To be able to plug it into the docks that will/should inevitably appear. With one TB connector you could connect the iPad to keyboard, external monitor, external speakers, and even external storage. Yes, laptops are designed for that, but it'd be cool for the iOS devices to be able to do it, too. And there will be other devices with TB on them - like probably sound mixing consoles, maybe video cameras. It's a small, fast connector. Yes, it's bus level (whatever that means), but I hope we see it popping up in interesting, unexpected places.
Here is the best part: the HDMI cable works with iPhone, iPod touch and iPad 1, as well as the new iPad. With iOS 4.3 I am assuming that those that don't want to buy iPad 2 can still get to take advantage of this new capability simply by upgrading their OS and buying the cable.
Am I right about this?
Now I'm jealous as SHIT rofl
The idea of loading up a bunch of 700mb movie files and bringing them to a friend's house has always been appealing to me. I'm real curious about how Apple implements this. Will DRM play a role? What about simultaneous charging while outputting to the tv?
OK, I really want one of these. When the iPad1 came out, I said to myself that I would wait until v2. Now, v2 is out, and I don't think I have the money to get one right away.
So, who here wants to buy one for me?
This seems like a very impressive upgrade, really. A5, much better graphics, HDMI out, thinner, etc. I'm really excited about this. I'm even excited about the Garage Band app, and I have the musical talent of a turtle.
I have to say, I don't get a lot of the criticisms I've seen so far.
i'm more interested to know if multichannel audio (lossy or otherwise) will be bitstreamed across the cable for media that has 5.1 AAC audio. from the specs i've read, it looks like MP4 container support, for audio, is limited to stereo. does anyone have a reliable source to clarify this point? thanks.
Actually your last sentence contradicts your first. I am dealing with this Summer - buy an iPad with 65k apps or an overpriced xoom, with a new untested OS and nothing like FaceTime, iMovies or GarageBand.
Apple has won. All it needs now is to release the ipad 3 this year, reduce price points on the iPad 2 and the rest ses dust.
Wait a second, release ipad 3 this year? you really think they will?
As far as nothing like the apps, you mentioned; imovies and garageband perhaps, but there are alternatives to facetime.
And how long do you think it will take for someone to make a knockoff of imove or garageband for android tablets?
Why is the RAM size important to you? Are there programs today that you can't run in the current iPad's RAM space?
More memory wI'll be very important. I woud like more on my current ipad for the browser. I hate when i switch pages it has to reload every time. I know this is a way of keeping the memory footprint more manageable. Bigger buffers will help with app switching as well.
I am interested that they mentioned 9x graphics speedup. This means that it could drive a Retina-type density display at iPad size twice as fast as the current iPad runs it's current 1024x768 display. Obviously was just a cost/manufacturability issue as to why they didn't bump the display, not a performance issue.
HDCP is supported by the HDMI specification (versions 1.0 and above). if the media mandates the use of HDCP, then whatever is connected to the iPad 2 via HDMI will have to accept and properly handle the handshake to permit video and audio transfer.
The problem with the XOOM is that its supporters are saying that there are all those Android apps, just as Steve Jobs said last year that the iPad could run all those iPhone apps.
iPad owners quickly learned, however, that they didn't like running non-optimized apps on their tablet.
When I tested out the XOOM I loaded both the NYT and MLB apps and they were pathetic compared to their iPad equivalents. At best, they were iPhone versions on a nice display.
The problem is that developers may not mind developing for multiple platforms, but they certainly don't like having to do multiple versions of the same app for the same platform. Until there are millions of Android tablets out there in the market, in the hands of consumers, all running the same version of Android, those optimized apps will only trickle out.
Give it at least another six months, then the XOOM might get interesting.
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The xoom is missing 65000 apps.
Frankly the xoom hasn't a hope.
60,000 of which all do the same damn thing.
How many apps does one REALLY need? Personally, anytime I think of a way to use my phone, there's been an app in the market place to help me accomplish my goal.
After a while, it just gets redundant, and Android's market place is healthy enough that your argument is invalid
That's a cute video for the smart cover.
But what are we supposed to do with it when holding the iPad during use?
You fold it around the back.
Why is the RAM size important to you? Are there programs today that you can't run in the current iPad's RAM space?
It's not about what can't be run NOW, it's about what COULD potentially run later with larger ram sizes...
Mirrored image HDMI FOR THE FUCKING WIN
Here is the best part: the HDMI cable works with iPhone, iPod touch and iPad 1, as well as the new iPad. With iOS 4.3 I am assuming that those that don't want to buy iPad 2 can still get to take advantage of this new capability simply by upgrading their OS and buying the cable.
Am I right about this?
... Especially RIM who will soon deliver a competing product that will be slower, heavier, thicker, more expensive and have no apps.
i wouldn't go that far into derisive commentary. here's a quick look at that hardware specifications among a few tablets. http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/i...erry-playbook/ each tablet will serve their markets; who comes out on top is meaningless so long as whichever tablet satisfies the user requirements.
I had hoped for a Thunderbolt port as I think it would make a good tech demo, and the timing was right for it. Oh well. Sad that they're making me wait longer to see iOS 5
iPad 2 looks really good though and I'm glad HDMI finally made an appearance (I wonder if they used the unused pins in the dock connector for it since digital video out wasn't available before), it should be coming to the rest of the iOS devices now.
I'm guessing they may have used one or two unused pins in the connector, but as with other video technologies, you can put digital and analog signals on some of the same wires, and get a different result with the adapter you use. I imagine Apple doing something similar here in a bid to keep as many pins unused as possible for future things.
60,000 of which all do the same damn thing.
How many apps does one REALLY need? Personally, anytime I think of a way to use my phone, there's been an app in the market place to help me accomplish my goal.
After a while, it just gets redundant, and Android's market place is healthy enough that your argument is invalid
Actually your last sentence contradicts your first. I am dealing with this Summer - buy an iPad with 65k apps or an overpriced xoom, with a new untested OS and nothing like FaceTime, iMovies or GarageBand.
Apple has won. All it needs now is to release the ipad 3 this year, reduce price points on the iPad 2 and the rest ses dust.
I have an AT&T iphone 4. I'm planning on getting an iPad2. I'm wondering if I should save some bucks and get the iPad2 without 3G, and use the wifi hotspot from the iphone when I'm traveling and want the ipad to access the net.
I don't think I'll go that route, but its worth considering. Anybody have any thoughts?
So do I because November seems a long time to wait for it's release.
P.S. in our date format it's 11/3
So you refer to the World Trade Center attacks as "11/9"? Not quite as catchy, is it?
Thunderbolt is proprietary to Intel and uses PCI Express. Why would the iPad use this? To support multiple displays far larger than 1080p? Ha! To access huge files on RAID? Ha!
I'm very happy to see HDMI out AND video mirroring. Thunderbolt is a PC interface.
To be able to plug it into the docks that will/should inevitably appear. With one TB connector you could connect the iPad to keyboard, external monitor, external speakers, and even external storage. Yes, laptops are designed for that, but it'd be cool for the iOS devices to be able to do it, too. And there will be other devices with TB on them - like probably sound mixing consoles, maybe video cameras. It's a small, fast connector. Yes, it's bus level (whatever that means), but I hope we see it popping up in interesting, unexpected places.
- Jasen.
Here is the best part: the HDMI cable works with iPhone, iPod touch and iPad 1, as well as the new iPad. With iOS 4.3 I am assuming that those that don't want to buy iPad 2 can still get to take advantage of this new capability simply by upgrading their OS and buying the cable.
Am I right about this?
Now I'm jealous as SHIT rofl
The idea of loading up a bunch of 700mb movie files and bringing them to a friend's house has always been appealing to me. I'm real curious about how Apple implements this. Will DRM play a role? What about simultaneous charging while outputting to the tv?
So, who here wants to buy one for me?
This seems like a very impressive upgrade, really. A5, much better graphics, HDMI out, thinner, etc. I'm really excited about this. I'm even excited about the Garage Band app, and I have the musical talent of a turtle.
I have to say, I don't get a lot of the criticisms I've seen so far.
Apple gave us the HDMI output we've been wanting.
i'm more interested to know if multichannel audio (lossy or otherwise) will be bitstreamed across the cable for media that has 5.1 AAC audio. from the specs i've read, it looks like MP4 container support, for audio, is limited to stereo. does anyone have a reliable source to clarify this point? thanks.
Actually your last sentence contradicts your first. I am dealing with this Summer - buy an iPad with 65k apps or an overpriced xoom, with a new untested OS and nothing like FaceTime, iMovies or GarageBand.
Apple has won. All it needs now is to release the ipad 3 this year, reduce price points on the iPad 2 and the rest ses dust.
Wait a second, release ipad 3 this year? you really think they will?
As far as nothing like the apps, you mentioned; imovies and garageband perhaps, but there are alternatives to facetime.
And how long do you think it will take for someone to make a knockoff of imove or garageband for android tablets?
Why is the RAM size important to you? Are there programs today that you can't run in the current iPad's RAM space?
More memory wI'll be very important. I woud like more on my current ipad for the browser. I hate when i switch pages it has to reload every time. I know this is a way of keeping the memory footprint more manageable. Bigger buffers will help with app switching as well.
I am interested that they mentioned 9x graphics speedup. This means that it could drive a Retina-type density display at iPad size twice as fast as the current iPad runs it's current 1024x768 display. Obviously was just a cost/manufacturability issue as to why they didn't bump the display, not a performance issue.
Charging and syncing is done over a 4 pin USB connection. 19+4 < 30
But, there are only 2 free pinouts out of 30...
Assume the 4 pin USB is passed through, then
19 > 2 out of 30
Will DRM play a role?
HDCP is supported by the HDMI specification (versions 1.0 and above). if the media mandates the use of HDCP, then whatever is connected to the iPad 2 via HDMI will have to accept and properly handle the handshake to permit video and audio transfer.
iPad owners quickly learned, however, that they didn't like running non-optimized apps on their tablet.
When I tested out the XOOM I loaded both the NYT and MLB apps and they were pathetic compared to their iPad equivalents. At best, they were iPhone versions on a nice display.
The problem is that developers may not mind developing for multiple platforms, but they certainly don't like having to do multiple versions of the same app for the same platform. Until there are millions of Android tablets out there in the market, in the hands of consumers, all running the same version of Android, those optimized apps will only trickle out.
Give it at least another six months, then the XOOM might get interesting.