Now we just need Majel Barrett to provide the voice...
This is the standout feature for certain. It appears to genuinely work. If it does, it's a breakthrough and will actually impact directly on the way you use your phone. It is perfect for drivers and the blind.
Apple don't get enough credit for how much they do for those with a disability. This could change lives for some people.
I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.
You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?
I asked my phone to "navigate to *****'s house."
Single core clocked at 400MHz.
Responded immediately and opened up Google maps, and put the route in there with the 3D voice navigation.
Want me to clock it down to 200MHz and try it again?
So that couldn't possibly have been in the works before that app existed. Obviously.
That's always the party excuse when they steal user features from someone else. If the developers of Camera+ could do it, Apple would have done it long before them. Apple is using this to drive sales. Not the first time they've restricted features to sell more phones. Being an Apple shill must be tiring. You haven't given me a single logical reason to disable the Siri app on functioning hardware. Apple is famous for giving future functionality of new features away in beta iOS releases. Even Forstall had a smirk/smug look on his face when he said the volume button could be used as a shutter button. He knew it was taken from an app that had it disabled and was going to be used in a future release for their own gain. If the function was so against the app developer guidelines they wouldn't use it themselves.
Also, they're in charge, so if you feel you think you can do something about it, go right ahead.
Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.
Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.
So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?
It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not
All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.
The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.
You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?
If he is refering to google voice search, then hes right; it takes very little processing power since all the work is done on google's end.
All that is done from your phone is sending the recording to google's servers, then waiting for the response command to be sent back. However, this also means that voice commands are not available when you don't have a signal/data connection.
It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not
All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.
The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.
Glad I waited for the 4S now, though...
I have a feeling Siri will only be exclusive to the 4S for a limited time...
I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.
It's illegal here in the UK to hold your phone while driving so it will be very useful to me.
It will help blind people because the whole point is you don't have to use the touch screen. They can feel for the home button and hold it. The rest is vocal. That's probably why they have a blind girl in the Siri video...
So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?
Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.
Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.
Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.
Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
It doesn't, unfortunately. It requires the Internet to work.
I say give me the option of taking up eight gigabytes with Siri's software so that I don't need to have an Internet connection to use it, but that's me.
Will it work on iPhone 4? No. IS it revolutionary? Yes. It will set a standard for Smart Phones in the future. Is it going to work when an ambulance is going by? Probably not. How many people can understand you talking too them when an ambulance is going by? Get real people. iPhone 4S is not the iPhone 5. It is an upgrade to the iPhone 4. The ipHone 5 will come in its own time. SO all those who are upset.... Stop it. Get real and live with the wonderful iPhone 4S.
I am thinking its on the 4s and not the 4 because of the dual processor. siri will use one processor while the app its using to look up uses the other one.
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. They wouldn't spend money on a bank of servers to be used by millions of people to turn right around and shut them off again. Voice recognition and information gathering doesn't require that much power I'd imagine. I'd bet the A4 could cope just fine, especially if Phil is telling the truth and the app requires off site processing power. If that's the case then the iPhone 4 could easily handle Siri, and there would be no point to shut off the servers if it were required. Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see why he'd say they are using servers to do the heavy lifting, especially with other languages like German, and then turn them off.
You seriously think voice dictation requires a dual core at any clock speed? This is incredibly simple.
Siri on the other hand, is a joke. This would take absolutely no CPU.
you people...
I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.
Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. \\
This may have more to do about the scope of Siri context for searches services. A design assumption may have been made that the search context assumes you are always connected. This way, Siri does not need to burden itself with carefully limiting its search service scope to only local resources in case the device is offline.
I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.
There is no AI here though. It's translation. There is a speech recognition part and a information gathering part. The app traslates speech to text, decodes what you want, and then looks it up. After trying to learn German, I highly doubt the phone hardware is doing all of the processing and Phil Schiller said it requires servers to function. Maybe that's what part of the NC data center is for? Part iCloud storage and part servers for Siri?
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Now we just need Majel Barrett to provide the voice...
This is the standout feature for certain. It appears to genuinely work. If it does, it's a breakthrough and will actually impact directly on the way you use your phone. It is perfect for drivers and the blind.
Apple don't get enough credit for how much they do for those with a disability. This could change lives for some people.
I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.
You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?
I asked my phone to "navigate to *****'s house."
Single core clocked at 400MHz.
Responded immediately and opened up Google maps, and put the route in there with the 3D voice navigation.
Want me to clock it down to 200MHz and try it again?
I wonder if Siri will make it to Mac OS Lion.
Yes it would be nice to have Siri feature in the Mac
So that couldn't possibly have been in the works before that app existed. Obviously.
That's always the party excuse when they steal user features from someone else. If the developers of Camera+ could do it, Apple would have done it long before them. Apple is using this to drive sales. Not the first time they've restricted features to sell more phones. Being an Apple shill must be tiring. You haven't given me a single logical reason to disable the Siri app on functioning hardware. Apple is famous for giving future functionality of new features away in beta iOS releases. Even Forstall had a smirk/smug look on his face when he said the volume button could be used as a shutter button. He knew it was taken from an app that had it disabled and was going to be used in a future release for their own gain. If the function was so against the app developer guidelines they wouldn't use it themselves.
Ah. There's the reason, then.
Also, they're in charge, so if you feel you think you can do something about it, go right ahead.
Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.
Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.
So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?
But that has never been Apple's MO
It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not
All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.
The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.
Glad I waited for the 4S now, though...
You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?
If he is refering to google voice search, then hes right; it takes very little processing power since all the work is done on google's end.
All that is done from your phone is sending the recording to google's servers, then waiting for the response command to be sent back. However, this also means that voice commands are not available when you don't have a signal/data connection.
It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not
All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.
The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.
Glad I waited for the 4S now, though...
I have a feeling Siri will only be exclusive to the 4S for a limited time...
I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.
It's illegal here in the UK to hold your phone while driving so it will be very useful to me.
It will help blind people because the whole point is you don't have to use the touch screen. They can feel for the home button and hold it. The rest is vocal. That's probably why they have a blind girl in the Siri video...
So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?
Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.
Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.
Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.
Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
It doesn't, unfortunately. It requires the Internet to work.
I say give me the option of taking up eight gigabytes with Siri's software so that I don't need to have an Internet connection to use it, but that's me.
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
That would be impressive. Or the thing could only recognize a few words, accents, etc...
Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. They wouldn't spend money on a bank of servers to be used by millions of people to turn right around and shut them off again. Voice recognition and information gathering doesn't require that much power I'd imagine. I'd bet the A4 could cope just fine, especially if Phil is telling the truth and the app requires off site processing power. If that's the case then the iPhone 4 could easily handle Siri, and there would be no point to shut off the servers if it were required. Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see why he'd say they are using servers to do the heavy lifting, especially with other languages like German, and then turn them off.
You seriously think voice dictation requires a dual core at any clock speed? This is incredibly simple.
Siri on the other hand, is a joke. This would take absolutely no CPU.
you people...
I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.
Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. \\
This may have more to do about the scope of Siri context for searches services. A design assumption may have been made that the search context assumes you are always connected. This way, Siri does not need to burden itself with carefully limiting its search service scope to only local resources in case the device is offline.
I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.
There is no AI here though. It's translation. There is a speech recognition part and a information gathering part. The app traslates speech to text, decodes what you want, and then looks it up. After trying to learn German, I highly doubt the phone hardware is doing all of the processing and Phil Schiller said it requires servers to function. Maybe that's what part of the NC data center is for? Part iCloud storage and part servers for Siri?