I was really concerned about the new "flat" design before the keynote. But man this thing is delightful and is like a breath of fresh air. It is not a flat design as most people thought. You still get a sense of depth. I love it.
In this thread, we'll hear from a bunch of non-designers who have poor taste and could never design anything themselves and who don't at all properly represent the mainstream public complain endlessly about "poor design".
Sigh.
No, kidding - people who couldn't design their way out of a wet paper bag. Not to f***ing mention they haven't seen it in person yet ... faaacking fools....
It is flat in plenty of ways. It's certainly flatter than it used to be. The design doesn't have to be completely flat in order to have elements of flat design. I think you're hung up on some absurd idea that there is only one way to do things within any artistic style. Contrary to that, there were many painters who used the realist style, the impressionist style, and the expressionist style but you can still easily tell two painters apart if you're familiar with art.
Very exciting time to be an apple product owner - I'm so glad this company is rocking out the features and enhancements! They're going in the right direction. And it's easy to see they're laying a great foundation for future updates. The design language is very smart, and the whole package looks awesome!
Ok first, I owe the world an apology. I said Craig was a horrible presenter. He's actually very good, humorous and funny.
Having said that, I hope the new look of iOS grows on me. I'm not crazy about it so far. There is a lot to like w/ multitasking, etc, but the icon colors and such are kinda gimmicky to me.
Probably not a popular opinion here, but it's mine and I'm entitled to it. I am not hating on what Jonny has done, he's brilliant, but those icons...just not for me.
Craig did a great job today, in my humble opinion. Someone I'd be very happy to meet.
It wasn't full multitasking until iOS 7, unless you think this new multitasking is exactly like it was before. If that's the case please explain why they made a big deal about it in the presentation and why the attendees cheered. It's different now. It sucked before. Now it doesn't suck.
Duh, that's what I said, and what was said at the presentation.
iOS always had multitasking (which is why you could ALWAYS listen to music whilst doing something else, i.e. multitasking). This was ONLY for native apps.
In iOS 4, Apple allowed select third-party apps to multitask. Full multitasking was, as I said, restricted.
It's still restricted, but now opened up much more to all apps. It's still not a free-for-all though.
The point was that iOS's core always was capable of this, that it was a purposed restriction until hardware (battery) caught up.
I think it looks pretty nice. The Safari compass looks a bit plain, and I wonder if there can be a more modern representation of "phone" than the handset of an old Bakelite phone.
Wow, lots of mixed opinions in my head. Some bits looks really nice, other bits looks awful. Sadly a lot of it also looks stolen from Win Phone and Android.
I watched the keynote on my big-screen (via Apple TV). love, Love, LOVE the fact that Apple is finally simplifying and basically cleaning up the interface. Really like 1) Control Center, 2) the fact that a group can have multiple "pages" to hold more than 12 apps, 3) auto-updating apps, and 4) the new left-to-right gesture and all that it will bring. Just looks like a great update to me. Anxiously waiting for fall.
There will likely be features not shown for both the iPhone 5S and new iPads. I for one love the new design and functionality. It is not only beautiful, but looks to add more functionality without adding gimmicks or complexity. Apple has defiantly maintained its OS superiority with this.
I like a lot of it also, but it seems very much a mish-mash to me.
Most of it is interesting, different, original and quite attractive but here and there there are stunning "uglies" (Safari icon for one), and parts of it look very cluttered and sort of "last minute" design.
Even the beautiful parts are worrisome however in that it seems very strongly derivative of other operating systems particularly Windows Phone. I know everyone copies everyone else, but for a company that has built it's reputation on the assertion that all Microsoft can do is copy Apple's original ideas, to take such a large helping of ideas for iOS 7 straight from Redmond is both surprising and a bit two-faced. Other parts are clearly copies of WebOS or Android.
It's also full of gimmicky things that you wouldn't expect Apple to do like the 3D background effect and the silly multi-tasking previews. I would have bet money that they wouldn't "go there" as the feature adds no real utility while using up screen real estate.
I know I will get pilloried for saying it, but IMO Apple really is (at least partially), losing it's touch it seems.
I mean the only proof of that you need is the term ... "OS X Mavericks."
Earlier this month I mentioned that I wasn't sold on whether or not Ive in charge of the user experience would be positive. I think that has been answered now, and I think the answer is that it was a good move to make. In contrast to what the press wanted to make of it, the design is simpler, not flatter. No square icons, in contrast to the wonks predicting it, and no absolute banning of texture, just a very refined use of it.
Although I don't like some aspects (game center, in particular, is just a new kind of awful IMO), overall I like it and think it is promising.
It is flat in plenty of ways. It's certainly flatter than it used to be. The design doesn't have to be completely flat in order to have elements of flat design. I think you're hung up on some absurd idea that there is only one way to do things within any artistic style. Contrary to that, there were many painters who used the realist style, the impressionist style, and the expressionist style but you can still easily tell two painters apart if you're familiar with art.
It is not "flat" (notice the quotes) in the sense that many people were predicting it to be. For instance, I think it's foolish to lump it in with Windows and Gmail's design cues.
Basically, what was removed was gloss and skeuomorphism and was replaced with an emphasis with being "clean". You'll notice the word "flat" was never uttered.
Waiting for some idiot to talk about multitasking as if iOS just added it - it's been there all along, all Apple had to do was "flip a switch" to activate it.
Apple withheld a valuable feature until now, in some rude form of planned obsolescence?
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I was really concerned about the new "flat" design before the keynote. But man this thing is delightful and is like a breath of fresh air. It is not a flat design as most people thought. You still get a sense of depth. I love it.
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Did Ive really get a standing O after that video? Business Insider says so but I don't trust them.
Yes, correct.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
In this thread, we'll hear from a bunch of non-designers who have poor taste and could never design anything themselves and who don't at all properly represent the mainstream public complain endlessly about "poor design".
Sigh.
No, kidding - people who couldn't design their way out of a wet paper bag. Not to f***ing mention they haven't seen it in person yet ... faaacking fools....
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
iOS 7 is in no way "flat".
It is flat in plenty of ways. It's certainly flatter than it used to be. The design doesn't have to be completely flat in order to have elements of flat design. I think you're hung up on some absurd idea that there is only one way to do things within any artistic style. Contrary to that, there were many painters who used the realist style, the impressionist style, and the expressionist style but you can still easily tell two painters apart if you're familiar with art.
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Originally Posted by allenbf
Ok first, I owe the world an apology. I said Craig was a horrible presenter. He's actually very good, humorous and funny.
Having said that, I hope the new look of iOS grows on me. I'm not crazy about it so far. There is a lot to like w/ multitasking, etc, but the icon colors and such are kinda gimmicky to me.
Probably not a popular opinion here, but it's mine and I'm entitled to it. I am not hating on what Jonny has done, he's brilliant, but those icons...just not for me.
Craig did a great job today, in my humble opinion. Someone I'd be very happy to meet.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
It wasn't full multitasking until iOS 7, unless you think this new multitasking is exactly like it was before. If that's the case please explain why they made a big deal about it in the presentation and why the attendees cheered. It's different now. It sucked before. Now it doesn't suck.
Duh, that's what I said, and what was said at the presentation.
iOS always had multitasking (which is why you could ALWAYS listen to music whilst doing something else, i.e. multitasking). This was ONLY for native apps.
In iOS 4, Apple allowed select third-party apps to multitask. Full multitasking was, as I said, restricted.
It's still restricted, but now opened up much more to all apps. It's still not a free-for-all though.
The point was that iOS's core always was capable of this, that it was a purposed restriction until hardware (battery) caught up.
Ooh can't wait to replay that.
Wow, lots of mixed opinions in my head. Some bits looks really nice, other bits looks awful. Sadly a lot of it also looks stolen from Win Phone and Android.
I watched the keynote on my big-screen (via Apple TV). love, Love, LOVE the fact that Apple is finally simplifying and basically cleaning up the interface. Really like 1) Control Center, 2) the fact that a group can have multiple "pages" to hold more than 12 apps, 3) auto-updating apps, and 4) the new left-to-right gesture and all that it will bring. Just looks like a great update to me. Anxiously waiting for fall.
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Originally Posted by currentinterest
There will likely be features not shown for both the iPhone 5S and new iPads. I for one love the new design and functionality. It is not only beautiful, but looks to add more functionality without adding gimmicks or complexity. Apple has defiantly maintained its OS superiority with this.
I like a lot of it also, but it seems very much a mish-mash to me.
Most of it is interesting, different, original and quite attractive but here and there there are stunning "uglies" (Safari icon for one), and parts of it look very cluttered and sort of "last minute" design.
Even the beautiful parts are worrisome however in that it seems very strongly derivative of other operating systems particularly Windows Phone. I know everyone copies everyone else, but for a company that has built it's reputation on the assertion that all Microsoft can do is copy Apple's original ideas, to take such a large helping of ideas for iOS 7 straight from Redmond is both surprising and a bit two-faced. Other parts are clearly copies of WebOS or Android.
It's also full of gimmicky things that you wouldn't expect Apple to do like the 3D background effect and the silly multi-tasking previews. I would have bet money that they wouldn't "go there" as the feature adds no real utility while using up screen real estate.
I know I will get pilloried for saying it, but IMO Apple really is (at least partially), losing it's touch it seems.
I mean the only proof of that you need is the term ... "OS X Mavericks."
Earlier this month I mentioned that I wasn't sold on whether or not Ive in charge of the user experience would be positive. I think that has been answered now, and I think the answer is that it was a good move to make. In contrast to what the press wanted to make of it, the design is simpler, not flatter. No square icons, in contrast to the wonks predicting it, and no absolute banning of texture, just a very refined use of it.
Although I don't like some aspects (game center, in particular, is just a new kind of awful IMO), overall I like it and think it is promising.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
It is flat in plenty of ways. It's certainly flatter than it used to be. The design doesn't have to be completely flat in order to have elements of flat design. I think you're hung up on some absurd idea that there is only one way to do things within any artistic style. Contrary to that, there were many painters who used the realist style, the impressionist style, and the expressionist style but you can still easily tell two painters apart if you're familiar with art.
It is not "flat" (notice the quotes) in the sense that many people were predicting it to be. For instance, I think it's foolish to lump it in with Windows and Gmail's design cues.
Basically, what was removed was gloss and skeuomorphism and was replaced with an emphasis with being "clean". You'll notice the word "flat" was never uttered.
Love it, was a little nervous before it started. And seriously there is no windows 8 in this, where is that coming from?
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
Waiting for some idiot to talk about multitasking as if iOS just added it - it's been there all along, all Apple had to do was "flip a switch" to activate it.
Apple withheld a valuable feature until now, in some rude form of planned obsolescence?
Please. Give them a little more credit.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Ooh can't wait to replay that.
Be sure to check out the camera when Phil Schiller said "Apple can't innovate, my ass."
Camera pans to Woz a few seconds later LMAO.
Epic
Anyone have a developer account they would pay to let me use? Send me a message. THX
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
Did I say I have superb design talents? I have decent talents, not superb.
Jony Ive has superb talents, that's universally recognized.
But no, you get your armchair critics who create an account just to post trash and say "eww, fail".
Superb? Hardly. It doesn't take a lot of talent to strip all the flair out of everything.