Finland prime minister again blames Apple for destroying national economy

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  • Reply 61 of 182
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    After everyone has jumped down this guy's throat, consider that he might not be blaming so much as explaining.

    Very few considered that because it doesn't make for good comments.
  • Reply 62 of 182
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,296member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
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    Yet Apple did exactly that with the iPhone.
    So the iMac, MacBook Pro, MacBook Pro Retina, MacBook Air, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iPad, iPad Mini, iPod, iPod Nano, the upcoming ? WATCH, Apple TV, Apple accessories, is putting all your eggs in one basket?

    Check...
  • Reply 63 of 182
    tommcintommcin Posts: 108member

    This guy is a bigger jerk than our Canadian prime minister.

     

    One suffers from paranoia when they can't think of anything that is their fault.

  • Reply 64 of 182
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,296member
    It's been said that Apple "bet the company" on the iPhone... it's equally true that MS, Palm, and RIMM also "bet their companies" on not jumping out of the path of the train and getting stuck like a deer in headlights.

    There, fixed that for you 8-)
  • Reply 65 of 182
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Sans iPhone, is Apple making more money than they did before the iPhone was introduced?

    How much less would they be making had the iPhone flopped? The iPhone is a gateway product that has led to increased sales of other devices.
  • Reply 66 of 182
     
    Although I love Apple - this guy does make a point.  If anyone has not read Jaron Lanier's "Who Own The Future?" - it's worth your time.  There won't be much for anyone to do in the future once all the jobs are destroyed for the middle class.  Steve did make a dent in the universe, although I'm not sure he would have eventually been happy with what that dent did. 

    If the people of the middle class don't do something now to change their future, they will end up like Nokia and really have no one to blame except their own inaction. All around the world there are people snug in their middle class life watching TV and burning through the opportunity to do what they need to do while there is time to do it. The future owes nothing to the past, but will be beholding to those who act in the present.

    The future never arrives.
  • Reply 67 of 182

    Good; screw ‘em.

     

    AMERICA

     

    They don’t like it, maybe they should have come up with something that could compete.

  • Reply 68 of 182
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    magman1979 wrote: »
    So the iMac, MacBook Pro, MacBook Pro Retina, MacBook Air, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iPad, iPad Mini, iPod, iPod Nano, the upcoming ? WATCH, Apple TV, Apple accessories, is putting all your eggs in one basket?

    Check...

    Do you think that Apple would be the same company if the iPhone had failed? All those other devices sell because of the iPhone, not in spite of it.
  • Reply 69 of 182
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,914member
    I didn't know the head of country is so ignorant blaming Apple for the Nokia's downfall. First Nokia became so complacent in it's dominance of cell phone industry that it stop innovating. Second, people in Finland bought cheap android phones and tablets that helped killed Nokia.
  • Reply 70 of 182
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheWhiteFalcon View Post

     

    Can't wait to see this used as a reason to downgrade the stock again. /s

     

    I think it's more China, exporting cheaper paper, that killed their paper industry. As for Nokia, blame MS and Google more than Apple.


     

    You hit it on the nail.

    In France, the whole wood secondary industry is dying because it is cheaper to log timber, send it in China and reimport the furnitures or planks than doing it locally. Totally absurd logistically, and quality is going down the toilet, but man hours heavy industries simply cannot compete. 

     

    China has little exploitable forests so need to import almost all its furniture wood. Now loggers and cutters have huge grins because lumber prices surged a lot in the last 10 years.

  • Reply 71 of 182
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    All those other devices sell because of the iPhone, not in spite of it.

     

    You mean the iPod touch, iPad, and ? Watch sell because of it.

  • Reply 72 of 182
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    How much less would they be making had the iPhone flopped? The iPhone is a gateway product that has led to increased sales of other devices.

    1) No argument here, but you said Apple has put their eggs in one basket and that is not the case with the iPhone. It's simply that the iPhone is simply more successful than all their other areas of business, but all their other areas of business completely kill the competition in terms of profits. The iPod was dominant but they cannibalized absorbed it like mitochondria in a cell to evolve their ecosystem.

    2) In fact, the notion of "gateway" product and "increase sales of other devices" is proof in your own word they have not put their eggs in one basket, unless you want to say that being a CE company is putting your eggs in one basket, but then you have most companies that are as well as Apple branching out into fashion with the ?Watch.
  • Reply 73 of 182
    magman1979 wrote: »
    You referring to this nugget?

    [VIDEO]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/XnsK7wUP8RU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/VIDEO]

    Actually, both the interviewer, and Elop, were acting like a-holes in this the clip...

    He's probably still laughing on a beach somewhere. CEOs never pay for their incompetence.
  • Reply 74 of 182

    Good grief he makes it sound like their entire country is finnished.

  • Reply 75 of 182
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,296member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Do you think that Apple would be the same company if the iPhone had failed? All those other devices sell because of the iPhone, not in spite of it.
    I definitely don't think Apple would be the same company today had the iPhone either not been invented, or been successful.

    And while you do make a valid point at the other devices' sales are assisted by the iPhone, there are MANY people who buy all the other products I mentioned in spite of the iPhone.

    I do believe Apple would've continued along without the iPhone, it just wouldn't be anywhere near as vast as it is today. By that token, that tells me Apple did not put all their eggs into one basket. I know Steve Jobs mentioned the iPhone was the proverbial Hail Mary of Apple, but it wouldn't have ended there either if it was a dud.
  • Reply 76 of 182
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) No argument here, but you said Apple ha put their eggs in one basket and that is not the case with the iPhone. It's simply that the iPhone is simply more successful than all their other areas of business, but all their other areas of business completely kill the competition in terms of profits. In fact, the iPod was dominant but they cannibalized absorbed it like mitochondria in a cell to evolve their ecosystem.

    2) In fact, the notion of "gateway" product and "increase sales of other devices" is proof in your own word they have not put their eggs in one basket, unless you want to say that being a CE company is putting your eggs in one basket, but then you have most companies that are as well as Apple branching out into fashion with the ?Watch.

    The eggs hatched, and the new chickens need other baskets to collect their eggs in. ;)
  • Reply 77 of 182
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,296member
    He's probably still laughing on a beach somewhere. CEOs never pay for their incompetence.
    Tell me about it!
  • Reply 78 of 182
    fafotfafot Posts: 19member
    It is always easier solving problems by blaming "somebody else" but yourself.
    Unfortunately, by blaming this "somebody else" the problems will re-occur and deepen!
  • Reply 79 of 182
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The eggs hatched, and the new chickens need other baskets to collect their eggs in. ;)

    Why are these chicken eggs?
  • Reply 80 of 182
    solipsismx wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The eggs hatched, and the new chickens need other baskets to collect their eggs in. ;)

    Why are these chicken eggs?

    In order that they can cross the road.
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