Someone else already posted a screenshot of the Tizen UI with round icons. The software on this watch is Tizen as well. Was Tizen copying the Apple Watch back in 2013?
OK, then show me the Applesque icons on previous Samsung smartwatches that ran Titzen and I'll concede that it's a coincidence and that Samsung has never ever copied any market leader ever.
edit: Not looking good for you: "all of our watches run Samsung's Tizen platform for wearables."
OK, then show me the Applesque icons on previous Samsung smartwatches that ran Titzen and I'll concede that it's a coincidence and that Samsung has never ever copied any market leader ever.
None of their other smart watches have been round. As I already stated, square icons on a round watch face are stupid. Samsung was already using round icons on their Tizen phone UI so I'm not surprised they would bring those to a round watch.
So if they had everything in place since 2013, why didn't they create a watch with that UI until now then? It's one thing to have pieces of a puzzle scattered around, it's another thing to have the whole puzzle together.
I own the 38 mm Apple Watch. I have yet to see a round smart watch with the display close to the size of my watch. All of them are a lot bigger. You can't utilize corners with a round display. Show me an actual round smart watch that is similar in size to the 38 mm Apple Watch and can display all information without cutting anything off.
The fact you haven't seen a round smart watch of a particular size that utilizes the display area effectively doesn't mean it can't be done. I haven't seen a UI on a round smart watch yet that I feel is well done, then again I haven't really been looking. But it doesn't really matter whether one exists currently, or not. What matters is whether it's possible or not. Your answer to that question seems to be to point to existing round Android watches as proof of its impossibility and impracticality.
From iMore.com: Unlike traditional watches, which measure case size horizontally, Apple is measuring the Apple Watch vertically. The smaller of the two has a height of 38mm (specifically, 38.6mm); the larger, 42mm. When it comes to width, the smaller Apple Watch is 33.3mm wide; the larger, 35.9mm. These differences might not sound like very much — 3-4mm here or there — but 4mm out of 40mm is one tenth of the watch dimensions.
As the graphic indicates, people are used to wearing larger watches than the ?Watch. And it further demonstrates, as does my graphic, that the effective display area of the 38mm easily fits within a 38mm circle, which is technically larger than your rectangular watch. The fact no one may have done it, much less with an effective UI implementation, is by no means proof it can't, nor shouldn't, be done. In fact, I would argue that it could be made even smaller without any problems. I don't really hear anyone complaining that the 38mm is so much more difficult to use than the 42mm because the screen size is smaller.
So Samsung is copying LG now despite seemingly never previously putting these UI elements together in their smartwatches until their first release after the Apple Watch? In no way, can you see why Samsung would want to ride in Apple's successful Apple Watch wake and why it's foolish to think they would follow LG's lackluster and doomed smartwatch line?
This entire article is a real stretch, and of a much lower standard than I would have expected from Sam. DED, oh certainly -- I imagine he's throwing a tantrum right now that he didn't get to make this case himself. But its rather beneath the rest of the AI staff, IMO.
come on guys, it's a round watch. I have a feeling apple might 'copy' the design in the next generation. The wheel has already been invented, and everyone is using it. Stop this nonsense
Nope.
Are you expecting to see round phones, round iPads, and round TV's?
Hell no. A circle is a horrible shape for a computing device.
Jeezes! The guy totally misses the point; and then you reply to him by totally missing that he missed the point.
It's about the pirated (with minimal deviation) of the home screen interface at issue here. Not the shape of the device.
Do you seriously think someone can make a great UI using a round display?
It has never happenned before for a very good reason.
I agree, but a very good round display only have been around for a very long time. Your standard traditional watch or clock utilizes a round display for very obvious reasons. To use a round display for a smart watch is the a ridiculous skeuomorph.
The fact you haven't seen a round smart watch of a particular size that utilizes the display area effectively doesn't mean it can't be done. I haven't seen a UI on a round smart watch yet that I feel is well done, then again I haven't really been looking. But it doesn't really matter whether one exists currently, or not. What matters is whether it's possible or not. Your answer to that question seems to be to point to existing round Android watches as proof of its impossibility and impracticality.
From iMore.com: Unlike traditional watches, which measure case size horizontally, Apple is measuring the Apple Watch vertically. The smaller of the two has a height of 38mm (specifically, 38.6mm); the larger, 42mm. When it comes to width, the smaller Apple Watch is 33.3mm wide; the larger, 35.9mm. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">These differences might not sound like very much — 3-4mm here or there — but 4mm out of 40mm is one tenth of the watch dimensions. </span>
As the graphic indicates, people are used to wearing larger watches than the ?Watch. And it further demonstrates, as does my graphic, that the effective display area of the 38mm easily fits within a 38mm circle, which is technically larger than your rectangular watch. The fact no one may have done it, much less with an effective UI implementation, is by no means proof it can't, nor shouldn't, be done. In fact, I would argue that it could be made even smaller without any problems. I don't really hear anyone complaining that the 38mm is so much more difficult to use than the 42mm because the screen size is smaller.
Nothing you've written explains why round is good and you still haven't shown an actual smart watch with a size similar to the 38mm ?Watch displaying information (other than a clock face). Round is purely an aesthetic choice based on existing analog watches.
And it further demonstrates, as does my graphic, that the effective display area of the 38mm easily fits within a 38mm circle, which is technically larger than your rectangular watch.
Retake geometry! There is no "technically larger". You're using the 38mm height in a disingenuous way. With the circular watch face it's 38mm on the x and y axes. On the rectangular it's only 38mm on y axis you're taking into consideration.
If you were to also make the the x axis 38mm you would get more area for the rectangular watch face, which would also now be a square.
Additionally, "the effective display area" in the corners of the Apple Watch which you claim are useless are actually exceedingly useful as they contain the time, other stats, back buttons, labels, and allow for a great deal more info, like text and larger complete images, to be displayed.
The main benefit of a circle over a rectangular shape is it facilitates the smallest possible circumference (border) for a given area. This has many benefits in nature, including a three-dimensional application where a sphere allows for the smallest amount of surface area for a given volume (see: Allen's Rule). There are other benefits to a circle, but one it absolutely does not afford is being "technically larger" for the given dimensions.
Has Apple stated that the sales surpassed the iPhone launch for a given time in the market? ??
Has Apple stated that the sales surpassed the iPad launch for a given time in the market? ??
Has Apple stated that the sales data for its most recent month were better than the previous months? ??
Wait, aren't you the one that things anything Cook says must be a lie because he kept his "gay homosexuality" a secret for long? If you are, then that explains why you wouldn't recognize besting their previous successes for the given time in the market would be proof enough for you to call those worthwhile achievements.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">By the looks of it, Samsung has been planning for circular smartwatch with a rotating bezel for over a year.</span>
I'll bite… Who said anything about the round watch as coping Apple? Also, where are the round icons in those patent images. If Rogifan's hypothesis has a chance of being correct they will reflected since "it's the only way to do icons on a round watch face¡".
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OK, then show me the Applesque icons on previous Samsung smartwatches that ran Titzen and I'll concede that it's a coincidence and that Samsung has never ever copied any market leader ever.
edit: Not looking good for you: "all of our watches run Samsung's Tizen platform for wearables."
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None of their other smart watches have been round. As I already stated, square icons on a round watch face are stupid. Samsung was already using round icons on their Tizen phone UI so I'm not surprised they would bring those to a round watch.
They sould change their namd from sam(d)ung to Xerox
Tizen - Bringing you round icons since 2013
So if they had everything in place since 2013, why didn't they create a watch with that UI until now then? It's one thing to have pieces of a puzzle scattered around, it's another thing to have the whole puzzle together.
I own the 38 mm Apple Watch. I have yet to see a round smart watch with the display close to the size of my watch. All of them are a lot bigger. You can't utilize corners with a round display. Show me an actual round smart watch that is similar in size to the 38 mm Apple Watch and can display all information without cutting anything off.
The fact you haven't seen a round smart watch of a particular size that utilizes the display area effectively doesn't mean it can't be done. I haven't seen a UI on a round smart watch yet that I feel is well done, then again I haven't really been looking. But it doesn't really matter whether one exists currently, or not. What matters is whether it's possible or not. Your answer to that question seems to be to point to existing round Android watches as proof of its impossibility and impracticality.
From iMore.com: Unlike traditional watches, which measure case size horizontally, Apple is measuring the Apple Watch vertically. The smaller of the two has a height of 38mm (specifically, 38.6mm); the larger, 42mm. When it comes to width, the smaller Apple Watch is 33.3mm wide; the larger, 35.9mm. These differences might not sound like very much — 3-4mm here or there — but 4mm out of 40mm is one tenth of the watch dimensions.
As the graphic indicates, people are used to wearing larger watches than the ?Watch. And it further demonstrates, as does my graphic, that the effective display area of the 38mm easily fits within a 38mm circle, which is technically larger than your rectangular watch. The fact no one may have done it, much less with an effective UI implementation, is by no means proof it can't, nor shouldn't, be done. In fact, I would argue that it could be made even smaller without any problems. I don't really hear anyone complaining that the 38mm is so much more difficult to use than the 42mm because the screen size is smaller.
I wish Apple could introduce a virus into Samsung's computers to wipe out the company. Samsung does not deserve to exist and should be destroyed.
So Samsung is copying LG now despite seemingly never previously putting these UI elements together in their smartwatches until their first release after the Apple Watch? In no way, can you see why Samsung would want to ride in Apple's successful Apple Watch wake and why it's foolish to think they would follow LG's lackluster and doomed smartwatch line?
How do we know the Apple Watch is successful?
This entire article is a real stretch, and of a much lower standard than I would have expected from Sam. DED, oh certainly -- I imagine he's throwing a tantrum right now that he didn't get to make this case himself. But its rather beneath the rest of the AI staff, IMO.
come on guys, it's a round watch. I have a feeling apple might 'copy' the design in the next generation. The wheel has already been invented, and everyone is using it. Stop this nonsense
Nope.
Are you expecting to see round phones, round iPads, and round TV's?
Hell no. A circle is a horrible shape for a computing device.
Jeezes! The guy totally misses the point; and then you reply to him by totally missing that he missed the point.
It's about the pirated (with minimal deviation) of the home screen interface at issue here. Not the shape of the device.
He saves them for the really important comments.....like me.
I agree, but a very good round display only have been around for a very long time. Your standard traditional watch or clock utilizes a round display for very obvious reasons. To use a round display for a smart watch is the a ridiculous skeuomorph.
Nothing you've written explains why round is good and you still haven't shown an actual smart watch with a size similar to the 38mm ?Watch displaying information (other than a clock face). Round is purely an aesthetic choice based on existing analog watches.
Retake geometry! There is no "technically larger". You're using the 38mm height in a disingenuous way. With the circular watch face it's 38mm on the x and y axes. On the rectangular it's only 38mm on y axis you're taking into consideration.
If you were to also make the the x axis 38mm you would get more area for the rectangular watch face, which would also now be a square.
Additionally, "the effective display area" in the corners of the Apple Watch which you claim are useless are actually exceedingly useful as they contain the time, other stats, back buttons, labels, and allow for a great deal more info, like text and larger complete images, to be displayed.
The main benefit of a circle over a rectangular shape is it facilitates the smallest possible circumference (border) for a given area. This has many benefits in nature, including a three-dimensional application where a sphere allows for the smallest amount of surface area for a given volume (see: Allen's Rule). There are other benefits to a circle, but one it absolutely does not afford is being "technically larger" for the given dimensions.
By the looks of it, Samsung has been planning for circular smartwatch with a rotating bezel for over a year.
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Has Apple stated that the sales surpassed the iPhone launch for a given time in the market? ??
Has Apple stated that the sales surpassed the iPad launch for a given time in the market? ??
Has Apple stated that the sales data for its most recent month were better than the previous months? ??
Wait, aren't you the one that things anything Cook says must be a lie because he kept his "gay homosexuality" a secret for long? If you are, then that explains why you wouldn't recognize besting their previous successes for the given time in the market would be proof enough for you to call those worthwhile achievements.
Wow. Kara Swisher? John Fort? Really? You don't say...
:rolleyes:
Frankly I believe the bubble homescreen is one of the weakest links in the ? watch OS. It needs to go in the next iteration. It is of no use.
I'll bite… Who said anything about the round watch as coping Apple? Also, where are the round icons in those patent images. If Rogifan's hypothesis has a chance of being correct they will reflected since "it's the only way to do icons on a round watch face¡".