As as for the EU, screw them. They are the one responsible for lead free solder in electronics. The directive that resulted in lead free electronics is a prime example off over reach by a bunch of government ministers.
By by the way it isn't a matter of of lead being good, it obviously isn't. The problem is rather that you shouldn't mandate something until a viable replacement is at hand. Instead we got years of unreliable electronics.
To to some this may seem extreme but the lead free solder is alone one good reason to want to see the breakup of the EU. When you have regulators drawing up new laws just for the hell of it, or without thought about the conchs quenches of their actions, you have problems. I feel for the people of the U.K., living on a Small island isnt the same as living on the mainland. You need enough local control to address the realities placed upon you by the land.
So how does a Brit company sell into the EU now if it reverts to the old style Solder? Personally, I'm glad to see the back of lead. I can remember gasping in shock at the lead Water pipes I found in the first house I bought. Whatever we do, anyone selling into the EU will sull have to abide by EU rules and regs. So what has changed eh? Nowt really. Then there is Farage and his 'oh silly me, I got that £350 million wrong' gaffe. How many votes out because of that blatant lie eh? This move will take use at least a decade to resolve. I'm wondering it I'll be able to afford to retire when I'm 65 in two years simple because of this IMHO stupid move. I'm with the young who mostl voted to stay.
You can suggest that being in the the EU has some ideological merits, but if you had any real knowledge of the issues involved you couldn’t be so ignorantly confident that everything is great.
Fixed that for you. And some more emphasis.
Essentially, a bunch of ignorant, ill informed old white people
Holy fucking shit, why is a racist like this allowed to be on staff?
were asked to make a decision they didn't understand in the slightest
So prove it.
largely false propaganda
So prove it.
many of their options are now erased.
One of those options is “being raped by a gang of muslims”, so all in all I’m sure they’ll be fine.
Going forward, none of the things they were promised (free money, an end to immigration, and end to bureaucracy and rule by an elite class of morons) will materialize.
Glad to know you can see the future. Can you tell us the date that the Second Great Depression will start? Or maybe what products Apple will be coming out with, since that’s the actual purpose of this website? Thanks.
Which is pretty much what middle American Fox watchers hope to do to the United States, if they are given the opportunity.
I don't think anyone, let alone any pro-Brexit voters really know what the hell is about to hit us after this decision.
So how do you speak for them?
xenophobic
The Pro-Brexit camp are playing fast and lose with our economy. So far it's looking pretty bad and I fear for the future
Yes, because three days is always the best indicator of a century of... you know, what the fuck ever. You people can’t even comprehend that objective truth exists, so you can never comprehend reality.
I don't often disagree with you DED, but I do this time. You say "really quite unthinkable and ill considered-leap" by the British people to leave the Eurozone. This is totally NOT TRUE !! The Brits have had it with the unelected Eurocrats of Brussels for many years. They have been thinking about this for over 30 years since being cleverly taken into the Common Market in the 70's. Now finally they have flicked the birdie at the unrepresentative socialist swill in Europe that has tried to control so much of their society for so many years. And as the 5th largest economy in the world they will have bugger-all trouble making their own way quite successfully, if not better than they have in the past 30 years.
The British bulldog is back in business!! Go Britain, go !!
And a warning to you dear in the USA. This is another reason why Trump will be elected in November in a landslide. People ares sick of being treated like fools by the PC arrogance of the political elite.
It's ill considered in the sense that the campaign was based on a series of lies, and planned out about as well as the Bush II Iraq War. Which is to say, there was no strategy beyond 'lets do this!" resulting in a clusterfuck of backwardly implemented strategy that wasn't even anticipated by those pushing for it.
You can suggest that leaving the EU has some ideological merits, but if you had any real knowledge of the issues involved you couldn't be so ignorantly confident that everything is great.
Essentially, a bunch of ignorant, ill informed old white people were asked to make a decision they didn't understand in the slightest, based on largely false propaganda, and the result is that the working class youth of the UK is now screwed over because many of their options are now erased. Also, those white rural people now have limited buying power and their property is plunging in value. Going forward, none of the things they were promised (free money, an end to immigration, and end to bureaucracy and rule by an elite class of morons) will materialize. They're all just screwed by their own simpleminded conservative credulity.
Which is pretty much what middle American Fox watchers hope to do to the United States, if they are given the opportunity.
Yeah. I read that the votes went roughly by age, with old people wanting to make Brittania Great Again, and younger people worried about the future in a world economy.
Yeah. I read that the votes went roughly by age, with old people wanting to make Brittania Great Again, and younger people worried about the future in a world economy.
Thank goodness that the younger, ignorant and naive fools lost out. Economy means nothing if you don't have a country.
Instead of being part of a united Europe many people in the UK still dream of an Empire that does`t exist anymore.
So... it will exist again. What’s the problem?
The British Empire will exist again? Have heard literally no one apart from you say anything like that. What do you even mean? We'll go off conquering again?
Nothing like that is going to happen. Empire over. If anything it's going to get a lot smaller. Scotland a dead cert for gone, Northern Ireland likely to follow, Wales and Cornwall might get twitchy since they're set to lose a lot of EU development assistance, and even London is proving a talking point.
Let that sink in. The nation votes to lose the EU, and it could potentially lose its capital as a result. It's already losing its Prime Minister, probably its Chancellor, and the seat of government and the majority of its economic power voted to Remain and is now talking of city state independence. By any measure this is a disaster for UK politics.
Holy fucking shit, why is a racist like this allowed to be on staff?
Once again, the disgusting, racist left has proven that their usual tricks and tactics do not work anymore, and Brexit is yet another nail in the coffin of such racists.
The remain side tried all of their usual tricks, calling everybody else for racists, but thankfully, most people just do not care anymore and they paid no attention to the garbage and racism coming out of the mouth's of racist leftists and the lying and traitorous remain campaign.
The global elites, the multiculturalist traitors and other Quislings have taken a huge blow! And more are on the way soon.
These people and their sick ideas will be crushed and destroyed.
The British Empire will exist again? Have heard literally no one apart from you say anything like that. What do you even mean? We'll go off conquering again?
Nothing like that is going to happen. Empire over. If anything it's going to get a lot smaller. Scotland a dead cert for gone, Northern Ireland likely to follow, Wales and Cornwall might get twitchy since they're set to lose a lot of EU development assistance, and even London is proving a talking point.
Let that sink in. The nation votes to lose the EU, and it could potentially lose its capital as a result. It's already losing its Prime Minister, probably its Chancellor, and the seat of government and the majority of its economic power voted to Remain and is now talking of city state independence. By any measure this is a disaster for UK politics.
Scotland can't join the EU, even if they voted remain, because I saw on tv last night that other EU countries will veto it, as they do not want Scotland to be a part. I think that it was Spain that would veto.
This is not a disaster, it's the best thing to happen to the UK in decades.
Wow even more... But he, whatever, altough I know Northern Ireland is sensitive for some (*) But thanks for the semantics; I think you know what I mean with definitive. If article 50 isn't triggered it's clear we have no democracy, this will spark even more mistrust and Revolution in the end. I replied to this article, you clearly didn't read it if you don't understand my remark.
Sour grapes? Any?
(*) By the way, one possible and even probable possibility is that Northern Ireland will split of like Scotland and join the rest of Ireland and as a consequence the EU.
No sour grapes, I'm just not sure what you mean by definitive. Definitive of what? Do you just mean that the vote means we have to do it? I'm not sure anyone is arguing otherwise. As you didn't quote any particular passage from the article I don't know what you're replying to.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
Ok fair enough, I could have been a little more clear: by definitive I mean 'final', (see below from a dictionary), and yes some including Daniel are arguing otherwise:
"Upon further reflection, the UK may actually seek to retain its current EU status, particularly if its own member states, including Northern Ireland and Scotland, initiate their own efforts to leave the UK as a direct result of its decision to leave the EU. "
definitive
dɪˈfɪnɪtɪv/
adjective
1.
(of a conclusion or agreement) done or reached decisively and with authority.
The British Empire will exist again? Have heard literally no one apart from you say anything like that. What do you even mean? We'll go off conquering again?
Nothing like that is going to happen. Empire over. If anything it's going to get a lot smaller. Scotland a dead cert for gone, Northern Ireland likely to follow, Wales and Cornwall might get twitchy since they're set to lose a lot of EU development assistance, and even London is proving a talking point.
Let that sink in. The nation votes to lose the EU, and it could potentially lose its capital as a result. It's already losing its Prime Minister, probably its Chancellor, and the seat of government and the majority of its economic power voted to Remain and is now talking of city state independence. By any measure this is a disaster for UK politics.
Scotland can't join the EU, even if they voted remain, because I saw on tv last night that other EU countries will veto it, as they do not want Scotland to be a part. I think that it was Spain that would veto.
Oh, well if you saw it on TV then it must be true, and totally unsusceptible to change in the coming years. It certainly isn't a stance that has changed before.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
I know some people of Ireland myself (altough not Northern Ireland) and it seems to me that the suggestion to unite north and south must be possible (they are really ok people), it might be that a uniform dislike of all English is stronger than internal struggles about religion, this would also mean no hard borders in the future.
Instead of being part of a united Europe many people in the UK still dream of an Empire that does`t exist anymore.
So... it will exist again. What’s the problem?
Fixed that for you. And some more emphasis. Holy fucking shit, why is a racist like this allowed to be on staff? So prove it. So prove it. One of those options is “being raped by a gang of muslims”, so all in all I’m sure they’ll be fine. Glad to know you can see the future. Can you tell us the date that the Second Great Depression will start? Or maybe what products Apple will be coming out with, since that’s the actual purpose of this website? Thanks. Totally not biased in any way.targa
No, it has always been one.
So how do you speak for them? Yes, because three days is always the best indicator of a century of... you know, what the fuck ever. You people can’t even comprehend that objective truth exists, so you can never comprehend reality.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
I know some people of Ireland myself (altough not Northern Ireland) and it seems to me that the suggestion to unite north and south must be possible (they are really ok people), it might be that a uniform dislike of all English is stronger than internal struggles about religion, this would also mean no hard borders in the future.
Huh? Northern Ireland doesn't uniformly dislike the English. That's why they're still in the UK. Using the opinions of people from the Republic of Ireland on the Northern Ireland question to form a complete judgement is like only asking for opinions on gun control from members of the NRA.
There's a lot more to the Troubles than religion.
Also, the RoI stands to be a big loser in this whole charade. The UK is by far their biggest trading partner, and a lot of the trade that doesn't go to the UK still goes through the UK because of geography. Ireland just had a giant rock planted between itself and Europe.
No sour grapes, I'm just not sure what you mean by definitive. Definitive of what? Do you just mean that the vote means we have to do it? I'm not sure anyone is arguing otherwise. As you didn't quote any particular passage from the article I don't know what you're replying to.
Regarding Northern Ireland, I have a friend who is from Belfast, and her family is Catholic. They had bricks through their window during the Troubles and knew people who vanished. The prospect of having a hard border again is one they feel very nervous about, and they aren't Unionists.
Ok fair enough, I could have been a little more clear: by definitive I mean 'final', (see below from a dictionary), and yes some including Daniel are arguing otherwise:
"Upon further reflection, the UK may actually seek to retain its current EU status, particularly if its own member states, including Northern Ireland and Scotland, initiate their own efforts to leave the UK as a direct result of its decision to leave the EU. "
definitive
dɪˈfɪnɪtɪv/
adjective
1.
(of a conclusion or agreement) done or reached decisively and with authority.
Well if a substantive change to the formation of the nation occurs then actually the conditions of the referendum might well be said to no longer be valid. The UK voted. If Scotland leaves then there is no UK any more. What's left may have to have a new vote.
Also, if leave proceeds, there is no plan tabled (a reason to remain if ever there was one). The conditions of leaving are yet to be decided, and the ongoing relationship with the EU is a vast unknown question. Even if leave is a final decision, it is not the final decision.
GB exit of the EU is definitive, don't suggest anything else. The scaremongering without basis certainly didn't help the 'stay' campaign. Warnings by world leaders didn't help things either; especially Obama made an absolute ass of himself by threatening the Brits to stay and adding that they would be last in line with new trade treaty's with the US (TTIP seems to be the most undemocratic future treaty ever and seems to be centered around the idea to give large corporations more power than governments, so we have to buy iPhones or whatever in the future without choice of our own); after the fact, the US changed tone: it was business as usual and no problem at all. Wow! I would say, cudos to all Brits voting to leave EU. Never look back to this cesspool of bureaucratic layers and cover up of Germany to rule it all. Now the hope is that more countries can vote to opt out and decide there own future.
No rational arguments were ever going to convince the "leave" campaigners of the folly of exiting the EU, just as no rational, empirical economic or sociological data would ever convince Trump supporters of the folly of their ways. The "leave" supporters were overwhelmingly older, whiter, and lesser educated (including a significant number of blue-collar working-class people) - the same demographic that supports Donald Trump in the United States. These "leave" supporters were simply voting on the basis of xenophobia and parochialism. When asked in numerous "person on the street" interviews on Sky TV, BBC, or ITV why the subject voted to leave, they usually responded with some vague, unquantifiable nonsense like "Britain ain't Britain no more" or "We can't take so many immigrants". Of course, returning to my point about empirical data, more immigration comes into the UK from outside the EU rather than from within. But, if these typical "leave" supporters had been presented with that data, they probably would've just shrieked "Eurocrats!"and trundled away to shoo kids off of their lawns.
I heard several very rational arguments supporting an EU exit and non against it (only ranting economists or people speaking for them, you know the ones wanting to maximize profit and efficiency, because that's better for the economy ..., never mind we end up with 100 billion people in skyscrapers a mile high). Of course you have to be in the system to be able to get a sense of reality here, if you were able to you should know that it has noting to do with the US or one or more of its presidential candidates. This is a European issue and dates back a few thousand years or so.
Does any American think it is a great value for NY or the entire US economy if you divide NY and isolate from USA? It's the same effect with Great Britan. It forces instability, economical irritations (as you already saw) and it shrinks the economic growth. Do you now, that 90 % of any farmer in the GB will collapse within the next 24 month because isolation from EU? Do you know, that Ireland is on the way to divide from GB and seeking the close relationship to the EU. Impact is "Little England" and not "Great Britain". But ... Apple will affected positive of the isolation because it's tax policy if Ireland will stay with GB. Bit the fact is, that Ireland will devide from GB and close to the EU. That means it's under the EU law and Apple will not have a free ticket of "do not pay the tax". Apple will pay and that my friends will impact the value of Apple (I am a shareholder as well). But what this discussion shows to me is a great lack in understanding der EU politics. Humbling, very humbling I invite to learn, what it means to create stability in EU. Common. Not devided. Stability against Russia. Stability and TTIP for great economical growth with the US. We as Europeans wants to grow the relationship and economical exchange with the US. A devided GB will not participate at TTIP. The will be isolated. So, if you just wants to TRUMP, clap in yout hands with the BREXIT. But, if you think about economical growth, good relations to the USA and stability against Russia. I suggest to RE-THINK.
Normally I love DED pieces, but this is a poor article. The U.K. is fighting for their identity and rights back. I congratulate them on this HUGE fight to leave such an overreaching, failed Union. Europe has been through so much oppression and it's so refreshing to see the strong-willed take their countries back.
This piece screams "rank-and-file" socialism. Time to think outside the box on this one, DED. Maybe stick to Samsung articles..
The EU is certainly a flawed organization, but the political leaders in the UK are not even slightly better, they're just right wing criminals rather than left wing incompetents. Leaving the EU will cause major and every expensive disruptions that far outweigh any purported benefits. That's already obvious to anyone looking at reality, but may become even more obvious as reality begins to sink in. The exit may not even happen because of this. But who knows. Pretty clear that conservative austerity didn't solve the UK's problems. Leaving the EU was supposed to be a protest vote intended to fail. There is no real strategy involved. It was a huge fuckup and now those in charge are skirting accountability.
The EU and its euro are a huge fuckup and staying in such a system is suicide in the longer run and a stranglehold in the shorter (run). This decision is really a 'God'send for all people in de UK and will be a turning point. Strange you and lots of others see only the downside measured against the existing situation, but ignore all new opertinities that arise from the new dynamics. For example the UK could improve its trade agreements with Norway, Switzerland and Iceland, it could increase relations with its former territories and so on. Lots and lots of opportunities if you can think for yourself.
Does any American think it is a great value for NY or the entire US economy if you divide NY and isolate from USA? It's the same effect with Great Britan.
No, it’s completely and utterly different. The United States is an entity with a singular culture, singular language, and singular history. The European Union is trying to combine dozens of cultures, languages, histories, and political entities into one–EXPRESSLY NOT FOR THEIR BENEFIT.
The false song of globalism is entering its last verse. Its best future (and the one with the least likelihood) is nervous coughing and one guy clapping in the background when the song ends.
Do you now, that 90% of any farmer in the GB will collapse within the next 24 month because isolation from EU?
No, because proceedings to leave haven’t even begun.
Stability against Russia.
Maybe, just maybe, people could spend some time comprehending how Russians (real ones, not commies called Russians) think to better understand them. They don’t have to be the enemy. You simply have to come at them from a position of power, not from reconciliation. They don’t respond to that. It’s probably Genghis Khan’s fault, but getting into the specifics of genetic memory is unnecessary for this conversation.
Fucking end NATO immediately. I’m sick and fucking tired of the US paying for Europe’s defense. If these retards are really so successful, they can pay for it themselves. And when they do, watch their marxist system come crashing down around them. But before that happens, watch them try to continue to warmonger against Russia, expanding their militaries (creating them, in some cases), and expect to still be able to pay for their welfare states.
TTIP
Fuck that shit with a rake.
We as Europeans wants to grow the relationship and economical exchange with the US.
No one but the globalists consider themselves “Europeans”. Countries still exist, barely.
So, if you just wants to TRUMP, clap in yout hands with the BREXIT. But, if you think about economical growth...
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Personally, I'm glad to see the back of lead. I can remember gasping in shock at the lead Water pipes I found in the first house I bought.
Whatever we do, anyone selling into the EU will sull have to abide by EU rules and regs.
So what has changed eh? Nowt really.
Then there is Farage and his 'oh silly me, I got that £350 million wrong' gaffe. How many votes out because of that blatant lie eh?
This move will take use at least a decade to resolve. I'm wondering it I'll be able to afford to retire when I'm 65 in two years simple because of this IMHO stupid move. I'm with the young who mostl voted to stay.
Fixed that for you. And some more emphasis.
Holy fucking shit, why is a racist like this allowed to be on staff?
So prove it.
So prove it.
One of those options is “being raped by a gang of muslims”, so all in all I’m sure they’ll be fine.
Glad to know you can see the future. Can you tell us the date that the Second Great Depression will start? Or maybe what products Apple will be coming out with, since that’s the actual purpose of this website? Thanks.
Totally not biased in any way.targa
No, it has always been one.
So how do you speak for them?
Yes, because three days is always the best indicator of a century of... you know, what the fuck ever. You people can’t even comprehend that objective truth exists, so you can never comprehend reality.
The EU MEPs are elected, they just have no power as an actual legislature. The unelected EU officials make the laws (“laws”, to any sane country).
Not for actual Germans, it’s not.
So when the globalists are executed for treason to their respective nations, will you feel the same?
Except for: EU has sacrificed all of these modern ideals for the sake of a stupid “integration” idea.
crowley said: They will. It has been said forever. Same for Catalonia if those morons really want to hitch their wagon to a falling star.
Nothing like that is going to happen. Empire over. If anything it's going to get a lot smaller. Scotland a dead cert for gone, Northern Ireland likely to follow, Wales and Cornwall might get twitchy since they're set to lose a lot of EU development assistance, and even London is proving a talking point.
Let that sink in. The nation votes to lose the EU, and it could potentially lose its capital as a result. It's already losing its Prime Minister, probably its Chancellor, and the seat of government and the majority of its economic power voted to Remain and is now talking of city state independence. By any measure this is a disaster for UK politics.
The remain side tried all of their usual tricks, calling everybody else for racists, but thankfully, most people just do not care anymore and they paid no attention to the garbage and racism coming out of the mouth's of racist leftists and the lying and traitorous remain campaign.
The global elites, the multiculturalist traitors and other Quislings have taken a huge blow! And more are on the way soon.
These people and their sick ideas will be crushed and destroyed.
This is not a disaster, it's the best thing to happen to the UK in decades.
"Upon further reflection, the UK may actually seek to retain its current EU status, particularly if its own member states, including Northern Ireland and Scotland, initiate their own efforts to leave the UK as a direct result of its decision to leave the EU. "
Oh, wait... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU
Sheesh, do you twerps even put in a modicum of thought before you start ungracefully cawing over a perceived victory?
There's a lot more to the Troubles than religion.
Also, the RoI stands to be a big loser in this whole charade. The UK is by far their biggest trading partner, and a lot of the trade that doesn't go to the UK still goes through the UK because of geography. Ireland just had a giant rock planted between itself and Europe.
Also, if leave proceeds, there is no plan tabled (a reason to remain if ever there was one). The conditions of leaving are yet to be decided, and the ongoing relationship with the EU is a vast unknown question. Even if leave is a final decision, it is not the final decision.
Of course you have to be in the system to be able to get a sense of reality here, if you were able to you should know that it has noting to do with the US or one or more of its presidential candidates.
This is a European issue and dates back a few thousand years or so.
This decision is really a 'God'send for all people in de UK and will be a turning point.
Strange you and lots of others see only the downside measured against the existing situation, but ignore all new opertinities that arise from the new dynamics.
For example the UK could improve its trade agreements with Norway, Switzerland and Iceland, it could increase relations with its former territories and so on.
Lots and lots of opportunities if you can think for yourself.
The false song of globalism is entering its last verse. Its best future (and the one with the least likelihood) is nervous coughing and one guy clapping in the background when the song ends.
No, because proceedings to leave haven’t even begun.
Maybe, just maybe, people could spend some time comprehending how Russians (real ones, not commies called Russians) think to better understand them. They don’t have to be the enemy. You simply have to come at them from a position of power, not from reconciliation. They don’t respond to that. It’s probably Genghis Khan’s fault, but getting into the specifics of genetic memory is unnecessary for this conversation.
Fucking end NATO immediately. I’m sick and fucking tired of the US paying for Europe’s defense. If these retards are really so successful, they can pay for it themselves. And when they do, watch their marxist system come crashing down around them. But before that happens, watch them try to continue to warmonger against Russia, expanding their militaries (creating them, in some cases), and expect to still be able to pay for their welfare states.
Fuck that shit with a rake.
No one but the globalists consider themselves “Europeans”. Countries still exist, barely.
...vote Trump; yes, we know.