GeorgeBMac

cgWerks said:

Unless we could hope for something that resembles net neutrality (the principal, not Net Neutrality™) in spirit and outworking, this is all just political football.

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Huawei says it abides by all laws where it operates. Logically those same laws exist to be used in case of necessity by any company operating in the territory. From there on it it up to the courts to decide the outcome.

Huawei is NOT China. It is a private company.

I suggest we simply wait and see what comes of this.

Everything you post here is total bullshit, but this really takes the cake.

A company that so clearly committed fraud to hide its violation of Iran sanctions that the US government--and Canada--risked international blowback to prosecute those crimes is suddenly innocent because some AI troll account has stood on a soapbox and announced that "it says it obeys the laws!"

Huawei is a project of Communist Party members. It's hard to see how one could extract this massive, barely profitable state enterprise from the PRC. It sure couldn't operate on its own. 

It's also well known that China is gunning at owning technology markets and will spare no expense to dump products at a loss until it owns the global means of production. that's been evident since the 90s.  

"Everything you post here is total bullshit, but this really takes the cake."

You are so illiterate that you compared the CCP to the Republican Party in an earlier post...not sure how you even came up with that comparison, but you seem unable to understand the concept that China has a SINGLE PARTY, the CCP, whereas the U.S. is a multiparty system.

Is there a difference?  They both march in lockstep to whatever their leaders tell them to do and say.

Yeah, the difference is that there are in fact choices that U.S. voters have. In China, that is not the case.

Get some new talking points.

Here's another link to Huawei's CFO predicament;

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei-tech-insight/long-before-trumps-trade-war-with-china-huaweis-activities-were-secretly-tracked-idUSKCN1QN2A8

"In the years leading up to the Huawei indictment, U.S. officials had been capturing information that would influence the investigation when telecom executives passed through U.S. airports, according to a number of sources familiar with the Huawei and ZTE investigations and the Meng indictment. 

For example, Meng arrived in the United States via John F. Kennedy International Airport in early 2014. The indictment says investigators found “suggested talking points” on one of her electronic devices, stating among other things that Huawei’s relationship with Skycom was “normal business cooperation.” 

Meng had been pulled into a secondary screening at the airport that time as well, and her electronic devices were taken, according to one person familiar with the stop. After a couple of hours, the devices were returned and she was freed to go, the person said."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/huawei-us-hacked-our-servers-stole-our-emails-and-source-code-2003874

You think that there might be incriminating evidence in those "hacks" that Huawei accuses the U.S. of, without evidence, mind you?

I'll throw this in; a short article on how Chinese Diplomats are coping under Xi's leadership:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-06/diplomatic-outbursts-mar-xi-s-plan-to-raise-china-on-world-stage

The fact that Trump has to fall back on his fake case against Iran and hold the daughter of Huawei's founder as a political prisoner, kind of exposes the fact that his allegations of spying are just Protectionist, Nationalist bull.

The U.S. has no 5G Telecom system production; how could we be "protectionist"?

You and Avon B7 don't really understand what that term means, as if you would be inclined to.

You appear ill informed about Meng Wanzhou, as if I and others haven't posted enough on that subject. 

Personally, I would like you and Avon B7 banned, but fortunately for you and him, I'm not the one making that decision.

You are just a common troll.

In the absence of any evidence to backup US security risk claims protectionism is what US actions will be called.

Google it yourself and see how many articles come back.

I will go into a little detail.

AT&T has a working relationship with Huawei. AT&T spent over a year tuning the Kirin 970 to its network infrastructure to begin carrying the Mate 10 Pro handset. A formal announcement was planned for CES 2018.

After all the technical and logistical effort to reach that point it is hard to imagine AT&T went back on the deal on its own accord. It is widely reported that the US government simply pressured AT&T to back out. AT&T wasn't the only carrier willing to carry Huawei gear.

To this day AT&T continues to work with Huawei but outside the US. 

This is an example of protectionism.

The US not having any real influence in 5G is is really the whole issue (again, Google is your friend, I've provided links in other comments.

In the infrastructure realm it is protectionism to prevent Huawei getting a foothold in the US market while the US frantically tries to catch-up. It is so out of the link that it is already eyeing 6G and willing to depend on EU companies to handle the 5G era. Even if it means using  lesser tech paying more and taking longer.

Pure protectionism and pretty much confirmed by some unfortunate tweets by Donald Trump that were also picked up by the press and surely some foreign governments.

Perhaps we can call it extreme protectionism seeing that the US is taking its efforts on a world tour and not limiting its actions to home soil.

"Extreme Protectionism" in the face of increasing Chinese Authoritarianism, seems exactly as it should be. 

Thanks for making that point.

But nothing to do with Huawei.

You persist in believing that Huawei is independent, yet you provide no proof, and in a country with State Controlled Journalism, is it even possible to find the truth?

It for those who accuse to provide the proof.

I have no reason to believe otherwise. The onus is one the US and it hasn't even been able to do that.

Huawei operates all over the world - including countries with no state controlled media and Apple operates in China too (state controlled media and all).

Let's not even mention the control of the media by certain moguls in our western world, shall we?

You're confusing state security with due process. If the US intelligence agencies have reason to believe your knockoff heroes are bad actors, they don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else on a rumors forum. No, they just debrief the executive and legislative branches. It's not an episode of Judge Judy. They aren't going to disclose their evidence or sources or tools just to make some Android astroturfers feel better.

If you accepted that Russia meddled in the US election, despite not receiving a dossier of the evidence, then I fail to see why you demand one delivered to you now. Cognitive dissonance, my friend.

Really? So you fully understand why countries (not internet forums, LOL) ask for evidence and don't act on unsupported US claims?

Great, because countries have asked and got no answers and the 'believe us, we know' line doesn't cut it nowadays. That ship sailed long ago.

And if the US doesn't want to get drawn by the media, what was it doing giving a press conference at MWC? If the US is campaigning publicly, I say Huawei has the right to do exactly the same - and it is. From there on in, people and governments will make up their own minds but based on reality and right now, and in the absence of evidence, protectionism is what many are seeing and obviously I see it that way too.

I am not confusing anything and those tweets by Donald Trump make things pretty clear anyway.

It seems Germany has just issued its 5G guidelines and not banned Huawei. I'm awaiting confirmation of this but evidence (or lack of it) will have played a part in their decision, whatever it turns out to be but Germany has already gone on record as saying the US hadn't provided any. Not the scribbles of someone on an internet forum.

Have I mentioned Russia? Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else.

If that was an impersonal 'you', my opinion on Russia is just that, an opinion. 

The US/Huawei situation is not the same. Or is the US also trying to impede a Russian company from doing business?

You fail to convince, yet again

Here's the fine print tin the 5G guidelines;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/germany-to-require-suppliers-of-5g-networks-be-trustworthy/2019/03/07/ca6b0330-410b-11e9-85ad-779ef05fd9d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0281dd5629a2

According to the new guidelines published by Germany’s Economic Ministry and the Federal Network Agency, systems for networks including 5G “may only be sourced from trustworthy suppliers whose compliance with national security regulations and provisions for the secrecy of telecommunications and for data protection is assured.”

"It is unclear whether Huawei would be able to fulfill the requirements as they currently stand, because as a Chinese company it may be compelled to provide authorities in the communist nation with access to its networks."

It isn't about the evidence, or lack thereof, it is about Huawei's connection to China, which you have been unable to acknowledge as an issue.

You should be blaming the CCP for the Authoritarian Government that Huawei exists within, not any Nations that are concerned about their own National Security.

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which for most adults would be a resting heart rate of over 100 beats per minute

You did say "most" adults. Can you provide proof? A normal adult resting heart rate can be anywhere between 60 - 100 beats per minute. Those of us that are more physically fit have a rate lower than 100. Mine typically hovers around 80-85.

I am no doctor but I think the extreme fit have lower heart rates at rest than average (below 70bpm). Suffering from heart problems myself I have at a recorded instance where Apple Watch informed me of high heart rate while at rest, simply forgot to take my medication. I also found the Apple watch heart rate to read the exact same values as what was found in the hospital.