The iPad is a separate device. The idea that just because I get 'unlimited' data, I should be able to hook anything to it and get a free ride; well, see what happens if you hook up a trailer and/or boat to your car and try to drive down the road or pass through a toll booth without buying a license or paying extra. Bottom line, there is no free ride.
Yeah. Just like these fools who try to hook up two computers to a single data connection at home! That would be stealing!!! Once my sister tried to hook up an "extension" telephone at my house, but I made her unplug it because I didn't want to pay extra.
I don't recall which ones, but posters seem to talk them up every year when the new iPhone gets released. Whether they are lying or not, I like the idea of a minimum TCO disclosure.
If you mean Total Cost of Ownership, here in Finland when you buy an iPhone, you just ask them what it would cost to buy out the contract and they calculate it for you on the spot. Be it a one year or two year contract.
Do they offer a twin card? One number and data connection on two different SIM cards that are both active at the same time? I think AT&T has something similar but not sure.
Walk into an All-You-Eat resturant, pay for your meal and then after getting plates of food hand them off to other people. When you are caught then say that you are the only one connecting with the buffet and that after it's in your possesion it's no longer their concern and there is nothing they can do about it.
Go to an All-You-Can-Eat resturant, have your meal and save your reciept. Get that reciept laminatied for all time then come back on subsequent occassions and try to continue your All-You-Can-Eat feast. When tell you otherwise point out that they made no stipulation about how it was defined and that your proof of reciept entitled you eat there until you've passed on.
A little hyperbole can be fun. I think some posters here are the reason that my hairdryer instructs me not to use while showering.
It's more like if you walk into an "All-You-Can-Eat" buffet with your wife and two kids and only wanting to pay for one meal. Claiming that your wife and kids will be tethering off the one "all you can eat" plate that you paid for.
Or if you went to an "All-You-Can-Eat" breakfast buffet and wanting to stay for lunch and dinner without having to pay again.
I don't see what's so hard to understand that the price for an "unlimited" data plan for a cell phone is for all the data your cell phone can use in a month. The price is based on how much data the average cell phone user uses while using a cell phone. Just like how the price for an "unlimted" data service for a home is already priced for multiple computer connections. They even offer a free wireless home router so this can easily be done. In most cases.
And just like there are rules when dining at an "All-You-Can-Eat" buffet, there are limitations to all "unlimited" plans. And most of the time, these limitations are not unreasonable.
Unlike cable service or telephone service which doesn't cost the providers a cent more whether you're connecting 1 device or 5 devices. It does cost a data provider more, the more you use the service. Which is why you can have more than one TV or land phone tied to one service contract without paying extra. A cell phone is different in that bandwidth is not free to the provider. The more you use, the more it cost the provider.
Walk into an All-You-Eat resturant, pay for your meal and then after getting plates of food hand them off to other people. When you are caught then say that you are the only one connecting with the buffet and that after it's in your possesion it's no longer their concern and there is nothing they can do about it.
Go to an All-You-Can-Eat resturant, have your meal and save your reciept. Get that reciept laminatied for all time then come back on subsequent occassions and try to continue your All-You-Can-Eat feast. When tell you otherwise point out that they made no stipulation about how it was defined and that your proof of reciept entitled you eat there until you've passed on.
A little hyperbole can be fun. I think some posters here are the reason that my hairdryer instructs me not to use while showering.
HAVING A SHARED DATA PLAN for my mac's is already here
soon it will be allowed for phones also
in finland and other EU states the govt demands this open system
So while i see your point my friend.
It feels like you are beating a dead horse over and over and over with cute little dingys
in fact MIFI systems over time will become very powerful allowing a great strong data hulu like stream to be shared with anyone in range
The weak att/verizon data systems can't handle much now anyway.
in 2015 the 50 mbps service will be nation wide.
DO you thing we will have 4 separate plans for data internet service o gran poo bah !!!
Some one like 7 eleven will offer a single open device plan and start a race to the bottom
>>>>>>>>
ALSO
i may be wrong but NOKIA is the worst polluter out of all phone makers .
Is it mandatory? Certainly not for North America or Europe as some have indicated.
It really isn't hard to calculate.
Most important: all those claims how other countries are offering tethering and it turns out they all have limited data plans. So much for the BS.
Basically, we are all in the same boat. It isn't a dinghy or a luxury liner at that, but it's built, managed and serviced by the same folks that bred us.
So if we want lower costs, I would suggest we grow up and proceed as we did when we first asked and got to use the family car. Calling our dad an arrogant greedy bastard never really worked. And if we are still dissatisfied, like my father used to say, "You can't beat city hall until you elect yourself."
Some one like 7 eleven will offer a single open device plan and start a race to the bottom
>>>>>>>>
Question. Anyone or any business can connect a WiFi device i.e. Airport or other brand to their already existing internet connection and let customers share/use that connection to the web. Why aren't gazillions of businesses already doing this? Like 7 Eleven for example. There's nothing illegal about installing a password free WiFi device and letting anyone use it is there? Seem that you could even advertise that free connection as an included service to your existing business.
Let's say 7 Eleven has their own connection (like many business have for various reasons) and it's simply and open Wireless connection. If they don't care who uses it when they come into the store and even advertise free WiFi who is to say they can't do that? And why don't they do it?
Everyone should open their devices (if there's no sensitive info) and get back at these scum bags and let everyone piggyback off each other.
Question. Anyone or any business can connect a WiFi device i.e. Airport or other brand to their already existing internet connection and let customers share/use that connection to the web. Why aren't gazillions of businesses already doing this? Like 7 Eleven for example. There's nothing illegal about installing a password free WiFi device and letting anyone use it is there? Seem that you could even advertise that free connection as an included service to your existing business.
But who is going to pay for it? Wi-Fi is not free.
But who is going to pay for it? Wi-Fi is not free.
The store ALREADY has the connection! Almost every small independent store I go into has internet on their POS terminal or second computer AND it's often a wireless connection they already have. Everyone who walks in could have free WiFi. Not many stores do this though because when it comes to knowledge and free stuff, people are sort of weird about sharing. It's easy to have a secure connection that's only open for surfing. No risk to personal info especially when they're only in your store for a little while. No additional cost to the store owner but it's nice to have that service.
I live in Japan where WiFi is limited. Especially free WiFi. Almost non existent. I was on the restaurant floor of a boutique mall the other day and was choosing a restaurant. I decided to go to the oyster bar because.....I could check my email on my iPod Touch That's a SMART bar. That's INSANE that my deciding factor was based on WiFi. However I know I'm not the only one who decides on things this way.
They already have the connection. Might as well leave it open. They made $50 in business from me alone simply because they had an open connection.
I live in Japan where WiFi is limited. Especially free WiFi. Almost non existent. I was on the restaurant floor of a boutique mall the other day and was choosing a restaurant. I decided to go to the oyster bar because.....I could check my email on my iPod Touch That's a SMART bar. That's INSANE that my deciding factor was based on WiFi. However I know I'm not the only one who decides on things this way.
They already have the connection. Might as well leave it open. They made $50 in business from me alone simply because they had an open connection.
The city of Mointain View offers free WiFi to anyone in the city limits. Paid for by Google. All you need is to open a Google account. Which is also free. Mountain View is where Google headquarter is located.
But Google does pay for all the bandwidth. It's not something that Google gets for free. But Google got deep pockets and can afford to do this. And they make money from selling advertising to those logged on. They probablly also get a tax break from the city.
The store ALREADY has the connection! Almost every store I go into has internet on their POS terminal or other computer. It's just an additional AirportExtreme box for $99 and boom everyone who walks in has free WiFi. Some stores already do this but not many. People are sort of weird when it comes to offering free stuff. They sort of hoard it for themselves. If everyone opened the connection it would be great.
The store doesn't have unlimited data or connections at any one time without paying more. Neither do you at home or where you work.
And for a 7 Eleven to do it, what do they gain? A hell of a lot of free loaders sitting in their parking lots downloading movies. Certainly it is not like a coffee shop where customers are seated and spending while there. A 7 Eleven makes money by customers coming in fast, buying something and getting out fast.
This idea that everything should be free not realizing that somebody is paying a piper is unbelievably naive.
Well Steve, Its still over 2 weeks before the iPad Launches and we already have a solution
Very Simple really here is what you need.
1. First you will need a jailbroken iPhone, check jailbreakmatrix.com on howto jailbreak your device
2. You will need to install the Rock Installer when you jailbreak
3. Second head over to Rock Your Phone and sign up for a free account
4. Install MyWi with Rock and start it up
Here you create your Wifi Name, Password and Encryption and then goto your iPad and join the Wifi Connection, No jailbreak no software no nothing required on the iPad
Steve says no, we say yes.
We are located in Canada and know that the iPad 3G is coming with micro Sims which you can't get here yet so don't waste that 6gb data plan you have, and lets put it to use. This way you can also grab it on April 3rd when it launches and don't have to wait for the iPad data plans to be released from the carriers.
The "solution" is to use a phone other than an iPhone. Other phones will tether via WiFi just fine, natively. I'm planning to use a Sony Ericsson J10 Elm to do just this.
The "solution" is to use a phone other than an iPhone. Other phones will tether via WiFi just fine, natively. I'm planning to use a Sony Ericsson J10 Elm to do just this.
Excatly. Been doing that for quite a while. Check out JoikuSpot.com. A great solution for only ?7. Apple and AT&T can piss off.
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The iPad is a separate device. The idea that just because I get 'unlimited' data, I should be able to hook anything to it and get a free ride; well, see what happens if you hook up a trailer and/or boat to your car and try to drive down the road or pass through a toll booth without buying a license or paying extra. Bottom line, there is no free ride.
Yeah. Just like these fools who try to hook up two computers to a single data connection at home! That would be stealing!!! Once my sister tried to hook up an "extension" telephone at my house, but I made her unplug it because I didn't want to pay extra.
There is no free ride!!!
I don't recall which ones, but posters seem to talk them up every year when the new iPhone gets released. Whether they are lying or not, I like the idea of a minimum TCO disclosure.
Well, there are none.
Hey dude.
If you mean Total Cost of Ownership, here in Finland when you buy an iPhone, you just ask them what it would cost to buy out the contract and they calculate it for you on the spot. Be it a one year or two year contract.
And they do it here and in the U.S. as well.
And they do it here and in the U.S. as well.
Do they offer a twin card? One number and data connection on two different SIM cards that are both active at the same time? I think AT&T has something similar but not sure.
Things people here should try...
- Walk into an All-You-Eat resturant, pay for your meal and then after getting plates of food hand them off to other people. When you are caught then say that you are the only one connecting with the buffet and that after it's in your possesion it's no longer their concern and there is nothing they can do about it.
- Go to an All-You-Can-Eat resturant, have your meal and save your reciept. Get that reciept laminatied for all time then come back on subsequent occassions and try to continue your All-You-Can-Eat feast. When tell you otherwise point out that they made no stipulation about how it was defined and that your proof of reciept entitled you eat there until you've passed on.
A little hyperbole can be fun. I think some posters here are the reason that my hairdryer instructs me not to use while showering.It's more like if you walk into an "All-You-Can-Eat" buffet with your wife and two kids and only wanting to pay for one meal. Claiming that your wife and kids will be tethering off the one "all you can eat" plate that you paid for.
Or if you went to an "All-You-Can-Eat" breakfast buffet and wanting to stay for lunch and dinner without having to pay again.
I don't see what's so hard to understand that the price for an "unlimited" data plan for a cell phone is for all the data your cell phone can use in a month. The price is based on how much data the average cell phone user uses while using a cell phone. Just like how the price for an "unlimted" data service for a home is already priced for multiple computer connections. They even offer a free wireless home router so this can easily be done. In most cases.
And just like there are rules when dining at an "All-You-Can-Eat" buffet, there are limitations to all "unlimited" plans. And most of the time, these limitations are not unreasonable.
Unlike cable service or telephone service which doesn't cost the providers a cent more whether you're connecting 1 device or 5 devices. It does cost a data provider more, the more you use the service. Which is why you can have more than one TV or land phone tied to one service contract without paying extra. A cell phone is different in that bandwidth is not free to the provider. The more you use, the more it cost the provider.
Note the 'Total Minimum Cost' column.
Can you direct me to such countries that enforce Mandatory Ownership Disclosure?
Things people here should try...
- Walk into an All-You-Eat resturant, pay for your meal and then after getting plates of food hand them off to other people. When you are caught then say that you are the only one connecting with the buffet and that after it's in your possesion it's no longer their concern and there is nothing they can do about it.
- Go to an All-You-Can-Eat resturant, have your meal and save your reciept. Get that reciept laminatied for all time then come back on subsequent occassions and try to continue your All-You-Can-Eat feast. When tell you otherwise point out that they made no stipulation about how it was defined and that your proof of reciept entitled you eat there until you've passed on.
A little hyperbole can be fun. I think some posters here are the reason that my hairdryer instructs me not to use while showering.HAVING A SHARED DATA PLAN for my mac's is already here
soon it will be allowed for phones also
in finland and other EU states the govt demands this open system
So while i see your point my friend.
It feels like you are beating a dead horse over and over and over with cute little dingys
in fact MIFI systems over time will become very powerful allowing a great strong data hulu like stream to be shared with anyone in range
The weak att/verizon data systems can't handle much now anyway.
in 2015 the 50 mbps service will be nation wide.
DO you thing we will have 4 separate plans for data internet service o gran poo bah !!!
Some one like 7 eleven will offer a single open device plan and start a race to the bottom
>>>>>>>>
ALSO
i may be wrong but NOKIA is the worst polluter out of all phone makers .
BUY AAPL TODAY !!
peace
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Steve Jobs: FAIL/suxxors/arrogant bastard/impolite (loved that one!)/etc.
iPhone: jailbreak it/swap SIM cards/replace with cheap phone to buy iPad/Android
iPad: oversized iPhone-iPod Touch/jailbreak that too
cell carriers (US and specified other countries): money-grubbing spawns of satan
Apple: totalitarian partners with the spawns of satan/becoming Microsoft
internet/celllular data systems: FREEDOM!/free the interwebs/the data must roam free and uncharged-for/screw the carriers who are screwing us
Canada: God's second and successful attempt at Eden
Finland: SAUNAS!!!!!! (er and Nokia too) - sorry that's mine
carriers in other countries: polite and sensible spawns of satan
tethering: because I have to have immediate access to the interwebs anytime, anywhere so I can email and post more inane material...errr do my job.
Smorgasbord/AYCE: nom-nom-nom - just don't abuse it like you do tethering/cell data plans
grammar: why the hell aren't the moderators moderating grammar here???!!!!/look - I can cut and paste from my fav dictionary app/source
There a fine distillation of over 300 responses in less than 35 lines FTW!
Can you read? I am not a Finn. Do you see the tagline under my name?
How hard was that? So would your inability to pay attention be labeled as typical of the American school system?
Why don't you just go and get dual citizenship? That would make this whole thing easier.
Why don't you just go and get dual citizenship? That would make this whole thing easier.
he is now swedish
Australia
Note the 'Total Minimum Cost' column.
Is it mandatory? Certainly not for North America or Europe as some have indicated.
It really isn't hard to calculate.
Most important: all those claims how other countries are offering tethering and it turns out they all have limited data plans. So much for the BS.
Basically, we are all in the same boat. It isn't a dinghy or a luxury liner at that, but it's built, managed and serviced by the same folks that bred us.
So if we want lower costs, I would suggest we grow up and proceed as we did when we first asked and got to use the family car. Calling our dad an arrogant greedy bastard never really worked. And if we are still dissatisfied, like my father used to say, "You can't beat city hall until you elect yourself."
Some one like 7 eleven will offer a single open device plan and start a race to the bottom
>>>>>>>>
Question. Anyone or any business can connect a WiFi device i.e. Airport or other brand to their already existing internet connection and let customers share/use that connection to the web. Why aren't gazillions of businesses already doing this? Like 7 Eleven for example. There's nothing illegal about installing a password free WiFi device and letting anyone use it is there? Seem that you could even advertise that free connection as an included service to your existing business.
Let's say 7 Eleven has their own connection (like many business have for various reasons) and it's simply and open Wireless connection. If they don't care who uses it when they come into the store and even advertise free WiFi who is to say they can't do that? And why don't they do it?
Everyone should open their devices (if there's no sensitive info) and get back at these scum bags and let everyone piggyback off each other.
Question. Anyone or any business can connect a WiFi device i.e. Airport or other brand to their already existing internet connection and let customers share/use that connection to the web. Why aren't gazillions of businesses already doing this? Like 7 Eleven for example. There's nothing illegal about installing a password free WiFi device and letting anyone use it is there? Seem that you could even advertise that free connection as an included service to your existing business.
But who is going to pay for it? Wi-Fi is not free.
But who is going to pay for it? Wi-Fi is not free.
The store ALREADY has the connection! Almost every small independent store I go into has internet on their POS terminal or second computer AND it's often a wireless connection they already have. Everyone who walks in could have free WiFi. Not many stores do this though because when it comes to knowledge and free stuff, people are sort of weird about sharing. It's easy to have a secure connection that's only open for surfing. No risk to personal info especially when they're only in your store for a little while. No additional cost to the store owner but it's nice to have that service.
I live in Japan where WiFi is limited. Especially free WiFi. Almost non existent. I was on the restaurant floor of a boutique mall the other day and was choosing a restaurant. I decided to go to the oyster bar because.....I could check my email on my iPod Touch
They already have the connection. Might as well leave it open. They made $50 in business from me alone simply because they had an open connection.
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I live in Japan where WiFi is limited. Especially free WiFi. Almost non existent. I was on the restaurant floor of a boutique mall the other day and was choosing a restaurant. I decided to go to the oyster bar because.....I could check my email on my iPod Touch
They already have the connection. Might as well leave it open. They made $50 in business from me alone simply because they had an open connection.
http://wifi.google.com/
The city of Mointain View offers free WiFi to anyone in the city limits. Paid for by Google. All you need is to open a Google account. Which is also free. Mountain View is where Google headquarter is located.
But Google does pay for all the bandwidth. It's not something that Google gets for free. But Google got deep pockets and can afford to do this. And they make money from selling advertising to those logged on. They probablly also get a tax break from the city.
The store ALREADY has the connection! Almost every store I go into has internet on their POS terminal or other computer. It's just an additional AirportExtreme box for $99 and boom everyone who walks in has free WiFi. Some stores already do this but not many. People are sort of weird when it comes to offering free stuff. They sort of hoard it for themselves. If everyone opened the connection it would be great.
The store doesn't have unlimited data or connections at any one time without paying more. Neither do you at home or where you work.
And for a 7 Eleven to do it, what do they gain? A hell of a lot of free loaders sitting in their parking lots downloading movies. Certainly it is not like a coffee shop where customers are seated and spending while there. A 7 Eleven makes money by customers coming in fast, buying something and getting out fast.
This idea that everything should be free not realizing that somebody is paying a piper is unbelievably naive.
Very Simple really here is what you need.
1. First you will need a jailbroken iPhone, check jailbreakmatrix.com on howto jailbreak your device
2. You will need to install the Rock Installer when you jailbreak
3. Second head over to Rock Your Phone and sign up for a free account
4. Install MyWi with Rock and start it up
Here you create your Wifi Name, Password and Encryption and then goto your iPad and join the Wifi Connection, No jailbreak no software no nothing required on the iPad
Steve says no, we say yes.
We are located in Canada and know that the iPad 3G is coming with micro Sims which you can't get here yet so don't waste that 6gb data plan you have, and lets put it to use. This way you can also grab it on April 3rd when it launches and don't have to wait for the iPad data plans to be released from the carriers.
Well Steve, Its still over 2 weeks before the iPad Launches and we already have a solution
If you use iProxy, you don't even have to Jailbreak.
C.
The "solution" is to use a phone other than an iPhone. Other phones will tether via WiFi just fine, natively. I'm planning to use a Sony Ericsson J10 Elm to do just this.
Excatly. Been doing that for quite a while. Check out JoikuSpot.com. A great solution for only ?7. Apple and AT&T can piss off.