<strong>I say we give them everything between Texas and California back. Give hollywood back to the Mexicans, I sure as hell don't want it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, California is pretty much gone anyway and so is texas. Who says we won the war?
As for this Arab-Israeli thing, I was getting quite bored with it so i figured I'd lighten things up. Lets just conclude by saying Rashumon, and all who agree with him, is correct and the rest of you, especially Groverat and New, is wrong. See-was that so hard?............................................. ......
Er... hey dude, that ain't, actually, er, funny.</strong><hr></blockquote>
NO, off course it isn't, its very sad !
But I did think that for Arafat to call Jenin Jeningrad was a bit on the , well , ridiculous side.....
Also I find it amazing that the Palestinians are still talking about more then 500 dead when confirmed reports from the Red Cross and others bring the total to 52 which is more or less what the IDF said.
I just recall how people on this thread were so quick to jump up and down and blame Israel for huge massacres..... they just couldn't resist the opportunity to think the worst about it... hey don't miss a chance to bash the 'Shitty little country'' a bit....
Sure , Arafat condemns violence against civilians and hundreds of civilians have been massacred in Jenin .....err sorry Jeningrad.... what would they think of next ?
Martians are in control of Sharon's brain who is eating palestinian children every day ... just for fun ?
<strong>No, your "bodies'll do that" crack. Ain't funny.
Don't make mock of the dead.
What is your source for the number of dead? I've been trawling the web for days. The Red Crescent site has nothing on it. I want to know your source.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes you are right .. i apologize <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
in the middle it says: The Palestine Red Crescent Society said 53 bodies of Palestinians have been recovered from the camp and buried. Israel has said 23 of its soldiers were killed at the camp.
There were other places I saw this today... but I can't locate it now.... later i will i hope...
I saw some <a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158947&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y" target="_blank">footage on the boob tube</a> of a Palestinian funeral where they dropped the coffin and everyone started running away. That's when the 'corpse' was miraculously resurrected by Allah and just walked away. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I wonder if anyone bothered to poke the bodies in the mass graves to see if they said 'ouch'.
Who blamed Israel for huge massacres?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Quite a few people ..... you and New were rather trigger happy and some of the one-liner-visitors have as well .. read back on this and the other thread...
<strong>I saw some <a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158947&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y" target="_blank">footage on the boob tube</a> of a Palestinian funeral where they dropped the coffin and everyone started running away. That's when the 'corpse' was miraculously resurrected by Allah and just walked away. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I wonder if anyone bothered to poke the bodies in the mass graves to see if they said 'ouch'.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LOL my parents over there saw it on TV .... they said it was hilarious.. with a zombi like guy jumping off the streacher and running away with the white shits and all...
So our main point of conflict seems to be about the pre-67 borders. The palestinians will never settle for less, there's no doubt about that. So if the conflict is about israeli security, then a withdrawal to the pre-67 borders is the only solution that will work in the long run. The alternatives are:
1. Constant martial law, which will be imposible to maintain, and will invoke international reactions sooner or later. or:
2. Full annexation. which is not an alternative to the political leadership in Israel, because the shere amount of palestinians citizens would treathen Israels status as a "jewish state".
(3. Annexation and expulsion of (parts of) the population of the OT. This not an alternative as the concequences would be dire.)
The question then remains: Is Israel occupying the territories just for security reasons or because they have aspirations for the land. As soon as we admitt that these aspirations do exist, the sooner we can put an end to them. This is the only reasonable way forward.
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<strong>double post... oops</strong><hr></blockquote>
Trying to say something mate ? .... i'dd love to know what ....
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675577/posts"; target="_blank">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675577/posts</a>;
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<strong>I say we give them everything between Texas and California back. Give hollywood back to the Mexicans, I sure as hell don't want it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, California is pretty much gone anyway and so is texas. Who says we won the war?
As for this Arab-Israeli thing, I was getting quite bored with it so i figured I'd lighten things up. Lets just conclude by saying Rashumon, and all who agree with him, is correct and the rest of you, especially Groverat and New, is wrong. See-was that so hard?............................................. ......
He declared that from now on Jenin will be called Jeningrad
BTW according to the latest Palestinian Red Cross figures they have found 52 bodies ( almost all fighters) in Jenin..grad...
...off course there must still be thousands hiding from them ....bodies are prone to do that ya know....
<strong>.....ANd then he went on to conduct an orchestra of supportes....hehe
He declared that from now on Jenin will be called Jeningrad
BTW according to the latest Palestinian Red Cross figures they have found 52 bodies ( almost all fighters) in Jenin..grad...
...off course there must still be thousands hiding from them ....bodies are prone to do that ya know....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Er... hey dude, that ain't, actually, er, funny.
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Er... hey dude, that ain't, actually, er, funny.</strong><hr></blockquote>
NO, off course it isn't, its very sad !
But I did think that for Arafat to call Jenin Jeningrad was a bit on the , well , ridiculous side.....
Also I find it amazing that the Palestinians are still talking about more then 500 dead when confirmed reports from the Red Cross and others bring the total to 52 which is more or less what the IDF said.
I just recall how people on this thread were so quick to jump up and down and blame Israel for huge massacres..... they just couldn't resist the opportunity to think the worst about it... hey don't miss a chance to bash the 'Shitty little country'' a bit....
<a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158937&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=0&sbSubContrassID=0" target="_blank">http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158937&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=0&sbSubContrassID=0</a>
Another proof of the PA's lie machine in action
Sure , Arafat condemns violence against civilians and hundreds of civilians have been massacred in Jenin .....err sorry Jeningrad.... what would they think of next ?
Martians are in control of Sharon's brain who is eating palestinian children every day ... just for fun ?
Don't make mock of the dead.
What is your source for the number of dead? I've been trawling the web for days. The Red Crescent site has nothing on it. I want to know your source.
<strong>No, your "bodies'll do that" crack. Ain't funny.
Don't make mock of the dead.
What is your source for the number of dead? I've been trawling the web for days. The Red Crescent site has nothing on it. I want to know your source.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes you are right .. i apologize <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
re link for the number of Jenin casualties :
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/05/02/un.jenin.probe/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/05/02/un.jenin.probe/index.html</a>;
in the middle it says: The Palestine Red Crescent Society said 53 bodies of Palestinians have been recovered from the camp and buried. Israel has said 23 of its soldiers were killed at the camp.
There were other places I saw this today... but I can't locate it now.... later i will i hope...
And an Interesting read about the subject :
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1963000/1963737.stm"; target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1963000/1963737.stm</a>;
I wonder if anyone bothered to poke the bodies in the mass graves to see if they said 'ouch'.
Who blamed Israel for huge massacres?
<strong>
Who blamed Israel for huge massacres?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Quite a few people ..... you and New were rather trigger happy and some of the one-liner-visitors have as well .. read back on this and the other thread...
<strong>I saw some <a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158947&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y" target="_blank">footage on the boob tube</a> of a Palestinian funeral where they dropped the coffin and everyone started running away. That's when the 'corpse' was miraculously resurrected by Allah and just walked away. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I wonder if anyone bothered to poke the bodies in the mass graves to see if they said 'ouch'.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LOL my parents over there saw it on TV .... they said it was hilarious.. with a zombi like guy jumping off the streacher and running away with the white shits and all...
I never blamed anyone. I said: lets wait for the UN report... What a joke...
You can put words in my mouth if you like, though, if it helps your argument.
Should Israel pull out of illegally occupied territorries? -- magority say YES.
Should Palestinians stop with the suicide bombings? -- I can safely say everyone agrees with YES?
Should the 1967 borders be enforced? -- Split down the middle.
Does Israel have the right to exist? -- Most say YES.
Should Palestine have an indipendant state? -- Again, most say YES.
I think we agree with the major issues. it's the details that are the sticking point.
1. Constant martial law, which will be imposible to maintain, and will invoke international reactions sooner or later. or:
2. Full annexation. which is not an alternative to the political leadership in Israel, because the shere amount of palestinians citizens would treathen Israels status as a "jewish state".
(3. Annexation and expulsion of (parts of) the population of the OT. This not an alternative as the concequences would be dire.)
The question then remains: Is Israel occupying the territories just for security reasons or because they have aspirations for the land. As soon as we admitt that these aspirations do exist, the sooner we can put an end to them. This is the only reasonable way forward.