For example, my toaster uses sensors and a logic chip. If we include toasters in the definition, then Sunbeam is a major computer company.
But we are not trying to make Sunbeam a computer maker, we are trying to make Apple the Biggest computer maker. Therefore, it is useful to call the iPad a computer.
Therefore, the iPad is a computer, and Apple is Biggest.
Words are used for a purpose. If you know your purpose, then your definitions flow naturally.
Yes, something tells me that you actually do use your toaster as a "personal" computer.
You can't get more Personal than a tablet computer.
And the degree of "Personal" is what defines an electronic device as a Personal Computer. For example, Smartphones are VERY personal - they are rarely shared. Nobody can deny that a Smartphone incorporates computer functions.
Therefore, the most personal computer is a Smartphone!
A desktop is LESS of a computer. A tablet is LESS of a computer. Why? Because a smartphone is the MOST Personal a computer could possible be! So a Smartphone is the REAL "Personal Comptuer" and desktops and tablets are not.
What do most people do with a computer? Chat, email, browse the web. Sounds like stuff you can do on a tablet. Of course, an iPad can also house synthesizers, music recording software, virtual guitar amps and effects, just like a PC can. You can edit video on them, you can run Citrix to connect to a work computer...really except for high end gaming, you can do most things on a tablet. Considering how small the market for high end gaming is, I think that's fine for tablets.
Well said, squirrel, I would even go so far as to say, my iPhone is a computer!
Ok, no reason to fling out insults at the start of all of your posts...
The 'insult' is that the trolls start off by accusing fanboys/fanbois of claiming that everyone just needs an iPad and then go about critizing them for it. The trolls set the agenda here. Now, you have used another set of arbitrary and occasionally incorrect assertions in an attempt to push your argument. It's okay though, just label anyone who disagrees a fanboy and move on.
So now we define what is or is not a personal computer by your arbitrary definition. Get a life!
did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? All the personal insults and attacks.......too much coffee maybe...get easily excited maybe....
But if we are calling a tablet a computer then explain what can you do on your tablet that can't be done on a smartphone?
Well said, squirrel, I would even go so far as to say, my iPhone is a computer!
Of course it is a computer.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? All the personal insults and attacks.......too much coffee maybe...get easily excited maybe....
But if we are calling a tablet a computer then explain what can you do on your tablet that can't be done on a smartphone?
Okay, at least your comments were insulting - well done. I do a heap on my tablet personal computer that I wouldn't dream of doing on my iPhone (yes, I own one of those too). I write, use spreadsheets, use Keynote to produce and present materials, give presentations and browse the Internet with something that makes it a pleasure (and practical) to do so. I share information with colleagues either by driving a projector or just passing my iPad around, which works very well thank you. \
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
In their announcements and marketing, Apple make it very clear that the iPad is not a PC. It's a device for the post-PC world.
The iPad is not a PC. That's Apple's line.
I think part of the problem is confusion/disagreement over what "computer" and "PC" means. It can be argued that an iPad is a computer and that it's a personal computer.
We need a new term to define what used to be known as a PC (x86/PowerPC laptop, desktop, netbook, etc) instead of arguing over terminology.
Yes, something tells me that you actually do use your toaster as a "personal" computer.
Yes in the strictest sense, a toaster has a computer. It processes things doesnt it? However, I argue for its exclusion because it is not a general purpose computer... it is a one trick pony... its computer makes sure you have good toast. Whereas tablets have a generalized CPU, capable of performing any task given that a program is written for it.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
The term PC will disappear into yesteryear. It was coined in an age long gone and is a term that, as the iPad has shown, is becoming less and less relevant every day. Hopefully, it will take at least some trolls with it.
Okay, at least your comments were insulting - well done. I do a heap on my tablet personal computer that I wouldn't dream of doing on my iPhone (yes, I own one of those too). I write, use spreadsheets, use Keynote to produce and present materials, give presentations and browse the Internet with something that makes it a pleasure (and practical) to do so. I share information with colleagues either by driving a projector or just passing my iPad around, which works very well thank you. \
And all of those things you can do from a smartphone...so should that be considerd a PC by your use definitions? So if you categorize a tablet a PC by what it can do and a smartphone can do the same things then by your definition a smartphone should be a PC as well.....
The brain may be a computer, but it is not an electronic digital device. So generally, when people use the word computer, they are talking about dissimilar things from the human brain.
Yes in the strictest sense, a toaster has a computer. It processes things doesnt it? However, I argue for its exclusion because it is not a general purpose computer... it is a one trick pony... its computer makes sure you have good toast. Whereas tablets have a generalized CPU, capable of performing any task given that a program is written for it.
Hmmmm... there seems to be a rift in the cosmos. I seemed to recall that this article was about "personal" computers.
I think part of the problem is confusion/disagreement over what "computer" and "PC" means. It can be argued that an iPad is a computer and that it's a personal computer.
We need a new term to define what used to be known as a PC (x86/PowerPC laptop, desktop, netbook, etc) instead of arguing over terminology.
Comprehension of the article might be part of the problem.
I don't think there is any argument over what computer means and what personal computer means. The argument seems to be about what is included as a personal computer.
In their announcements and marketing, Apple make it very clear that the iPad is not a PC. It's a device for the post-PC world.
The iPad is not a PC. That's Apple's line.
At the beginning Apple was positioning it between a smartphone and a desktop/laptop, and it REQUIRED you to sync with an existing PC for it to even function.
With "PC Free" in iOS5, I think this distinction becomes even more murky.
And you can't deny that some of this is marketing speak. The term "PC" has a lot of baggage attached to it. It means something complicated and imposing to a large group of people. By positioning it as a "PostPC" product, Apple is hoping to leave a lot of that behind. And in my mind they've succeeded. BOTH my grandparents now have iPads as their ONLY computer, and they're doing everything they would have done on a traditional box with it.
Every PC form factor comes with limitations. An iMac, or ANY laptop aren't as expandable as a tower, but they're still considered PCs (of course).
A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do. For some people, an iPad meets that definition.
Ultimately, the reason why I think iPads should be included into PC marketshare is because someone- albeit a limited sliver of the market, IS buying the iPad as a PC replacement. That being the case- how can it NOT be included in the same category?
The brain may be a computer, but it is not an electronic digital device. So generally, when people use the word computer, they are talking about dissimilar things from the human brain.
So when u say "dissimilar," u mean, as similar "...as two dissimilar 'things' in a pod?"
And all of those things you can do from a smartphone...so should that be considerd a PC by your use definitions? So if you categorize a tablet a PC by what it can do and a smartphone can do the same things then by your definition a smartphone should be a PC as well.....
Unbelievable... it wouldn't matter what I said, typical trolling response! If you actually believe that then what more is there to say? Maybe this, I'll bet you wouldn't consider picking up a smartphone to use for those tasks but an iPad is quite capable of performing them.
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We can call anything we want a computer.
For example, my toaster uses sensors and a logic chip. If we include toasters in the definition, then Sunbeam is a major computer company.
But we are not trying to make Sunbeam a computer maker, we are trying to make Apple the Biggest computer maker. Therefore, it is useful to call the iPad a computer.
Therefore, the iPad is a computer, and Apple is Biggest.
Words are used for a purpose. If you know your purpose, then your definitions flow naturally.
Yes, something tells me that you actually do use your toaster as a "personal" computer.
You can't get more Personal than a tablet computer.
And the degree of "Personal" is what defines an electronic device as a Personal Computer. For example, Smartphones are VERY personal - they are rarely shared. Nobody can deny that a Smartphone incorporates computer functions.
Therefore, the most personal computer is a Smartphone!
A desktop is LESS of a computer. A tablet is LESS of a computer. Why? Because a smartphone is the MOST Personal a computer could possible be! So a Smartphone is the REAL "Personal Comptuer" and desktops and tablets are not.
What do most people do with a computer? Chat, email, browse the web. Sounds like stuff you can do on a tablet. Of course, an iPad can also house synthesizers, music recording software, virtual guitar amps and effects, just like a PC can. You can edit video on them, you can run Citrix to connect to a work computer...really except for high end gaming, you can do most things on a tablet. Considering how small the market for high end gaming is, I think that's fine for tablets.
Well said, squirrel, I would even go so far as to say, my iPhone is a computer!
Ok, no reason to fling out insults at the start of all of your posts...
The 'insult' is that the trolls start off by accusing fanboys/fanbois of claiming that everyone just needs an iPad and then go about critizing them for it. The trolls set the agenda here. Now, you have used another set of arbitrary and occasionally incorrect assertions in an attempt to push your argument. It's okay though, just label anyone who disagrees a fanboy and move on.
The iPad is not a PC. That's Apple's line.
So now we define what is or is not a personal computer by your arbitrary definition. Get a life!
did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? All the personal insults and attacks.......too much coffee maybe...get easily excited maybe....
But if we are calling a tablet a computer then explain what can you do on your tablet that can't be done on a smartphone?
Well said, squirrel, I would even go so far as to say, my iPhone is a computer!
Of course it is a computer.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? All the personal insults and attacks.......too much coffee maybe...get easily excited maybe....
But if we are calling a tablet a computer then explain what can you do on your tablet that can't be done on a smartphone?
Okay, at least your comments were insulting - well done. I do a heap on my tablet personal computer that I wouldn't dream of doing on my iPhone (yes, I own one of those too). I write, use spreadsheets, use Keynote to produce and present materials, give presentations and browse the Internet with something that makes it a pleasure (and practical) to do so. I share information with colleagues either by driving a projector or just passing my iPad around, which works very well thank you. \
Of course it is a computer.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
My brain is a computer, is it "personal," too?
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In their announcements and marketing, Apple make it very clear that the iPad is not a PC. It's a device for the post-PC world.
The iPad is not a PC. That's Apple's line.
I think part of the problem is confusion/disagreement over what "computer" and "PC" means. It can be argued that an iPad is a computer and that it's a personal computer.
We need a new term to define what used to be known as a PC (x86/PowerPC laptop, desktop, netbook, etc) instead of arguing over terminology.
Yes, something tells me that you actually do use your toaster as a "personal" computer.
Yes in the strictest sense, a toaster has a computer. It processes things doesnt it? However, I argue for its exclusion because it is not a general purpose computer... it is a one trick pony... its computer makes sure you have good toast. Whereas tablets have a generalized CPU, capable of performing any task given that a program is written for it.
Classifying any (current)tablet as a computer with it's stripped down OS and reduced functionality is a travesty to the term Personal Computer.
If you can classify a POS Dell netbook as a pc, then an iPad def qualifies!
Of course it is a computer.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
The term PC will disappear into yesteryear. It was coined in an age long gone and is a term that, as the iPad has shown, is becoming less and less relevant every day. Hopefully, it will take at least some trolls with it.
Okay, at least your comments were insulting - well done. I do a heap on my tablet personal computer that I wouldn't dream of doing on my iPhone (yes, I own one of those too). I write, use spreadsheets, use Keynote to produce and present materials, give presentations and browse the Internet with something that makes it a pleasure (and practical) to do so. I share information with colleagues either by driving a projector or just passing my iPad around, which works very well thank you. \
And all of those things you can do from a smartphone...so should that be considerd a PC by your use definitions? So if you categorize a tablet a PC by what it can do and a smartphone can do the same things then by your definition a smartphone should be a PC as well.....
My brain is a computer, is it "personal," too?
Best
The brain may be a computer, but it is not an electronic digital device. So generally, when people use the word computer, they are talking about dissimilar things from the human brain.
Yes in the strictest sense, a toaster has a computer. It processes things doesnt it? However, I argue for its exclusion because it is not a general purpose computer... it is a one trick pony... its computer makes sure you have good toast. Whereas tablets have a generalized CPU, capable of performing any task given that a program is written for it.
Hmmmm... there seems to be a rift in the cosmos. I seemed to recall that this article was about "personal" computers.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Carry on.
I think part of the problem is confusion/disagreement over what "computer" and "PC" means. It can be argued that an iPad is a computer and that it's a personal computer.
We need a new term to define what used to be known as a PC (x86/PowerPC laptop, desktop, netbook, etc) instead of arguing over terminology.
Comprehension of the article might be part of the problem.
I don't think there is any argument over what computer means and what personal computer means. The argument seems to be about what is included as a personal computer.
In their announcements and marketing, Apple make it very clear that the iPad is not a PC. It's a device for the post-PC world.
The iPad is not a PC. That's Apple's line.
At the beginning Apple was positioning it between a smartphone and a desktop/laptop, and it REQUIRED you to sync with an existing PC for it to even function.
With "PC Free" in iOS5, I think this distinction becomes even more murky.
And you can't deny that some of this is marketing speak. The term "PC" has a lot of baggage attached to it. It means something complicated and imposing to a large group of people. By positioning it as a "PostPC" product, Apple is hoping to leave a lot of that behind. And in my mind they've succeeded. BOTH my grandparents now have iPads as their ONLY computer, and they're doing everything they would have done on a traditional box with it.
Every PC form factor comes with limitations. An iMac, or ANY laptop aren't as expandable as a tower, but they're still considered PCs (of course).
A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do. For some people, an iPad meets that definition.
Ultimately, the reason why I think iPads should be included into PC marketshare is because someone- albeit a limited sliver of the market, IS buying the iPad as a PC replacement. That being the case- how can it NOT be included in the same category?
The brain may be a computer, but it is not an electronic digital device. So generally, when people use the word computer, they are talking about dissimilar things from the human brain.
So when u say "dissimilar," u mean, as similar "...as two dissimilar 'things' in a pod?"
And all of those things you can do from a smartphone...so should that be considerd a PC by your use definitions? So if you categorize a tablet a PC by what it can do and a smartphone can do the same things then by your definition a smartphone should be a PC as well.....
Unbelievable... it wouldn't matter what I said, typical trolling response! If you actually believe that then what more is there to say? Maybe this, I'll bet you wouldn't consider picking up a smartphone to use for those tasks but an iPad is quite capable of performing them.