Wrong! Most PCs are in fact, less capable than the iPad, which is why the term PC will go away in respect of describing something useful.
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
Using 11thIndian's defintion which I think is great, "A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do." I suppose a smartphone or PMP might fit that build, but I doubt that many would consider it a replacement for a standard PC.
Where a user might have used a notebook for casual computing or have been tied to a desktop they are finding the iPad to fit the majority of their PC needs. I've even read about plenty of longtime notebook users going for a desktop for their purchase because the iPad suits their mobile needs sufficiently and in many ways better.
Seriously?
My experience with multiple people is that they're ditching everything but a phone and the iPad. Some are "trying" to get me to "repair" their broken PCs... I should say, broken WinXP.
However, due to personal time constraints... and a bit of slyness on my side getting the people to use and learn the iPad... I haven't had anyone "begging" or bothering me to "please fix their PC". Quite the opposite from a few folks: "can you dispose of it for me?".
Turns out that the PC is the truck they don't want or need any longer.
PS. I think that "throne" comment by Dick should be your next sig
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
And command line computers could do a lot more intricate things than simply clicking around the screen. That doesn't mean that command line is overall more effective, efficient, or can do everything that a GUI-based system can do.
There are tasks that make the iPhone better suited than the iPad better suited than the Mac, and in every other possible configuration. As the iPad evolves ? it's only been around for 1.5 years ? it will continue to find new ways to do things that the old paradigm couldn't imagine. That's the nature of technology.
Yes, because the entire point of the article is about sales figures based on how the iPad is classified. The same thing happens when you compare Apple to a single other smartphone vendor vs comparing Apple to Android which includes all vendors. If the iPad is included, then that makes things very complicated with what should also be included (other tablets, Kindle's, smartphones, computer screen refrigerators etc). It's all very subjective.
...you forgot the abacus, direction signal and the automatic headlight dimmer...
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
How about, take it with me and follow my progress in reaching an unfamiliar destination. Not good enough? How about using it to control an unpiloted aerial vehicle simply by holding and moving it? No PC that I've seen can do either of those with the possible exception of a portable equipped with capability extending peripherals. Dare accepted, now go away!
And command line computers could do a lot more intricate things than simply clicking around the screen. That doesn't mean that command line is overall more effective, efficient, or can do everything that a GUI-based system can do.
I can say that I am one who does use the command line every single day as well as a mouse/pointer based interface.
The PC/tablet argument is just like the the truck/car scenario. Both are vehicles with specific purposes in design. You can commute to work in a truck and carry cargo in a car and there are those SUVs. Are they a car or a truck? Who the hell cares?
My experience with multiple people is that they're ditching everything but a phone and the iPad. Some are "trying" to get me to "repair" their broken PCs... I should say, broken WinXP.
This site and people I know surely aren't representative but many are stopping having multiple notebooks in the home to just have a single iMac as their powerhouse PC with iPad and iPhone "satellite computing" to take up the rest of their needs.
per·son·al com·pu·ter: A microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time
mi·cro·com·pu·ter: A small computer that contains a microprocessor as its central processor
com·put·er: An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program
mi·cro·proc·es·sor: An integrated circuit that contains all the functions of a central processing unit of a computer
A tablet (including the iPad) is or has all these things... so what about it makes it not a computer? The form factor? I didn't see form factor as part of the definition of a computer....
You are totally correct of course. Those wing nuts arguing against the obvious simply have an agenda, they don't want Apple to be the largest ... that's it. It is probably pointless arguing with them.
It also occurs to me they want to include all the old PCs out the running XP that any iPad could wipe the floor with in 'computing' power.
I can say that I am one who does use the command line every single day as well as a mouse/pointer based interface.
The PC/tablet argument is just like the the truck/car scenario. Both are vehicles with specific purposes in design. You can commute to work in a truck and carry cargo in a car and there are those SUVs. Are they a car or a truck? Who the hell cares?
The command line is useful on my iMac too, yes, Macs can do that.
However, just as a truck is not a car and a car is not a truck or SUV or a motorcycle, a PC is not an iPad but an iPad, while it is not a truck, car, SUV or motorcycle, is a PC, in fact, a super-PC (as in super set).
This site and people I know surely aren't representative but many are stopping having multiple notebooks in the home to just have a single iMac as their powerhouse PC with iPad and iPhone "satellite computing" to take up the rest of their needs.
Actually I have more than a few of those scenarios as well... and there is one guy I can't truthfully move from his Win-Box, due to accounting software. ALTHOUGH, he has a Mac-mini in his future running Fusion or Parallels... he just doesn't know it yet
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PS: I took your advice.
I should have been more careful about that suggestion: I have this wretched image in my brain that won't go away and has me ROFL and in tears every time I see it!
Unbelievable... it wouldn't matter what I said, typical trolling response! If you actually believe that then what more is there to say? Maybe this, I'll bet you wouldn't consider picking up a smartphone to use for those tasks but an iPad is quite capable of performing them.
So if I disagree with you and point out your contradictions..............then voila! i am a troll because you don't have a better arguement????
You are totally correct of course. Those wing nuts arguing against the obvious simply have an agenda, they don't want Apple to be the largest ... that's it. It is probably pointless arguing with them.
If that were true then why are people saying that the new definition of PC includes the iPhone as well?
I think for once the actual argument is the argument and all these paranoid thoughts of ulterior motives are unnecessary
Agreed. The term PC has, for many reasons, become increasingly irrelevant.
However, we still have the problem of whether or not we lump tablet computer sales with desktop, laptop and netbook computer sales to come up with a total "personal computer" (NOT Personal Computer") sales figure.
An iPad is much more capable than a PC manufactured in 1999. Should we rename older PCs to no longer be called PCs?
My opinion: if netbooks are included in the total, then tablet computers should be too, as they serve most of the functions of a netbook and are displacing them.
BTW, tablet computer sales always were included in PC sales totals before the iPad came out. Why change now?
Your last point illustrates why those here claiming a tablet isn't a PC are purely motivated by grief at Apple's success.
At the beginning Apple was positioning it between a smartphone and a desktop/laptop, and it REQUIRED you to sync with an existing PC for it to even function.
A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do. For some people, an iPad meets that definition.
Sorry, I want to do far more than any "PC" will allow me to do.
I consider all PCs, iPads and the smart in smart phones as nothing other than a PDA. Each of them has there own abilities and restrictions.
Back to the article however, if you add Macs and iPads together Apple is the biggest vendor in a pretty big market. This is impressive no matter how you define it.
1) Calling it a mobile PC is a classification, so the article did classify it.
2) Aren't notebooks mobile PCs, too. I know some are quite large and hard to lug around but they are, by design, mobile with their batteries and collapsing lids.
Actually, my partner and I lugged an Apple/// (in it's carrying case) down to Boca Raton to give our preso to IBM to be accepted as an IBM/PC reseller.
Funny experience... The IBM executive who interviewed us said that they had really checked us out -- as they were not approving just anyone...
Somehow their research missed the fact that my partner Mark's last name was Wozniak... and that I had worked for IBM for 16 1/2 years -- ending the year before the interview.
We gave the whole preso using a prerelease Apple/// version of Dave Winer's outliner app -- later called "ThinkTank" (I tried to get him to call it "Vista" -- because from the top level headline you could see everything...) +100 for Dave!
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Oh... I thought that we came here specifically to insult each other.
You're really on your game today
Wrong! Most PCs are in fact, less capable than the iPad, which is why the term PC will go away in respect of describing something useful.
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
Dick is royalty around here... and this is his first speech from the throne (that we know about anyway).
Surely you suspect that this is not the first time!
Using 11thIndian's defintion which I think is great, "A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do." I suppose a smartphone or PMP might fit that build, but I doubt that many would consider it a replacement for a standard PC.
Where a user might have used a notebook for casual computing or have been tied to a desktop they are finding the iPad to fit the majority of their PC needs. I've even read about plenty of longtime notebook users going for a desktop for their purchase because the iPad suits their mobile needs sufficiently and in many ways better.
Seriously?
My experience with multiple people is that they're ditching everything but a phone and the iPad. Some are "trying" to get me to "repair" their broken PCs... I should say, broken WinXP.
However, due to personal time constraints... and a bit of slyness on my side getting the people to use and learn the iPad... I haven't had anyone "begging" or bothering me to "please fix their PC". Quite the opposite from a few folks: "can you dispose of it for me?".
Turns out that the PC is the truck they don't want or need any longer.
PS. I think that "throne" comment by Dick should be your next sig
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
And command line computers could do a lot more intricate things than simply clicking around the screen. That doesn't mean that command line is overall more effective, efficient, or can do everything that a GUI-based system can do.
There are tasks that make the iPhone better suited than the iPad better suited than the Mac, and in every other possible configuration. As the iPad evolves ? it's only been around for 1.5 years ? it will continue to find new ways to do things that the old paradigm couldn't imagine. That's the nature of technology.
Yes, because the entire point of the article is about sales figures based on how the iPad is classified. The same thing happens when you compare Apple to a single other smartphone vendor vs comparing Apple to Android which includes all vendors. If the iPad is included, then that makes things very complicated with what should also be included (other tablets, Kindle's, smartphones, computer screen refrigerators etc). It's all very subjective.
...you forgot the abacus, direction signal and the automatic headlight dimmer...
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
....OK... I'm biting: for example?
Oh really, most PCs?. I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot. And not something stupid like "run iOS" or something iPad specific like Angry Birds. Because I can name hundreds of things a PC can do that an iPad can't.
How about, take it with me and follow my progress in reaching an unfamiliar destination. Not good enough? How about using it to control an unpiloted aerial vehicle simply by holding and moving it? No PC that I've seen can do either of those with the possible exception of a portable equipped with capability extending peripherals. Dare accepted, now go away!
And command line computers could do a lot more intricate things than simply clicking around the screen. That doesn't mean that command line is overall more effective, efficient, or can do everything that a GUI-based system can do.
I can say that I am one who does use the command line every single day as well as a mouse/pointer based interface.
The PC/tablet argument is just like the the truck/car scenario. Both are vehicles with specific purposes in design. You can commute to work in a truck and carry cargo in a car and there are those SUVs. Are they a car or a truck? Who the hell cares?
Seriously?
My experience with multiple people is that they're ditching everything but a phone and the iPad. Some are "trying" to get me to "repair" their broken PCs... I should say, broken WinXP.
This site and people I know surely aren't representative but many are stopping having multiple notebooks in the home to just have a single iMac as their powerhouse PC with iPad and iPhone "satellite computing" to take up the rest of their needs.
PS: I took your advice.
The article said nothing about how the iPad is classified, it was users on this forum started the classification argument.
I thought the article had a way to clear this argument up nicely... "mobile PC"
Actually... How many use a "personal computer" to compute?
compute
com·pute
[kuhm-pyoot] Show IPA verb, -put·ed, -put·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1. to determine by calculation; reckon; calculate: to compute the period of Jupiter's revolution.
2. to determine by using a computer or calculator.
verb (used without object)
3. to reckon; calculate.
4. to use a computer or calculator.
5. Informal . to make sense; add up: His reasons for doing that just don't compute.
Lets look at some definitions....
per·son·al com·pu·ter: A microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time
mi·cro·com·pu·ter: A small computer that contains a microprocessor as its central processor
com·put·er: An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program
mi·cro·proc·es·sor: An integrated circuit that contains all the functions of a central processing unit of a computer
A tablet (including the iPad) is or has all these things... so what about it makes it not a computer? The form factor? I didn't see form factor as part of the definition of a computer....
You are totally correct of course. Those wing nuts arguing against the obvious simply have an agenda, they don't want Apple to be the largest ... that's it. It is probably pointless arguing with them.
It also occurs to me they want to include all the old PCs out the running XP that any iPad could wipe the floor with in 'computing' power.
I can say that I am one who does use the command line every single day as well as a mouse/pointer based interface.
The PC/tablet argument is just like the the truck/car scenario. Both are vehicles with specific purposes in design. You can commute to work in a truck and carry cargo in a car and there are those SUVs. Are they a car or a truck? Who the hell cares?
The command line is useful on my iMac too, yes, Macs can do that.
However, just as a truck is not a car and a car is not a truck or SUV or a motorcycle, a PC is not an iPad but an iPad, while it is not a truck, car, SUV or motorcycle, is a PC, in fact, a super-PC (as in super set).
This site and people I know surely aren't representative but many are stopping having multiple notebooks in the home to just have a single iMac as their powerhouse PC with iPad and iPhone "satellite computing" to take up the rest of their needs.
Actually I have more than a few of those scenarios as well... and there is one guy I can't truthfully move from his Win-Box, due to accounting software. ALTHOUGH, he has a Mac-mini in his future running Fusion or Parallels... he just doesn't know it yet
PS: I took your advice.
I should have been more careful about that suggestion: I have this wretched image in my brain that won't go away and has me ROFL and in tears every time I see it!
Unbelievable... it wouldn't matter what I said, typical trolling response! If you actually believe that then what more is there to say? Maybe this, I'll bet you wouldn't consider picking up a smartphone to use for those tasks but an iPad is quite capable of performing them.
So if I disagree with you and point out your contradictions..............then voila! i am a troll because you don't have a better arguement????
You are totally correct of course. Those wing nuts arguing against the obvious simply have an agenda, they don't want Apple to be the largest ... that's it. It is probably pointless arguing with them.
If that were true then why are people saying that the new definition of PC includes the iPhone as well?
I think for once the actual argument is the argument and all these paranoid thoughts of ulterior motives are unnecessary
Agreed. The term PC has, for many reasons, become increasingly irrelevant.
However, we still have the problem of whether or not we lump tablet computer sales with desktop, laptop and netbook computer sales to come up with a total "personal computer" (NOT Personal Computer") sales figure.
An iPad is much more capable than a PC manufactured in 1999. Should we rename older PCs to no longer be called PCs?
My opinion: if netbooks are included in the total, then tablet computers should be too, as they serve most of the functions of a netbook and are displacing them.
BTW, tablet computer sales always were included in PC sales totals before the iPad came out. Why change now?
Your last point illustrates why those here claiming a tablet isn't a PC are purely motivated by grief at Apple's success.
At the beginning Apple was positioning it between a smartphone and a desktop/laptop, and it REQUIRED you to sync with an existing PC for it to even function.
A PC isn't defined as a device that allows you do to everything, it's a device that allows you to do everything you want to do. For some people, an iPad meets that definition.
Sorry, I want to do far more than any "PC" will allow me to do.
I consider all PCs, iPads and the smart in smart phones as nothing other than a PDA. Each of them has there own abilities and restrictions.
Back to the article however, if you add Macs and iPads together Apple is the biggest vendor in a pretty big market. This is impressive no matter how you define it.
The iPad (or any tablet) MAY not be a PC, but it is a very profitable business for Apple !
... but not for its competitors ...
STOP
1) Calling it a mobile PC is a classification, so the article did classify it.
2) Aren't notebooks mobile PCs, too. I know some are quite large and hard to lug around but they are, by design, mobile with their batteries and collapsing lids.
Actually, my partner and I lugged an Apple/// (in it's carrying case) down to Boca Raton to give our preso to IBM to be accepted as an IBM/PC reseller.
Funny experience... The IBM executive who interviewed us said that they had really checked us out -- as they were not approving just anyone...
Somehow their research missed the fact that my partner Mark's last name was Wozniak... and that I had worked for IBM for 16 1/2 years -- ending the year before the interview.
We gave the whole preso using a prerelease Apple/// version of Dave Winer's outliner app -- later called "ThinkTank" (I tried to get him to call it "Vista" -- because from the top level headline you could see everything...) +100 for Dave!