What a PERFECT way to further help the transition to a fully multitouch desktop OS!
It's becoming more and more obvious that Apple shares your vision of multitouch computing. Look at the changes to the UI in iTunes 11 and tell me it wasn't designed to accommodate being operated on a touchscreen. Someone even mentioned in another thread that he hates the stupid little arrows that appear next to every title in list view that just do the same thing as right clicking... maybe somebody was thinking about a way to call up that menu when there IS no right click?
I was at the Apple Store yesterday and was really impressed with the mini. The look,thinness and weight was just perfect. Even my wife was impressed. I found the screen better than my iPad2 but obviously no where near the quality of the iPad 4. What you have in the mini is a glimpse of what the next full size iPad might be. Apple has a major hit with the mini.
Unfortunately, it's not the first time one of Steve's strongest beliefs (or at least public statement, if not personal belief) turned out to be wrong. See the one-button mouse. Fortunately, in the past decade, him being wrong has been mercifully rare.
Steve was probably right on target at that point in time, considering the technology that was available for volume production back then. Technology changes quickly, what was not possible or practical then at X price for Y features in just a matter of 2-3 years becomes not only feasible but desirable. Today's dreams becoming tomorrow's products happens rather quickly these days.
Mini is a new form factor for the IPAD and is only just available. The 9.7 IPAD form factor has been around for a while and has sold many. It's hardly surprising that mini will outsell 9.7 IPAD this quarter.
In the long-run, will mini continue to outsell 9.7 IPAD? It really depends on how Apple refine each form factor. The ideal device would be one with portability and as big as a retina screen possible.
Perhaps a smaller iPad was the "perfect size" all along.
I'd say it was the cheaper price and lighter weight that was "perfect all along". It's the iPod nano all over again. People willing to sacrifice just a little for cheaper, more portable.
Unfortunately, it's not the first time one of Steve's strongest beliefs (or at least public statement, if not personal belief) turned out to be wrong. See the one-button mouse. Fortunately, in the past decade, him being wrong has been mercifully rare.
Disagree. The iPad was designed as a device to rival the netbooks and low performance, ultra portable notebook computers, and produce a user experience that was so much more portable, personal and intimate, yet extremely functional...that cold perform tasks every bit as well as a laptop of that class. And they knocked it out of the park.
The iPad mini, was designed to be similar in experience to the original, iPad. But with a focus on even more portability and a fairly string emphasis on entertainment, just watch the 2010 January keynote and compare it to this past September keynote and you'll see a pretty sharp difference in how each is marketed and designed.
My point is, Steve wasn't wrong when he said a 7" tablet is DOA because he might have been suggesting a 7" tablet [from anyone but Apple] is DOA...which, unless you copy the iPad (***roid) it just won't work. Not to mention the ipad mini is really more an 8" than 7" tablet.
My second point is referring to my above statements. If you try to make a 8" tablet that can function like a laptop, it's DitW. But if you design it for its size and purpose, it can be a huge hit.
At first, Apple had a very solid concept for the iPad, to take-on the Netbook craze. But it was the users that made the iPad into the massive entertainment device it is today, and that shift in mindset is clearly how Apple revised its strategy for the mini.
I can't say I'm keen on that. Thumb typing on glass with the iPhone is one thing, especially considering the cramped smartphone keyboards that came before, but replacing a real keyboard just to use an entire lighted display to type just seems like a waste to me. It's even worse tradeoffs than the Surface has.
And how would you support it as a notebook? A "kickstand" like the Surface or a hinge? In either case there are engineering issues that will add thickness, cost and complexity without actually giving you a good notebook experience. Even a netbook starts to look good then.
Forget about the keyboard. That form factor is perfect for stylus. It's like electronic Planner that is also an e-book reader. In essence, Courier coming to life Apple-style.
It doesn't make sense to you because you lack courage and vision. It makes perfect sense to me and to millions other people who buy 5 inch and bigger phones right now. I didn't and I will not buy the current iPhone 5, but I would probably have bought it if it had a 5 inch display. I just don't care about operating the phone with one hand. The benefits of a much bigger display are overwhelming for me. Apple could just launch both a 4 inch and a 5 inch iPhone. Yes, two more sizes, so what? The developers who want to make money I'm sure they will modify their apps and make them as many sizes as needed. I know I would. Let the successful developer who would not modify his app for a 5 inch display raise his hand!
Apparently the 17" MBP was a niche product though. I use my 15" MBP as a presentation unit for one-on-one and small groups. For getting work done I can see the light weight and smaller size MBA being a better choice on the road, and I love my 27" iMac for displaying multiple pages of documents. A 24" iPad would be my choice for a portable display unit for presentations if the weight didn't get out of control.
I think it's essential to consider how a person intends to USE any device. There are times when the device is creating content and times when it is being used to present content (and I'm not talking about entertainment necessarily). There are times when one is working in an office and times when one is creating content on the road. Size, weight, costs, and utility are all variable considerations they each person values differently due to their unique situations.
I was a little surprised by the removal of the 17". I think they didn't want to come up with a retina design for it. Other oems still make them. They often provide a high margin product, especially in specialized use cases such as gaming notebooks or mobile workstations. Apple doesn't really make an equivalent to either of these, as they don't do purpose built hardware. If the 17" was a niche item, it was likely due to high price and lack of differentiation. It was a general purpose machine with a high price and little differentiation from the 15" outside of real estate. During the powerbook era the most powerful hardware was coupled with the form factor. I forgot the 17" maintained the express card slot, but Apple didn't get a lot of card options there after it disappeared from the 15". I don't blame those companies. Express cards don't carry huge margins, so development costs may be difficult to recoup on a small market. I don't even know how they profit off some of those sub $50 esata cards.
Now imagine how many iPhones with 5 inch screens will Apple sell if they only have the courage to launch such a phone!
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That makes no sense, at all
I usually agree with you Phil, but not on this.
I want a phone with a 5"-ish screen for myself.
Tonight my wife told me that she wants the same phone our daughter has because it has a bigger screen making it easier to txt and play games.
The proliferation of big-screen phones I've seen on the train in the last three months tells me that LOTS of people want them and are BUYING them.
It's true that I may not be able to reach all the way across the screen with my thumb. Fortunately, I have two hands, and so do all those people who are using and apparently enjoying them.
As possible evidence of slacking demand for the larger iPad, Walmart is dropping the price for the Wi-fi 4th Gen to an attractive $399. I'd imagine that should bump up the sales a bit.
Note too that the iPhone5 is getting a big slash in price, down to $127. Seems a little early to see heavy discounting on the most recent model tho, Perhaps the rumors of another iPhone model announcement in just a couple of months have some validity.
Actually, the discounts only apply to the older iPad models, not the new one -- no real surprise there.
The big price slash on the iPhone5 is also not the first time this has happened; Walmart was discounting them on pre-order back in September. And the actual size of the discount really depends on the price of the two year contract that you HAVE to take out with the phone. I expect that Wal-Mart is seeing a cut of that.
And I suspect that Wal-Mart probably isn't the go-to place for your typical Apple iPhone customer.
It doesn't make sense to you because you lack courage and vision.
Why is it the 'give me five inches or give me death' brigade are always foaming at the mouth? It's very simple: Apple doesn't want to make a big-screen phone (for whatever reason); there are plenty of other companies that do; if having a big screen on your phone is the most important thing to you then just buy another phone.
The proliferation of big-screen phones I've seen on the train in the last three months tells me that LOTS of people want them and are BUYING them.
No. It tells you that everyone else is too lazy to do any real research into design to miniaturize their parts. It tells you that Android is too uselessly power hungry, forcing phones to have larger batteries, forcing them to be larger.
I was skeptical about the mini. I have an original iPad nad I don't care for the weight or heat of the new iPads.
What heat? My iPad "3" barely gets warm. It's stone cold compared to standard laptops. And it's not noticeably warmer than my original iPad that it replaced.
Tonight my wife told me that she wants the same phone our daughter has because it has a bigger screen making it easier to txt and play games.
The proliferation of big-screen phones I've seen on the train in the last three months tells me that LOTS of people want them and are BUYING them.
It's true that I may not be able to reach all the way across the screen with my thumb. Fortunately, I have two hands, and so do all those people who are using and apparently enjoying them.
Like I said, TEHO
If 5" is wanted, will a 6" or 7" also be great to you (all)? How about an iPad mini? Although that is not an 8" in that sense of measurement, because of the smaller bezel at the sides compared to the competition.
No. It tells you that everyone else is too lazy to do any real research into design to miniaturize their parts. It tells you that Android is too uselessly power hungry, forcing phones to have larger batteries, forcing them to be larger.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
What a PERFECT way to further help the transition to a fully multitouch desktop OS!
It's becoming more and more obvious that Apple shares your vision of multitouch computing. Look at the changes to the UI in iTunes 11 and tell me it wasn't designed to accommodate being operated on a touchscreen. Someone even mentioned in another thread that he hates the stupid little arrows that appear next to every title in list view that just do the same thing as right clicking... maybe somebody was thinking about a way to call up that menu when there IS no right click?
Originally Posted by v5v
It's becoming more and more obvious that Apple shares your vision of multitouch computing.
Oh, no. I'm always wrong. Apple must have some other tricks up their sleeve.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak
Unfortunately, it's not the first time one of Steve's strongest beliefs (or at least public statement, if not personal belief) turned out to be wrong. See the one-button mouse. Fortunately, in the past decade, him being wrong has been mercifully rare.
Steve was probably right on target at that point in time, considering the technology that was available for volume production back then. Technology changes quickly, what was not possible or practical then at X price for Y features in just a matter of 2-3 years becomes not only feasible but desirable. Today's dreams becoming tomorrow's products happens rather quickly these days.
Mini is a new form factor for the IPAD and is only just available. The 9.7 IPAD form factor has been around for a while and has sold many. It's hardly surprising that mini will outsell 9.7 IPAD this quarter.
In the long-run, will mini continue to outsell 9.7 IPAD? It really depends on how Apple refine each form factor. The ideal device would be one with portability and as big as a retina screen possible.
The iPad mini, was designed to be similar in experience to the original, iPad. But with a focus on even more portability and a fairly string emphasis on entertainment, just watch the 2010 January keynote and compare it to this past September keynote and you'll see a pretty sharp difference in how each is marketed and designed.
My point is, Steve wasn't wrong when he said a 7" tablet is DOA because he might have been suggesting a 7" tablet [from anyone but Apple] is DOA...which, unless you copy the iPad (***roid) it just won't work. Not to mention the ipad mini is really more an 8" than 7" tablet.
My second point is referring to my above statements. If you try to make a 8" tablet that can function like a laptop, it's DitW. But if you design it for its size and purpose, it can be a huge hit.
At first, Apple had a very solid concept for the iPad, to take-on the Netbook craze. But it was the users that made the iPad into the massive entertainment device it is today, and that shift in mindset is clearly how Apple revised its strategy for the mini.
Now imagine how many iPhones with 5 inch screens will Apple sell if they only have the courage to launch such a phone!
That makes no sense, at all
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Forget about the keyboard. That form factor is perfect for stylus. It's like electronic Planner that is also an e-book reader. In essence, Courier coming to life Apple-style.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That makes no sense, at all
It doesn't make sense to you because you lack courage and vision. It makes perfect sense to me and to millions other people who buy 5 inch and bigger phones right now. I didn't and I will not buy the current iPhone 5, but I would probably have bought it if it had a 5 inch display. I just don't care about operating the phone with one hand. The benefits of a much bigger display are overwhelming for me. Apple could just launch both a 4 inch and a 5 inch iPhone. Yes, two more sizes, so what? The developers who want to make money I'm sure they will modify their apps and make them as many sizes as needed. I know I would. Let the successful developer who would not modify his app for a 5 inch display raise his hand!
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
Apparently the 17" MBP was a niche product though. I use my 15" MBP as a presentation unit for one-on-one and small groups. For getting work done I can see the light weight and smaller size MBA being a better choice on the road, and I love my 27" iMac for displaying multiple pages of documents. A 24" iPad would be my choice for a portable display unit for presentations if the weight didn't get out of control.
I think it's essential to consider how a person intends to USE any device. There are times when the device is creating content and times when it is being used to present content (and I'm not talking about entertainment necessarily). There are times when one is working in an office and times when one is creating content on the road. Size, weight, costs, and utility are all variable considerations they each person values differently due to their unique situations.
I was a little surprised by the removal of the 17". I think they didn't want to come up with a retina design for it. Other oems still make them. They often provide a high margin product, especially in specialized use cases such as gaming notebooks or mobile workstations. Apple doesn't really make an equivalent to either of these, as they don't do purpose built hardware. If the 17" was a niche item, it was likely due to high price and lack of differentiation. It was a general purpose machine with a high price and little differentiation from the 15" outside of real estate. During the powerbook era the most powerful hardware was coupled with the form factor. I forgot the 17" maintained the express card slot, but Apple didn't get a lot of card options there after it disappeared from the 15". I don't blame those companies. Express cards don't carry huge margins, so development costs may be difficult to recoup on a small market. I don't even know how they profit off some of those sub $50 esata cards.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Now imagine how many iPhones with 5 inch screens will Apple sell if they only have the courage to launch such a phone!
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That makes no sense, at all
I usually agree with you Phil, but not on this.
I want a phone with a 5"-ish screen for myself.
Tonight my wife told me that she wants the same phone our daughter has because it has a bigger screen making it easier to txt and play games.
The proliferation of big-screen phones I've seen on the train in the last three months tells me that LOTS of people want them and are BUYING them.
It's true that I may not be able to reach all the way across the screen with my thumb. Fortunately, I have two hands, and so do all those people who are using and apparently enjoying them.
If IPAD mini can happen, I won't be surprised if Apple designs and sell a larger iphone in future.
We have several sizes of Ipod, now we have 2 sizes for the tablets, I don't see why we won't have more than 1 iphone form factor.
Whatever the management believes at any one time, the marketplace and consumers change and good management will adapt to the customers.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
As possible evidence of slacking demand for the larger iPad, Walmart is dropping the price for the Wi-fi 4th Gen to an attractive $399. I'd imagine that should bump up the sales a bit.
Note too that the iPhone5 is getting a big slash in price, down to $127. Seems a little early to see heavy discounting on the most recent model tho, Perhaps the rumors of another iPhone model announcement in just a couple of months have some validity.
Actually, the discounts only apply to the older iPad models, not the new one -- no real surprise there.
The big price slash on the iPhone5 is also not the first time this has happened; Walmart was discounting them on pre-order back in September. And the actual size of the discount really depends on the price of the two year contract that you HAVE to take out with the phone. I expect that Wal-Mart is seeing a cut of that.
And I suspect that Wal-Mart probably isn't the go-to place for your typical Apple iPhone customer.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
It doesn't make sense to you because you lack courage and vision.
Why is it the 'give me five inches or give me death' brigade are always foaming at the mouth? It's very simple: Apple doesn't want to make a big-screen phone (for whatever reason); there are plenty of other companies that do; if having a big screen on your phone is the most important thing to you then just buy another phone.
Originally Posted by v5v
The proliferation of big-screen phones I've seen on the train in the last three months tells me that LOTS of people want them and are BUYING them.
No. It tells you that everyone else is too lazy to do any real research into design to miniaturize their parts. It tells you that Android is too uselessly power hungry, forcing phones to have larger batteries, forcing them to be larger.
What heat? My iPad "3" barely gets warm. It's stone cold compared to standard laptops. And it's not noticeably warmer than my original iPad that it replaced.
Like Apple, you mean?
Most of them being cheaper has nothing to do with their choice?
TEHO
The market agrees with you! (colors are difficult to discern though)
Like I said, TEHO
If 5" is wanted, will a 6" or 7" also be great to you (all)? How about an iPad mini? Although that is not an 8" in that sense of measurement, because of the smaller bezel at the sides compared to the competition.
Ooh, these are good points. Well founded.