Apple falls short of expectations with $7.7B in profit on sales of 35.2M iPhones, 13.3M iPads

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  • Reply 41 of 178
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    One consideration is that people do not upgrade iPads as frequently as iPhones -- I've read where people upgrade their iPads on a 2-3 year cycle.

    We have iPad 1s, an iPad 2, an iPad 3, an iPad 4, and an iPad Mini. (several iPads have been broken, repaired, re-broken).

    I never bought an iPad Air, but I suspect I'll by a new iPad for me and a new iPad Mini for my daughter.

    The grandkids will get the push downs.
    I wonder how long it will take for this to normalize where we no longer see these YOY declines.
  • Reply 42 of 178

    So Apple didn't beat the analysts predictions, but how did it do relative to it's own guidance from the previous quarterly report?

  • Reply 43 of 178
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    yojimbo007 wrote: »
    .... And why would u be so naive to think that is not a real possibility?

    The fact is the headline is false and puts a negative twist on facts.
    Apple beat profit expectation
    Apple beat margin expectations..
    Apple grew double digits yoy
    Apple broke All time records !

    You are confusing guidance with expectations again.
  • Reply 44 of 178
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    So Apple didn't beat the analysts predictions, but how did it do relative to it's own guidance from the previous quarterly report?

    Spot on.
  • Reply 45 of 178
    IMO
    The rumor of a phablet coming out by the end of this year or beginning of next year is going to hurt the iPad. Some people just waiting to see what size it is and if they can get away with one device rather then paying for two.
  • Reply 46 of 178
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    magman1979 wrote: »
    Gotta love AppleInsider (should be renamed to WallStreetAnalsider)... Apple met or beat their own guidance, which TIME AND TIME AGAIN Tim Cook has said is what the Wall Scum anal-ysts should be following, yet the headline implies doom and gloom because Apple didn't meet the out-of-their-asses expectations of Wall Street scum.

    WHAT A JOKE!
    The bigger problem with the headline is that apple exceeded earning expectations and margin expectations.. Not just guidance but expectations.
  • Reply 47 of 178
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    asdasd wrote: »
    Spot on.
    Wrong
    Apple beat profit Expectation
    And apple beat margin expectations!
  • Reply 48 of 178
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Every quarter we hear the same thing when the stock drops...weak guidance. What exactly is Wall Street expecting the quarter before a huge product launch (or two)?

    Well, it depends when the product ships.

     

    Apple's Q4 ends on Saturday 27 September. If Apple ships the next-gen iPhone on Friday the 19th, that's eight days of sales from a handful of markets. If it ships on the 26th, that's about two days of sales. Analysts are likely hoping for an earlier release of the iPhone which is why street estimates of Q4 revenue at $40.6B are slightly outside of the $37-40B guidance provided at Apple.

     

    Of course, we don't know of Apple's product development deadlines, but we do know that the new iOS release precedes the hardware release by at least a few days. From there one can make some reasonably intelligent guesses.

     

    iOS 8 was unveiled on Monday 2 June at WWDC. If Apple has a fourteen week development schedule, that means iOS 8 Golden Master would be ready on Monday 8 September, a fifteen week cycle would place it on the 15th of the month. 

     

    The other mitigating factor would be the production ramp of the new handset by Apple's manufacturing partners. If there are supply (typically main silicon or a new display) or yield issues (from a radically new process), an extra week to accumulate more inventory for the initial launch would be advantageous to Apple, at the expense of recording revenue for the quarter in question.

  • Reply 49 of 178
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    asdasd wrote: »
    I wonder about tablets. I have my iPhone all the time. My laptop for work and home. The iPad tends to be in the corner. My sister loves hers though. I wonder is it really the post-PC era.

    I've been thinking the same. Personally I don't think they're the PC replacements some were thinking. I see them as a supplemental device rather than something I'd be happy using all the time. Since the category is no longer new and therefor "cool", and they may no longer be widely perceived as preferable to a typical laptop I'm not particularly surprised that sales might be slowing.
  • Reply 50 of 178
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Perhaps, sell into enterprise by taking an established company as a strategic partner?
    I'm not convinced that's going to be a huge driver of iPad sales. Doesn't really solve the consumer side of the equation though.

    On the earnings call, Tim just said that the 100 apps that Apple and IBM are writing for enterprise are written in Swift.

    I did some research into what mobile solutions IBM is currently offering to enterprise -- not much! Mostly browser access to web sites, and a few native apps (mostly iOS, but a few Android).


    P.S. They announced a reduction in channel inventory in anticipation of new product announcements..
  • Reply 51 of 178
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    On the earnings call, Tim just said that the 100 apps that Apple and IBM are writing for enterprise are written in Swift.

    I did some research into what mobile solutions IBM is currently offering to enterprise -- not much! Mostly browser access to web sites, and a few native apps (mostly iOS, but a few Android).
    I thought that was interesting too. After the IBM announcement I saw a lot of "meh" comments from some quarters because they don't think IBM is good at designing apps. But with what Cook said it makes me believe Apple is very involved in the design of these apps.
  • Reply 52 of 178
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,293member
    mpantone wrote: »
    Apple exceeded some street estimates (EPS, profit, gross margin) but fell short on others (unit sales for some product lines, total revenue) so really a mixed bag regarding Q3, but nothing really out of line.

    It's the weak Q4 guidance that's troubling the market. Analyst consensus was for Q4 guidance of $40.6 billion in revenue, however Apple is low-balling it by saying $37-40B. That might be interpreted as Apple shipping the next-gen iPhone in late September or possibly slipping into October.

    A tardy release of the iPhone could easily account for $2-3 billion in missed revenue in Q4.
    Anal-ysts are the LAST people that should be trusted, and this has been proven so many times now I've lost count!

    Apple has lower Q4 guidance because people know a new iPhone is coming out, and it's the natural progression of the market that sales will slow as a result of consumers holding off their purchases due to the anticipation of a newer model.

    THIS HAPPENS EVER YEAR PEOPLE!!!
  • Reply 53 of 178
    ksecksec Posts: 1,569member
    Quote:


     

    • A tax rate of 26.1 percent



     

    That is a lot. Do Apple actually pay that much? Compared to other tech company which only pays a single digit.

  • Reply 55 of 178
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    rogifan wrote: »
    One consideration is that people do not upgrade iPads as frequently as iPhones -- I've read where people upgrade their iPads on a 2-3 year cycle.

    We have iPad 1s, an iPad 2, an iPad 3, an iPad 4, and an iPad Mini. (several iPads have been broken, repaired, re-broken).

    I never bought an iPad Air, but I suspect I'll by a new iPad for me and a new iPad Mini for my daughter.

    The grandkids will get the push downs.
    I wonder how long it will take for this to normalize where we no longer see these YOY declines.

    I suspect that this year's new iPad will be significantly improved -- and that will start a new cycle -- removing the iPad 2 from the product line.
  • Reply 56 of 178
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    Oh my, Apple didn't meet the outside Apple market guesses on their business.
    Yes, that should be doom and gloom!

    But I'm very happy, the iPhone, Mac and even the iPad sales surprised me at their strength.
    Personally I know PC users who got an iPhone, then an iPad, then recently a Mac. They've become total switchers; sorry MS, BB, SS and the others!

    Now we know how off the mark the market insiders are.
    Avoid them and make your own investment decisions, else you will lose even worse than they do.
  • Reply 57 of 178
    oneof52oneof52 Posts: 113member
    Every news alert service that I subscribe to had a positive headline, but AI.
  • Reply 58 of 178
    ceek74ceek74 Posts: 324member
    Woe. Another record quarter, another record disappointment.
  • Reply 59 of 178
    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    Can anyone explain why it has dropped for two quarters in a row?


     

    If I were to guess then I'd say that more and more people tried the two screen experience and then decided that their phone was enough. More reason for Apple to get a larger screen phone in the market place.

     

    Those that want a large screen tablet are becoming fewer and quite a few consumers are choosing things like the cheaper Kindle Fire which is taking away from sales that are dwindling in the first place.

  • Reply 60 of 178
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post



    The iPad figures are worrying however. ( iPhone did well).



    Projections look like they may not release the new phones this quarter or very late in it.

     

    You must be a real hoot at parties. Can you say Debbie Downer. Great quarter and YOU find something to worried about. What, exactly, is worrying you about tablet sales when the entire tablet market has slowed? I just don’t get people like yourself. And what ‘projections’ are you babbling about? There have been no projections of anything other than hearsay and rumors.

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